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[Haruko]

 

[Ensirius]

I'm not even convinced that the party was the initial target. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they had something else planned (which looks pretty damn obvious to me regardless), but he got pissed at the one guy at work during that party again and said f' it, lets just start this here and now.

That's what I thought when info started coming out.

Why are we debating this as not being a terror attack when they are clearly radicalized daesh?

 

[anaron]

So not sure if posted but this is a picture of the two suspects


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rnia-rampage-a-mystery-for-police-family.html

Just to think they appear so normal and nice and happy and to be capable of such awful.

Fucking sociopaths.

 

[benjipwns]

A christmas party full of disabled people

It was a end of the year party for the county government workers (of which he was one) that was held at a facility that also features a location of some sort for disabled people.

The party was not, to my knowledge, one for or full of disabled people.

 

[Calamari41]

That's what I thought when info started coming out.

Why are we debating this as not being a terror attack when they are clearly radicalized daesh?

Because some people have some kind of vested interest in this not ending up to have been a terrorist attack and are fighting reality to the bitter end.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Just a random theory: They were in communication with some radical cell or another and whoever they communicated with never really had much confidence in them. Perhaps they were promised means of escape or additional orders after the initial attack. Dude on the other end was like "yo, they actually did that shit?" and either didn't pickup the phone anymore or didn't have much to offer--which is why they just drove around stupidly after.

 

[benjipwns]

Just a random theory: They were in communication with some radical cell or another and whoever they communicated with never really had much confidence in them. Perhaps they were promised means of escape or additional orders after the initial attack. Dude on the other end was like "yo, they actually did that shit?" and either didn't pickup the phone anymore or didn't have much to offer--which is why they just drove around stupidly after.

Maybe it was an FBI/NSA undercover op.

 

[D4Danger]

Just a random theory: They were in communication with some radical cell or another and whoever they communicated with never really had much confidence in them. Perhaps they were promised means of escape or additional orders after the initial attack. Dude on the other end was like "yo, they actually did that shit?" and either didn't pickup the phone anymore or didn't have much to offer--which is why they just drove around stupidly after.

probably not the best idea to post stuff you've just made up

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Just a random theory: They were in communication with some radical cell or another and whoever they communicated with never really had much confidence in them. Perhaps they were promised means of escape or additional orders after the initial attack. Dude on the other end was like "yo, they actually did that shit?" and either didn't pickup the phone anymore or didn't have much to offer--which is why they just drove around stupidly after.

I doubt it. The FBI doesn't seem to be going after other people or detained anyone else and phone calls would be pretty easy to trace. Cells are usually uncovered pretty easily once they find the members and search their history.

Enforcement officials are also claiming to news that this was more along self radicalization and sympathizers rather than a terror cell.

 

[Future PhaZe]

probably not the best idea to post stuff you've just made up

is this a discussion thread or an OP containing hard facts?

just bouncing ideas around about what happened like everyone else

I doubt it. The FBI doesn't seem to be going after other people or detained anyone else and phone calls would be pretty easy to trace. Cells are usually uncovered pretty easily once they find the members and search their history.

agreed, but I doubt they'd divulge that information to us if they had it

 

[Mii]

So not sure if posted but this is a picture of the two suspects

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rnia-rampage-a-mystery-for-police-family.html

How sure are we that is Malik? That is a ton of skin showing for someone who typically would wear a niqab, according to most accounts.

The lady above is wearing something more akin to a sari. The below is what I would be expecting given how people talk about how she dressed:

 

[Kurtofan]

So not sure if posted but this is a picture of the two suspects


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rnia-rampage-a-mystery-for-police-family.html

Isn't that a sari.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

You still have to have the police regularly "inspecting" every house to make sure there's no illegal purchases.

That's not going to happen, but legal purchases of ammunition that exceed 50 rounds should be subject to inspection. Also, I would suggest mandatory registration to gun ranges, participation in activities in controlled environments. So if your purchases exceed 50 rounds then you have a justifiable reason for it. Then the ATF, FBI and local law enforcement has data that can be monitored.

Why do I feel like some laws has been changed that I don't know of. Didn't the ATF at one point have capability to monitor gun and ammunition purchases?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

nevermind, I was talking about the wrong person.

 

[TheRealTalker]

How sure are we that is Malik? That is a ton of skin showing for someone who typically would wear a niqab, according to most accounts.

Isn't that a sari.

She is Pakistani

Born in Pakistan.... moved to SA 25 years ago..... went back to Pakistan for Medical School 5 years ago

 

[Smellycat]

How sure are we that is Malik? That is a ton of skin showing for someone who typically would wear a niqab, according to most accounts.

The Twitter handle says "suspect" so maybe it was only a picture of Malik

 

[coleco]

It was a end of the year party for the county government workers (of which he was one) that was held at a facility that also features a location of some sort for disabled people.

The party was not, to my knowledge, one for or full of disabled people.

You could be right, doesn't change a thing: easy target the attackers knew of and that would be full of people. According to the media 'at least 14 people are killed in a shooting at a disability centre's Christmas party', 'disabled people's centre', 'social services center ... provide services for thousands of people with disabilities', etc, and looking at the pictures released of the party previous to the attack there were quite a few wheel chairs.

 

[shanafan]

Man what's up with Obama administration? First he said ISIS is contained and then next day Paris attacks happen. Then he says US is safe and now we have these attacks.

He thought Bin Laden was the only terrorist to worry about.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

So not sure if posted but this is a picture of the two suspects


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rnia-rampage-a-mystery-for-police-family.html

Doesn't look 27 to me, they both look they would be in there 40's.

 

[PSYGN]

How sure are we that is Malik? That is a ton of skin showing for someone who typically would wear a niqab, according to most accounts.

If it's a family gathering for a special occasion like wedding, they don't really cover up. That's only for when being in the view of strangers.

 

[Mii]

She is Pakistani

Born in Pakistan.... moved to SA 25 years ago..... went back to Pakistan for Medical School 5 years ago

All public accounts of her I have heard from reporters talking to acquaintances of Syed have said Tashfeen wore a niqab. If that really is her, it would suggest she also went through some severe radicalization. I would gamble it is not her though.

Possibly also a family event, but whatever they're at seems to be some event center.

 

[TheRealTalker]

All public accounts of her I have heard from reporters talking to acquaintances of Syed have said Tashfeen wore a niqab. If that really is her, it would suggest she also went through some severe radicalization. I would gamble it is not her though.

Her wearing stuff like that in a Ceremony isn't shocking

likely family gathering.... maybe even the weeding

but still that is her

EDIT: apparently the press was using his brothers photos

 

[bigmf]

That picture doesn't even look like him.

 

[kittoo]

So not sure if posted but this is a picture of the two suspects


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rnia-rampage-a-mystery-for-police-family.html

She is wearing a saree in this pic.
Will give bad name to Indians. Not many people know that saree is not middle-eastern/Muslim dress but rather Indian/Hindu dress.

 

[Bandit1]

I'm not even convinced that the party was the initial target. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they had something else planned (which looks pretty damn obvious to me regardless), but he got pissed at the one guy at work during that party again and said f' it, lets just start this here and now.

I agree. Looks pretty obvious that they had planned to do multiple attacks with the bombs and that much ammo.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

He thought Bin Laden was the only terrorist to worry about.

This is, so far, being treated by officials as self-radicalization and inspired by other groups rather than organizational. That's pretty different from the coordinated and organized attacks of Paris.

It's also something that experts would repeatedly tell people is insanely more difficult to detect and stop. Boston boming, the Chattanooga shooting, Fort Hood shooting, were similar.

 

[Lan Dong Mik]

So not sure if posted but this is a picture of the two suspects


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rnia-rampage-a-mystery-for-police-family.html

I saw this picture earlier and read that this is actually a picture of the murderers brother and his wife.

 

[ReAxion]

This is, so far, being treated by officials as self-radicalization and inspired by other groups rather than organizational. That's pretty different from the coordinated and organized attacks of Paris.

It's also something that experts would repeatedly tell people is insanely more difficult to detect and stop. Boston boming, the Chattanooga shooting, Fort Hood shooting, were similar.

So far it reads that way to me too. ISIS is all like "who? oh! yes. they're ours. all three of those shooters are us."

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

So far it reads that way to me too. ISIS is all like "who? oh! yes. they're ours. all three of those shooters are us."

Ahh yes those three brave lions...I mean two! Actually there were three, you haven't caught him or her yet!

 

[davepoobond]

You could be right, doesn't change a thing: easy target the attackers knew of and that would be full of people. According to the media 'at least 14 people are killed in a shooting at a disability centre's Christmas party', 'disabled people's centre', 'social services center ... provide services for thousands of people with disabilities', etc, and looking at the pictures released of the party previous to the attack there were quite a few wheel chairs.

i think the nuance here is that he worked with the people he shot.

it is different from a normal lone wolf/terrorist attack. it is like a hybridized version of your American mass shooting and a terrorist attack. it shouldn't be stigmatized to call it what it is. it can be workplace violence and also a terrorist attack.

 

[anaron]

She is wearing a saree in this pic.
Will give bad name to Indians. Not many people know that saree is not middle-eastern/Muslim dress but rather Indian/Hindu dress.

yeah I was wondering why she was wearing one.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

i think the nuance here is that he worked with the people he shot.

it is different from a normal lone wolf/terrorist attack. it is like a hybridized version of your American mass shooting and a terrorist attack. it shouldn't be stigmatized to call it what it is. it can be workplace violence and also a terrorist attack.

The building housed up to 700 people at a time for a lot of different functions. Including the party this public health office was using it for.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Doesn't look 27 to me, they both look they would be in there 40's.

Wild guess, you're a teenager?

 

[TheRealTalker]

That picture doesn't even look like him.

EDIT: apparently the press was using his brothers photos

All photos are his brother except the mugshot photo

 

[Anion]

I've noticed lots of these types of people go from the far secular extreme to the far terrorism extreme. Kinda really odd

 

[ElTorro]

i think the nuance here is that he worked with the people he shot.

it is different from a normal lone wolf/terrorist attack. it is like a hybridized version of your American mass shooting and a terrorist attack. it shouldn't be stigmatized to call it what it is. it can be workplace violence and also a terrorist attack.

Yeah, it's a weird story. The suspects have obviously been motivated by Jihadism. But a party with your workplace colleagues seems to be a weird opportunity to shed blood, especially your own, when Jihadism is all that motivates you. You would have expected them to target a larger event, like the Paris terrorists did.

Maybe they were just plain stupid and reacted to some insult that he got at work. It's not the first case of Jihadist terrorism where a lone wolf starts a shooting in a relatively random places like a super market. Or they had plans to move to a bigger target afterwards and failed for whatever reason.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

hmmm you could be right since this pic is also floating around but not from that new site

I am guessing this is his bro


While this is the suspect

Are they twins?

 

[rjinaz]

Wild guess, you're a teenager?

haha seriously. They could easily be high 20s early 30s. I know 30 year olds that look like they could pass for 40-45. Balding and wrinklish skin.

 

[davepoobond]

Yeah, it's a weird story. The suspects have obviously been motivated by Jihadism. But a party with your workplace colleagues seems to be a weird opportunity to shed blood, especially your own, when Jihadism is all that motivates you. You would have expected them to target a larger event, like the Paris terrorists did.

Maybe they were just plain stupid and reacted to some insult that he got at work. It's not the first case of Jihadist terrorism where a lone wolf starts a shooting in a relatively random places like a super market. Or they had plans to move to a bigger target afterwards and failed for whatever reason.

well, apparently now the motivation is about the disagreement about whether or not Islam is a peaceful religion -- which the response was to shoot the person he had a disagreement with. seems like there has to be something more there, but this story is just going down a black hole of stupidity so i guess that's going to really be what it is

The building housed up to 700 people at a time for a lot of different functions. Including the party this public health office was using it for.

yeah, but they didnt stay there and keep at it, they fled. which isn't a usual thing that happens.

 

[PSYGN]

yeah I was wondering why she was wearing one.

Pakistan is next to India. It's a common thing for married women to wear at family function iirc.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Are they twins?

the party photo is also on Pakistani news outlets


while another Pakistani article has the other photo
http://pakistanheadlines.com/
maybe both are the suspect

EDIT: apparently the press was using his brothers photos

 

[eBay Huckster]

You can't let everyone do whatever they want under the hope that they won't do anything wrong.

I mean, that's one way to go about things, sure.

Though that sentence now applies to the perpetrators' apartment more than it applies to any "watch list".

 

[ElTorro]

yeah, but they didnt stay there and keep at it, they fled. which isn't a usual thing that happens.

It's also possible that, after gunning down tens of people and seeing all the horror that comes with that, they realized that they just had made a big mistake.

 

[kaiju]

hmmm you could be right since this pic is also floating around but not from that new site

I am guessing this is his bro


While this is the suspect


His wife though indeed went back to Pakistan (5 years ago) for Medical school apparently and she is Pakistani born
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...stan-idUSKBN0TN1YX20151204?utm_source=twitter

LOL you posted a picture of the same guy, which is his BROTHER.

http://dailym.ai/1IsqB27

None of the pictures you guys have been posting the last few posts is actually of Syed. It's his brother, who is actually a U.S. navy veteran who was depolyed to afghanistan where he was awarded for his acts. The media circus nightmare continues.

 

[TheRealTalker]

LOL you posted a picture of the same guy, which is his BROTHER.

None of the pictures you guys have been posting the last few posts is actually of Syed. It's his brother, who is actually a U.S. navy veteran who was depolyed to afghanistan where he was awarded for his acts. The media circus nightmare continues.

the selfie pic was a few days back that the press was using

that was also his brothers pic?


does anyone have a pic of the real guy?

 

[kaiju]

the selfie pic was a few days back that the press was using

that was also his brothers pic?


does anyone have a pic of the real guy?

Here is the real guy:

 

[victreeb3l]

LOL you posted a picture of the same guy, which is his BROTHER.

http://dailym.ai/1IsqB27

None of the pictures you guys have been posting the last few posts is actually of Syed. It's his brother, who is actually a U.S. navy veteran who was depolyed to afghanistan where he was awarded for his acts. The media circus nightmare continues.

So people have been posting around his brothers photo? Yikes. good job media.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Here is the real guy:

only that photo?

regardless I have adjusted my posts accordingly (I am sorry)

I see a bunch of photos being used that are apparently his brother then..... man

from the time before the police said that he was a confirmed suspect they were using that selfie pic

 

[Veritigo_X]

So people have been posting around his brothers photo? Yikes. good job media.

The media's been airing whatever random pictures they find in the house. "We can't know for sure if this is the suspect."

 

[GloriousBagel]

Press conference on TV, the FBI still doesn't know whether or not if the shooters had any sort of connections to ISIS or any other terrorist organization.

This shooting is so confusing.