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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia

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PumpkinSpice

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gabbo said:
How far right did you expect him to go exactly?
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Honestly I was expecting Rob Ford minus the crack... and minus the whole being an international embarrassment.

The most recent thing that made me a lot more impressed with him was his support of speed cameras, when even Jim Watson here in Ottawa has been incredibly thickheaded about it.
 
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Silent Chief said:
I read that Trudeau's approval rating is unaffected by the fleeting elbow. It's a bit up actually.
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Don Cherry said it was bullshit, so thats how the rest of Canada rolled on this one.

And I for one agree with old grapes here. This is some NDP bullshit and I'm glad Canada sniffed it out for what it was.
 
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Silent Chief said:
I read that Trudeau's approval rating is unaffected by the fleeting elbow. It's a bit up actually.
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Of course it would be up, only the media thought there was anything to do with this dumb story. It just made everyone else look bad.
 
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Aren't you glad to live in a country where a "major scandal" is an accidental elbow? Great stuff, really. Makes me happy to be Canadian.

Although I am bit sad that Canada only has one competent political party now federally. The Conservatives had relied on Harper's cult-of-personality for nearly their entire existence, while the NDP continues to disappoint.

But seriously though, dat reality show down south has gone from being hilarious to disturbing. Harper, Mulcair and Trudeau all look like beacons of civility and leadership in comparison.
 
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maharg said:
To be completely honest I think he probably has a better shot than most people give him credit for. Arguably a better shot than almost any other candidate for ndp or CPC leadership out there right now, because Trudeau is still seen as an anti-establishment campaigner to some extent and you can't really fight that with establishment.

But realistically no one is going to beat Trudeau in the next election, and I really doubt Mr Wonderful would stick around long enough to try again. He'd leave the CPC a smouldering ruin.

The one caveat is that if trump wins this fall, his chances get much better. It's remarkable how much Canadian politics often seem to mirror American politics if you apply a bit of lag.
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We mirror US politics to a certain extent (i.e. Mulroney came here a little after Reagan was elected, Mike Harris and Ralph Klein rose at the same time as the US went really hard right in the '90s, Harper followed Bush), but I have a hard time seeing Trumpism taking hold on a major level here. Maybe I'm being naive, but we've never had quite the same level of anti-immigrant sentiment here. He may embolden psychotic Ezra Levant-types to be even more overt in their racism and misogyny, but I don't think that'll help the Conservative Party much. Even O'Leary was quick to distance himself from that aspect of Trump -- though calling himself "extremely liberal" definitely won't help him with the Tory base. And on a related note, from Abacus Data: How Would Trump Do In Canada? Really Badly.

The bigger problem for O'Leary, though, is money: our political financing laws make it virtually impossible for someone to come in and self-finance a campaign. Even if he had as much money as he claims to, he could only make a small loan to his campaign that wouldn't even come close to covering the entry fee. He doesn't know anything about fundraising in a Canadian political context, and considering people like Kenney and Bernier have a proven ability to get a lot of money from a lot of donors, that puts him at a huge disadvantage. He's great at self-promotion, but self-promotion doesn't pay to staff and run a national campaign.

I'm eager to see how his speech to the CPC Convention goes this weekend. I think it'll get polite applause, but that'll be the extent of it, and if he tries taking it any further it'll be a Peter Pocklington-level disaster.

Silent Chief said:
I read that Trudeau's approval rating is unaffected by the fleeting elbow. It's a bit up actually.
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And more polling from Abacus Data. Like I said, I think the NDP overplayed their hand, and Canadians generally don't mind leaders who can get a bit chippy. If Trudeau had a reputation as a hothead, it would've played into that, but instead, it gave him a bit of an edge.
 
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Gutter was banned? :(

Half the reason I still go to this thread is to read irrational hatred towards Mulcair. It's a sad day.
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Mulcair heard someone was on to his secret plan to collect a pension he's already eligible for to pay for his 10th house's 18th mortgage and decided to pull some strings.
 
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mo60 said:
Wynne went to the Alberta Legislature yesterday and the Wildrose ridiculed her. It was mostly Fildebrandt that was doing it, but half of the Wildrose members did not applaud her when she was introduced to the house during question period.Fildebrant also shouted at the Premier when she was trying to answer a question and asked why was Brad Wall not invited to the legislature.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...by-opposition-wildrose-in-alberta-legislature
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This is our opposition? :(
 
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Stumpokapow

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mo60 said:
Wynne went to the Alberta Legislature yesterday and the Wildrose ridiculed her. It was mostly Fildebrandt that was doing it, but half of the Wildrose members did not applaud her when she was introduced to the house during question period.Fildebrant also shouted at the Premier when she was trying to answer a question and asked why was Brad Wall not invited to the legislature.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...by-opposition-wildrose-in-alberta-legislature
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cool, canada's only trump voter
 
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SRG01 said:
Y'know, after reading some internet comments today, I honestly would not be surprised if half of Alberta would vote for Trump.
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Only 26% actually. But it probably goes to 75% among angry internet commenters.

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39% of the CPC voters. That's a nice base for O'Leary.
 
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diaspora said:
Of course marriage equality came up at the tory convention. Of course it did.
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The motion to remove their opposition to it narrowly made it out of initial voting, to be discussed at their full convention tomorrow. The fact it's still in there now, after they had nearly a decade to do anything about it, is insane. Also a sign of how little official platforms really matter. But mainly insane.

Also insane: these screenshots from MPs onstage at the CPC Convention.

Arnold Viersen rapping:
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Marilyn Gladu as the Grim Reaper for some reason:
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Conservatives are weird.


EDIT: THERE'S VIDEO OF THE RAP!

It's every bit as awful as you'd imagine.
 
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matthewwhatever said:
The motion to remove their opposition to it narrowly made it out of initial voting, to be discussed at their full convention tomorrow. The fact it's still in there now, after they had nearly a decade to do anything about it, is insane. Also a sign of how little official platforms really matter. But mainly insane.

Also insane: these screenshots from MPs onstage at the CPC Convention.

Arnold Viersen rapping:


Marilyn Gladu as the Grim Reaper for some reason:


Conservatives are weird.


EDIT: THERE'S VIDEO OF THE RAP!

It's every bit as awful as you'd imagine.
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Conservative rap is as lame as I thought it would be. Someone should get Angry Tom or Nice Hair Trudeau to drop a diss track.
 
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fallout

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matthewwhatever said:
The motion to remove their opposition to it narrowly made it out of initial voting, to be discussed at their full convention tomorrow. The fact it's still in there now, after they had nearly a decade to do anything about it, is insane. Also a sign of how little official platforms really matter. But mainly insane.
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This disconnect is so weird to me that I find it hard to describe. We're talking about two human beings that love each other and want that to be recognized in the same way that it's recognized for everyone else. Somehow this is contentious. And that contention is why I'll probably never vote conservative. To be clear, there are other reasons why I wouldn't, but it's hard to even consider your platform when something so basic is still an issue.
 
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fallout said:
This disconnect is so weird to me that I find it hard to describe. We're talking about two human beings that love each other and want that to be recognized in the same way that it's recognized for everyone else. Somehow this is contentious. And that contention is why I'll probably never vote conservative. To be clear, there are other reasons why I wouldn't, but it's hard to even consider your platform when something so basic is still an issue.
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It's contentious because the Western-Reform-slash-Social-Conservative wing of the party holds considerable way within the party, as well as being touted as the stronger 'wing'.

The problem is that a lot of conservative movements double-down on their conservative ideals when threatened, like with the last election or with the Tea Party in the states.

If by chance it does get stricken (struck?) out, then there may be a mass exodus from the party much like the abandoning of Social Credit.
 
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Pedrito said:
Only 26% actually. But it probably goes to 75% among angry internet commenters.

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39% of the CPC voters. That's a nice base for O'Leary.
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Bububut I thought Quebec was full of racist xenophobic people!
 
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Apathy said:
The Stephen Harper hashtag goes horribly bad (or hilariously good depending on who you ask) on social media


http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trending/conservative-party-hashtag-sarcastic-tweets-1.3602851

And of course the cons lied about a surplus before the elections.


http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/b...showing-liberals-inheriting-2-billion-deficit
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I really don't like this new trend of writing news stories about what is being said by random people on twitter. It's such cheap "journalism" and it's really easy to cherry pick tweets to build a narrative one way or the other. It's the kind of shit you constantly see on Russia today. I would expect better from the CBC.
 
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Pedrito said:
I really don't like this new trend of writing news stories about what is being said by random people on twitter. It's such cheap "journalism" and it's really easy to cherry pick tweets to build a narrative one way or the other. It's the kind of shit you constantly see on Russia today. I would expect better from the CBC.
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ThankyouStephenHarper for gutting the CBC might have a lot to do with it.
 
Silent Chief

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The Conservative voted against allowing Ambrose to run for leadership.

I don't understand why they even had that vote.
If Ambrose doesn't want to run there's not reason to have that vote and if she does want to run that's an incredible amount of duplicity. That would have been even worse than Peter MacKay's merging the PC with the CA after pledging not to do so.
 
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So Rona Ambrose made a "joke" at the CPC convention about Justin Trudeau being Canada's first female PM. I can think of at least three levels on which that's stupidly offensive.
 
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matthewwhatever said:
So Rona Ambrose made a "joke" at the CPC convention about Justin Trudeau being Canada's first female PM. I can think of at least three levels on which that's stupidly offensive.
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I don't know why, but that comment annoys me because the Conservatives (alright, PC at the time) basically burned the title of Canada's First Female Prime minister by sending Kim Campbell in as Mulroney's sacrificial lamb after he essentially killed the party
 
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Apathy said:
The Stephen Harper hashtag goes horribly bad (or hilariously good depending on who you ask) on social media


http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trending/conservative-party-hashtag-sarcastic-tweets-1.3602851
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Laura B's tweet resonates with me haha.

killer rin said:
I don't know why, but that comment annoys me because the Conservatives (alright, PC at the time) basically burned the title of Canada's First Female Prime minister by sending Kim Campbell in as Mulroney's sacrificial lamb after he essentially killed the party
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Yeah, it's misleading bullshit as well as being offensive.
 
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Beginning of the end of electoral reform?

Electoral reform must have public support: Liberal minister Monsef

WINNIPEG—The Liberals will abandon their plans to overhaul Canada’s electoral system if they don’t have widespread public support, Minister Maryam Monsef says.

But Monsef said it’s up for debate how exactly the Liberals will gauge public support on whatever new system they propose.

“Frankly, that’s the debate. And we will not proceed with any changes without the broad buy-in of the people of this country,” Monsef told the Star at her party’s policy convention in Winnipeg Saturday.

“It means that there needs to be a conversation in the House of Commons including all parties. It’s an opportunity for us to engage in debate about how to move forward in the 21st century.”

“So Canadians can rest assured that unless we have their broad buy-in, we’re not moving forward with any changes,” Monsef later added.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pledged that 2015 would be Canada’s last election under first-past-the-post, a system that has governed Canadian elections since the country was formed.

Critics of the so-called winner-take-all system say it skews the will of voters, allowing majority governments to be formed without a majority of the popular vote. It could also lead to strategic voting, where voters sacrifice their personal preference to try and defeat a government.

The Liberals have faced criticism for failing to move quicker on the file, since Elections Canada needs years to prepare for a new voting system in 2019. Seven months after the Liberals formed government, a committee still has not been struck.

Monsef faced further criticism for proposing a committee where the Liberals would have the final say on any proposed system. When asked if she needs the support of at least one other party for the new system to have legitimacy, Monsef said the Liberals will continue to listen to Canadians.

“Did you hear what the prime minister said today at convention? That we were elected to listen to Canadians?” Monsef said. “And we’ll continue to do that. As far as any changes around democratic reform, we’re not going to proceed with any changes unless we have broad support.”

Speaking to reporters earlier on Saturday, Trudeau was asked if the Liberals will need the support of at least one other party for their new electoral system to be legitimate in the eyes of Canadians.

“We’ve been working very, very hard to demonstrate that our approach is to listen to Canadians, to consult with Canadians, as we talk about the values that underpin our electoral process and ultimately our system of government,” Trudeau told reporters. “So how we make sure that we’re including questions and concerns people may have about various options is integral to be being successful in improving our electoral system.”

Monsef told the Star that there are people within the Liberal party, both elected and not, who would prefer to see the first-past-the-post system maintained.

After all, the Liberals won a large majority government in 2015 with just under 40 per cent of the popular vote, as the Conservatives did in 2011.

“We’re a diverse party. You saw in (the convention) — we have people from all walks of life, representing the diversity of this country,” said Monsef. “So it’s natural to have, within this group, a wide range of opinion. And I think that’s what makes our party strong.”

The New Democrats’ democratic reform critic, Nathan Cullen, said the lingering confusion about how the Liberals are handling the file are contributing to fears a new system would disproportionately benefit government.

“Until we have a concrete understanding of how this is going to work, and how (Monsef) can calm the fears that the Liberals will simply force through a system that favours Liberals, until we have something real, then that suspicion will remain,” Cullen said.

“The words are nice, but the numbers (on the committee) don’t lie.”

Conservative critic Scott Reid could not immediately be reached. The Conservatives appear to support the status quo, but have demanded that any fundamental change to Canada’s voting system requires a national referendum. The Liberals have resisted that call, saying referendums aren’t the only way to test the will of Canadians, but have not explicitly ruled out a national vote.

The New Democrats have long called for a form of proportional representation, which they argue would better reflect the will of voters. But Cullen has recently said that any improvement on the current system would be welcome.

Cullen also proposed a committee structure that would require at least one other party to support the Liberals’ proposal, an approach ultimately rejected by the Liberals, who say the committee has to reflect the current membership elected under first-past-the-post, despite wanting to ultimately change the system.
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