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[Hazzuh]

https://twitter.com/STJamesl/status/747813824447791105

Labour MPs vote no confidence in Corbyn 172 to 40

This was partially inspired by his incompetent campaigning for Remain in the EU referendum which led to suggestions of "deliberate sabotage"

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-...-remain-boris-craig-oliver-jim-messina-obama/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".
One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".
A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.
The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says: "What is going on here?" Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.

If you want Corbyn to leave, please let your MP know!

 

[ferrasvansen]

Good, hopefully he takes a hint, but somehow i doubt comrade Corbyn will.

 

[Aki-at]

The annoying thing is he's already claimed he'll stand again to be Labour leader and will just win again whilst the party continues to self destruct.

 

[Khoryos]

Probably going to be cancelling my membership, then.

Unless they manage to find an actual left-winger to lead, which I strongly doubt.

 

[Uzzy]

I want to see how annoyed they get when Corbyn wins the leadership election.

 

[Arksy]

I'm still delirious atm, this isn't an actual leadership spill is it?

 

[Zafir]

Not surprising.

He should have just stepped down. They need someone who can unify the party, and Corbyn wasn't that. Especially after his questionable Remain campaign.

I'm not sure who will run who can unify the party though is the problem.

 

[Bleepey]

I am not surprised his refusal to work with Cameron for the remain vote was bafflingly stupid.

 

[kadotsu]

As someone who couldn't correct obvious lies from the other side should.

 

[Madchad]

My old man was a Labour party member for decades through thick and thin and has decided to leave because of this useless git. I doubt he will return to it who ever takes over the reigns the party is a poisoned chalice.

 

[Uzzy]

I am not surprised his refusal to work with Cameron for the remain vote was bafflingly stupid.

There is no way a Labour campaign based on protecting workers rights would work when placed alongside the people who want to strip away workers rights.

 

[BadHand]

How many of those 172 had no confidence from the day he was elected leader?

 

[Meadows]

He's useless. I'm a centerist, but we need a strong voice from the left.

 

[Hazzuh]

There is no way a Labour campaign based on protecting workers rights would work when placed alongside the people who want to strip away workers rights.

His heroes, Benn and Foot shared a platform with Enoch "Rivers of blood" Powell in the 1975 EEC referendum.

 

[Uzzy]

His heroes, Benn and Foot shared a platform with Enoch "Rivers of blood" Powell in the 1975 EEC referendum.

And how did that campaign go again?

 

[HazySaiyan]

The annoying thing is he's already claimed he'll stand again to be Labour leader and will just win again whilst the party continues to self destruct.

Labour's looking less like a political party and more like a cult.

 

[CitizenVectron]

So now the question is, does Labour have anyone who can actually unify the party and win an election, even without Scotland voting for them?

 

[TheCrackInTime]

Labour's looking less like a political party and more like a cult.

Watching some of his supporters on BBC News, you'd be forgiven for thinking that.

 

[kirblar]

Good.

 

[kmag]

I want to see how annoyed they get when Corbyn wins the leadership election.

And I can't wait when the PLP is under 200 MP's which is almost certainly the result of a continued Corbyn leadership. Oh the activists love him, voters not so much.

He's made absolutely no impact with voters, for everyone from the left who's stopped voting for the people workers party of ideological purity to come back to the fold, they've lost from the centre. It isn't a PR system, under FPTP you can't have a main party which is ideologically narrow.

 

[Jezbollah]

95% turnout.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Does this or does this not lead to Emperor Palpatine. Just boil it down for me.

 

[SMG]

Probably going to be cancelling my membership, then.

Unless they manage to find an actual left-winger to lead, which I strongly doubt.

Sad to see Labour deciding to self implode at a critical moment as always. And as you say it isn't comfortable being a socialist party anymore, too many years of being Thatcher lite.

 

[Sasie]

Would someone mind explaining what effects this will have to those of us who are not British. Seems he can still stay/run even after losing this vote? It's somewhat confusing from a curious observers point of view.

I'm not taking sides but it almost looks like the voters/party members have a very different desire/perspective from their elected MPs.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

So being American, my only knowledge about Votes of No Confidence comes from The Phantom Menace. Does this mean Corbyn is out?

 

[RedShift]

Going to be joining Labour to vote against him.

I expect he'll win though, at which point I'll probably join the Lib Dems.

 

[JonathanEx]

I find the fact he'll try and stand in the leadership election remarkable. His job is to lead the party. He clearly is unable to do that. It was sure, difficult with the odds stacked against him, but when you have all these resignations, the no confidence vote... what the fuck is he expecting to happen?! Who will he lead, and how? Maybe they'll deselect 172 labour MPs? Yeah that'll help.

 

[GHG]

Not enough byebitch.gifs in the world to sum up how I feel about this guy.

If people want to blame somebody for how Brexit turned out look no further.

 

[Aki-at]

Sad to see Labour deciding to self implode at a critical moment as always. And as you say it isn't comfortable being a socialist party anymore, too many years of being Thatcher lite.

I think at this point it's better for us being run by Thatcher lite than full on Thatcher.

That's the predicament we find ourselves in and it's only going to get worse as the Tories remain unchallenged in their continued governing of this country.

 

[Jezbollah]

Would someone mind explaining what effects this will have to those of us who are not British? Seems he can still stay/run even after losing this vote and it's somewhat confusing from a curious observers point of view.

I'm not taking sides but it almost looks like the voters/party members have a very different desire/perspective from their elected MPs.

This is a non-binding motion, but it will likely mean that Corbyn has a period of time (perhaps overnight) to consider his position.

Essentially today's vote just said "80% of us don't think you're the guy".

Corbyn can either resign (which he probably wont by all indications) or that tomorrow there will be an official leadership challenge.

Indications say that talks have begun between the two likely challengers, Angela Eagle and current deputy Tom Watson. and they will decide overnight who will be the person to challenge him

After this, both MPs must have enough votes from their MPs to be placed upon the Leadership ballot. if Corbyn gets enough MP votes for the ballot it's likely that the Labour party members will vote him in as leader again. If that happens, Labour are toast.

 

[CelticKnight]

Jeremy Corbyn, the marzipan dildo of the Labour party.

I like the guy, he's Labour, but he's not a leader of this Labour party. Time to move on, methinks.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

So being American, my only knowledge about Votes of No Confidence comes from The Phantom Menace. Does this mean Corbyn is out?

I'm saying! If there's going to be an army of clones, the people need to know.

 

[Hazzuh]

So being American, my only knowledge about Votes of No Confidence comes from The Phantom Menace. Does this mean Corbyn is out?

In ordinary times, with an ordinary leader he would resign and that would be that. In 1989 Thatcher resigned after getting 204 votes out of 372 Tory MPs. Corbyn is too vain and self indulgent to do that so there will not be a leadership election. It isn't clear if Corbyn has the right to appear on the ballot (he doesn't have sufficient MP support) but he probably will be. Only if he loses the leadership election will he actually be "out".

 

[WhateverItTakes]

So now the question is, does Labour have anyone who can actually unify the party and win an election, even without Scotland voting for them?

Labour are gonna have to cut a deal with the SNP if they want power. No way around it. The SNP pretty much own Scotland now, and Labour can't make up those lost numbers in the other regions. All the other parties can do is take numbers off the Tories at this point to form a new coalition.

 

[a.wd]

Now watch all those dickheads look bemused as once again the public vote him in, because he actually represents them.

not a career politician, not looking to play bullshit games, actually giving a rats ass about the people of the UK.

And yet people will slate him because:

1) He's no leader
2) He can't hold the party together
3) He is a commie sympathiser
4) blah blah blah

Whatever, good luck Corbyn, it seems this country wants to eat itself.

 

[Hazzuh]

Now watch all those dickheads look bemused as once again the public vote him in, because he actually represents them.

not a career politician, not looking to play bullshit games, actually giving a rats ass about the people of the UK.

And yet people will slate him because:

1) He's no leader
2) He can't hold the party together
3) He is a commie sympathiser
4) blah blah blah

Whatever, good luck Corbyn, it seems this country wants to eat itself.

A third of people who voted Labour in 2015 said they wouldn't vote for Labour under Corbyn, who exactly does he represent?

 

[kmag]

So now the question is, does Labour have anyone who can actually unify the party and win an election, even without Scotland voting for them?

Probably not. But they could probably push it to a hung parliament if they united behind someone like Dan Jarvis for a couple of years. Any ideologically pure candidate from the left can't carry the centre or vice versa, Jarvis is from the right of the party (and he's not someone I'd go for in ideal circumstances) but he's personable, looks and carries himself like a potential Prime Minister and has a compelling personal story. He could get them close to power albeit in coalition. He's also got the bonus of not actually being over ideological and since he's only been an MP since 2010 he's not been involved in most of the bruising scrapes in the party.

 

[a.wd]

A third of people who voted Labour in 2015 said they wouldn't vote for Labour under Corbyn, who exactly does he represent?

The other 2 thirds. Democracy.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Want an absolute waste of time electing him.

 

[LordRaptor]

smh at people thinking Corbyn didn't do enough to back David Cameron as a reason to get rid.

 

[Tenebrous]

Not enough byebitch.gifs in the world to sum up how I feel about this guy.

If people want to blame somebody for how Brexit turned out look no further.

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All Corbyn needed was that little bit of American bite ala Bernie. Really sad we're losing him...

 

[JonathanEx]

Now watch all those dickheads look bemused as once again the public vote him in, because he actually represents them.

While he definitely has sway with the members (and to be fair he did win last time even excluding the £3 members, IIRC) - they are a subsection of the general public, not representative and that doesn't necessarily translate to electoral appeal and success.

 

[Trumpets]

This is what happens when you elect the unelectable.

 

[Dougald]

I know a few Labour members who happily voted for him last year, all have expressed that due to the referendum they will definitely not be voting him back in

This is what happens when you elect the unelectable.

Pretty much. When the country is going right, you don't go as far left as possible. I don't like Blair but he's right that Labour need to go to the centre to attract voters

 

[kmag]

This is a non-binding motion, but it will likely mean that Corbyn has a period of time (perhaps overnight) to consider his position.

Essentially today's vote just said "80% of us don't think you're the guy".

Corbyn can either resign (which he probably wont by all indications) or that tomorrow there will be an official leadership challenge.

Indications say that talks have begun between the two likely challengers, Angela Eagle and current deputy Tom Watson. and they will decide overnight who will be the person to challenge him

After this, both MPs must have enough votes from their MPs to be placed upon the Leadership ballot. if Corbyn gets enough MP votes for the ballot it's likely that the Labour party members will vote him in as leader again. If that happens, Labour are toast.

They're going nowhere under Tom Watson or Angela Eagle, neither of them are viable future Prime Ministers, and Watson is the press's number one target to a degree it's actually beyond politics it's personal hatred.

 

[Hazzuh]

The other 2 thirds. Democracy.

I guess you're happy with the Labour party never winning 200+ seats in the house of commons ever again? The point of political parties is to win elections. Corbyn can't do that, no one is even pretending he can at this point.

 

[CelticKnight]

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All Corbyn needed was that little bit of American bite ala Bernie. Really sad we're losing him...

I thought the "Labour Heartlands" voted overwhelmingly to Leave?

 

[VendettaRed07]

He wasn't able to put aside his ego, and campaign with Cameron to keep the UK in the EU. He had the chance to try and unite Labour and Conservative on this issue and didn't do it. He should step down after how horribly he handled such a major issue.

 

[kmag]

smh at people thinking Corbyn didn't do enough to back David Cameron as a reason to get rid.

He didn't do enough to back his own fucking parties policy. He's meant to be the fucking leader. Either lead and get them to change the policy or put your back into it. He's a fucking disaster who hasn't managed to actually move the polls towards Labour in the face of a dysfunctional largely disliked Tory Government which has been tearing itself to pieces over Europe.

 

[maquiladora]

Labour needs an electable leader.