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[Fourth Storm]

NX to have no RAM! Everyone panic!

Spoiler

The actual discussion in the tweets is super cool.

Download textures from a server at runtime?! This is sounding crazy!

 

[Graphics Horse]

NX to have no RAM! Everyone panic!

Spoiler

The actual discussion in the tweets is super cool.

Assuming NX it implies multiple resolution support in software, right? Which could mean a whole bunch of different things.
For an unlikely example, Nintendo could mandate all software can be demonstrated via pc as ’4k ready' even if a 4k system is a few years down the line. This could have a bigger effect on games based around 2D art like his.

 

[KingSnake]

There's nothing stopping Nintendo from launching a NX console on a similar architecture later even if they first launch a hybrid.

I'm not sure about Nintendo marketing's capacity of handling more SKUs at once.

 

[Squall5042]

There's nothing stopping Nintendo from launching a NX console on a similar architecture later even if they first launch a hybrid.

I'm not sure about Nintendo marketing's capacity of handling more SKUs at once.

NoA's marketing has been a bit better lately, at least...in my opinion

 

[MikeE21286]

Emily Rogers recent posts are that its a home console which will be great for those that love portable gaming.

Also that the specs fit within the realm of what is possible with that sort of hardware.

I hope so. My gaming time has been forced to move more and more to mobile, and iOS just doesn't do it for me.

Sounds like it could be for me

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

There's nothing stopping Nintendo from launching a NX console on a similar architecture later even if they first launch a hybrid.

I'm not sure about Nintendo marketing's capacity of handling more SKUs at once.

What was that ad they had couple months ago.. only way to play or some shit?

 

[orioto]

There's nothing stopping Nintendo from launching a NX console on a similar architecture later even if they first launch a hybrid.

I'm not sure about Nintendo marketing's capacity of handling more SKUs at once.

Any kind of hybrid, compatible ecosystem etc.. concept won't be good marketing wise, if we're talking about a strong, simple idea that moms can appreciate. it's none of that.

 

[MuchoMalo]

I can think of two scenarios that make sense based on the rumors coming from Emily (dubious as they may be) and from the WSJ info that suddenly seems more on the money than it was assumed at the time.

1. NX is primarily a portable gaming machine that reverses what Nintendo attempted do with the Wii U. Instead of having a dumb terminal controller that displays items from the console, you have a cloud connected streaming device attached to your television with minimal processing power that makes your HD capable portable machine a home console while you're stationary.

2. The NX is a more traditional home console that pivots the Wii U concept in a different direction by changing the form factor and processing capabilities of the Gamepad to make it a device that can stream your games or natively play companion apps on the go.

I could get behind either one if the software support was there.

It's certainly #1, which means that it'll only get handheld third-party support for the most part. I'm expecting western support that makes Wii U look good.

I wonder if the platform he mentions is NX: https://twitter.com/HenryHoffman/status/757866161979715584

Probably. If it's Tegra as rumored, it could be limited to as little as 3GB of RAM.

Everything is falling into place. It's time to accept that Nintendo has left the console market.

 

[KingSnake]

What was that ad they had couple months ago.. only way to play or some shit?

There's no play like it.

 

[blu]

Assuming NX it implies multiple resolution support in software, right? Which could mean a whole bunch of different things.
For an unlikely example, Nintendo could mandate all software can be demonstrated via pc as ’4k ready' even if a 4k system is a few years down the line.

Tsk tsk tsk.

Rosti, the sooner we get those minutiae the better, man.

 

[BY2K]

Probably. If it's Tegra as rumored, it could be limited to as little as 3GB of RAM.

Everything is falling into place. It's time to accept that Nintendo has left the console market.

This is some major league conclusion jumping right there.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

It's certainly #1, which means that it'll only get handheld third-party support for the most part. I'm expecting western support that makes Wii U look good.



Probably. If it's Tegra as rumored, it could be limited to as little as 3GB of RAM.

Everything is falling into place. It's time to accept that Nintendo has left the console market.

Malo you gotta chill.. jesus lol

 

[E-phonk]

This is some major league conclusion jumping right there.

Ofcourse, it's muchomalo.
Jumps to more weird conclusions than mario has hit 1up blocks in his entire career.

 

[maxcriden]

No, Philips said that's what Aonuma straight up told him.

I said this last night and was told by a couple posters who seem more knowledgeable about it than me that despite his originally saying that, he later recanted and said it was his own speculation.

 

[KingSnake]

Any kind of hybrid, compatible ecosystem etc.. concept won't be good marketing wise, if we're talking about a strong, simple idea that moms can appreciate. it's none of that.

It's not that difficult of a concept. You can connect you handheld to the TV and can play also with your friends/family. The favourite type of ad for Nintendo.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Tsk tsk tsk.

Rosti, the sooner we get those minutiae the better, man.

I knew you'd love that!

 

[Father_Brain]

For one thing, a hybrid *would* explain why so many of the rumors have talked about it as though it's a single platform.

I just assumed it wasn't because, y'know, Iwata said it wasn't.

 

[MuchoMalo]

This is some major league conclusion jumping right there.

Malo you gotta chill.. jesus lol

Ofcourse, it's muchomalo.
Jumps to more weird conclusions than mario has hit 1up blocks in his entire career.

What other platform could he be talking about? If it's Tegra, it can only use one LPDDR4 chip, which means 6GB max, and with ~25 GB/s bandwidth. I'm not "jumping" to anything; I'm just using the information available to me. Most rumors not from 10k or SMD64 are pointing to a hybrid handheld. I'm not going to believe in fairy tales about a console coming later, either.

It's not that difficult of a concept. You can connect you handheld to the TV and can play also with your friends/family. The favourite type of ad for Nintendo.

540p or 720p upscaled to to 4k for the masses!

This is gonna be the next Virtual Boy. Or DreamCast. VirtualCast.

 

[ASIS]

For one thing, a hybrid *would* explain why so many of the rumors have talked about it as though it's a single platform.

I just assumed it wasn't because, y'know, Iwata said it wasn't.

Eh. People talk about PS4 Neo and Scorpio as though they are a single platform. People have done the same about Project Cafe.

This generally leads people to assume that there is, in fact, a single platform. I'm not sure why the NX is suddenly deemed as a hybrid.

 

[BY2K]

What other platform could he be talking about? If it's Tegra, it can only use one LPDDR4 chip, which means 6GB max, and with ~25 GB/s bandwidth. I'm not "jumping" to anything; I'm just using the information available to me. Most rumors not from 10k or SMD64 are pointing to a hybrid handheld. I'm not going to believe in fairy tales about a console coming later, either.

They're not just gonna stick a Tegra in there, if that's really what it is. It's gonna be custom if anything and who knows what that entails.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

What other platform could he be talking about? If it's Tegra, it can only use one LPDDR4 chip, which means 6GB max, and with ~25 GB/s bandwidth. I'm not "jumping" to anything; I'm just using the information available to me. Most rumors not from 10k or SMD64 are pointing to a hybrid handheld. I'm not going to believe in fairy tales about a console coming later, either.



540p or 720p upscaled to to 4k for the masses!

This is gonna be the next Virtual Boy. Or DreamCast. VirtualCast.

Just cause you make a hybrid handheld dont mean you abandon the living room. Thats what the SCD is for!

 

[MuchoMalo]

They're not just gonna stick a Tegra in there, if that's really what it is. It's gonna be custom if anything and who knows what that entails.

It's not really possible to increase the bus width much in a handheld, and really there'd be no need to. The Nvidia Shield TV gets along fine with those specs, and NX is most likely going to be weaker than that if it's a handheld.

Just cause you make a hybrid handheld dont mean you abandon the living room. Thats what the SCD is for!

The SCD isn't going to work. The tech for anything more than a small 10-20% boost doesn't exist today, and even that would add a shitton of latency. You can have hhandheld,. or you can have current gen power. There's way to have both without having two completely separate devices. Also, what would be the point of the SCD? It would be as expensive as a console anyway, since it would need all of the power of a console in order to perform like one.

 

[Maxrunner]

Everything is falling into place. It's time to accept that Nintendo has left the console market.

Your name actually describes this post. Pretty bad lil

 

[Matbtz]

Everything is falling into place. It's time to accept that Nintendo has left the console market.

What other platform could he be talking about? If it's Tegra, it can only use one LPDDR4 chip, which means 6GB max, and with ~25 GB/s bandwidth. I'm not "jumping" to anything; I'm just using the information available to me. Most rumors not from 10k or SMD64 are pointing to a hybrid handheld. I'm not going to believe in fairy tales about a console coming later, either.

540p or 720p upscaled to to 4k for the masses!

This is gonna be the next Virtual Boy. Or DreamCast. VirtualCast.

Hmm yeah right ! You could also believe Iwata and such that have said (multiple times) it will not be an hybrid...

 

[E-phonk]

What other platform could he be talking about? If it's Tegra, it can only use one LPDDR4 chip, which means 6GB max, and with ~25 GB/s bandwidth.

Yes you are jumping. They won't just stick a tegra in there, regardless if they go with nvidia or not. So stop stating random things as facts.

 

[AmyS]

The Nvidia Shield TV gets along fine with those specs, and NX is most likely going to be weaker than that if it's a handheld.

Nvidia Shield TV / Tegra X1 will be almost 2 years old once NX is released.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Yes you are jumping. They won't just stick a tegra in there, regardless if they go with nvidia or not. So stop stating random things as facts.

Why would they need more than 6GB in a handheld?

Nvidia Shield TV / Tegra X1 will be almost 2 years old once NX is released.

That doesn't change anything about what I said,. mainly due to the fact that TSMC hasn't introduced a physically smaller process since then (20nm and 16nmFF actually have the same transistor size and density.) A handheld needs a small SoC, and even X1 is already pushing that. You can't fight physics.

Maybe I should just shut up until an article is posted, though.

 

[Eradicate]

This thread exploded!

I wonder if Nintendo is aware of an imminent leak, and if so, they may take pains to release something (maybe a reveal date) because of that? It's in the air you guys! The Year of NX is upon us!

Ok, I'll do it. Don't worry, Eradicate: by "decent grounds", I meant the correlations between all the announcements. Hopefully, Level 5 won't make me look like a stupid in 2 days.

What have all the NX announcements so far in common?

Answer: they do NOT tell us anything about the graphical's potential of the device.

I hope people click this quote and read your post, because those are good points! They are being pretty careful in regards to power comparisons. I can understand that on their part. I'm really curious as to what sort of properties Level 5 will reveal, or if it will be new things? I love this detective work!

I wonder.

Could the plan for the NX have changed? The recent *hints* (even if doubted by their supplier) make me curious if the system hasn't actually pivoted somewhere. Emily's price/cost analysis is also a new twist on where we were only a few months back.

Sounds bizarre.

I really, really believe they have! At least, some important aspects of the idea while maintaining the original "vision" of what it would be!

I wonder if the platform he mentions is NX: https://twitter.com/HenryHoffman/status/757866161979715584

Oooooh! Cool find!

All these leaks are supposed to happen the same week as Level 5 Vision conference? Who has a slew of games to announce?

Coincidence...?

There are no coincidences! But, while I don't think anything entirely hardware-related may come from them, I'm really think they may reveal something coming to NX! Depending on the property, it could be a clue!

You must have heard of the scrolly shoulder buttons idea! And I'm thinking maybe a touchpad could replace the dpad and right stick, so magnesis would let you swipe up and down to change the distance instead of dpad buttons.

Sure sounds awesome! I strongly think there will be at least one joystick though, for reasons!

I'm going to highlight this and the original nVidia leak. There was word with that leak that Nintendo was getting one hell of a deal from nVidia as the latter wanted to tap the market and gain share into it.

That is one of the few ways I can marry the current information circling (that's been murmuring for a while now) without also attaching some unrealistic and absurd price to this thing that I just cannot imagine after the WiiU/3DS price issues that Nintendo faced. All the same, cheap price for not-cheap-parts would mean cheap parts which doesn't gel with the idea that this thing can handle modern ports (which puts a serious "bottom" on it).

It is very hard to fit this supposed (if not necessary) level of performance in a "hybrid" that is mobile. That'd be either outright magic or some very, very nice deals cut in Nintendo's favor on some high-end chips.



That's likely. If they are entering production I think it becomes unreasonable to expect silence as that starts going to the production facilities. AMD leaked the Scorpio and Neo ages ago, lol.

Someone mentioned the AMD design wins, and this was in the AMD thread that seems to be missed:

There's this…
http://sulon.com/blog/sulon-q-sneak-peek

I'm leaning more and more that this is the last AMD win as it's "beyond gaming" or whatever and that NVIDIA is involved with NX. I'll share in the eating of Dmax3901's cats though if I'm wrong!

I can think of two scenarios that make sense based on the rumors coming from Emily (dubious as they may be) and from the WSJ info that suddenly seems more on the money than it was assumed at the time.

1. NX is primarily a portable gaming machine that reverses what Nintendo attempted do with the Wii U. Instead of having a dumb terminal controller that displays items from the console, you have a cloud connected streaming device attached to your television with minimal processing power that makes your HD capable portable machine a home console while you're stationary.

2. The NX is a more traditional home console that pivots the Wii U concept in a different direction by changing the form factor and processing capabilities of the Gamepad to make it a device that can stream your games or natively play companion apps on the go.

I could get behind either one if the software support was there.

Those both seem like good options to me and I could see them playing with either one!

I'm not convinced that a hybrid that can play Android games as well is a guaranteed bomba, especially if it has a great pricepoint.

Maybe Emily said this today because they're preparing to announce something at the fiscal conference.

The only other "form factor" issue I could see driving up price? A phone.

There were Android rumors quite a while back. Though they said it wasn't the case, again, things have changed rapidly there, and I do think some plans shifted after Iwata. A controlled Android sort of thing (like with Amazon) could be really cool!

 

[Kouriozan]

Uh oh

I feel bad because Nintendo really wanted to keep this thing close to their chest

It's been too long since the announcement and we still know nothing about that console 7 months before it launch.
People are getting impatient, and potential leakers too.

 

[Anarky]

Everything is falling into place. It's time to accept that Nintendo has left the console market.

 

[Kikorin]

Why are you all sure about this huge leak? I've lost something?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Malo do you honestly think Ubisoft is making just dance for a handheld...?

 

[Fourth Storm]

Tsk tsk tsk.

Rosti, the sooner we get those minutiae the better, man.

Any thoughts on what Huenry is talking about, blu? Sounds like he ran out of VRAM trying to use HD assets on the portable version. Downscaling the textures sounds like a natural solution if they've got the CPU cycles. The suggestion to download the textures at runtime sounds bizarre, though. Is that the modern mobile approach?

 

[Peltz]

Hey guys. It's time for my monthly freak out NX post:

"OMFG just reveal it already!"

Thanks, that is all.

 

[thefro]

Back on topic, there's no Q1 briefing

 

[Zombie James]

I wonder if the platform he mentions is NX: https://twitter.com/HenryHoffman/status/757866161979715584

This is this person's current project (according to his profile). If this super secret potential platform is the NX and it has memory issues running this game, it doesn't sound good to me at all. But this is just speculation, he could easily be talking about some other platform.

 

[Subaru]

All this talk about hybrid and stuff remembered me about this:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/2...s-nx-console-is-like-nothing-weve-seen-before

Is it possible to use a portable system (over wi-fi) to make a "cluster"? What about lattency?

 

[MuchoMalo]

Why are you all sure about this huge leak? I've lost something?

Emily Rodgers and NateDrake have apparently heard that we're getting a massive leak confirming the gimmick, form factor, and specs of the NX soon/this week, and from major gaming news sites.

 

[Rösti]

Back on topic, there's no Q1 briefing

As I expected. A news conference on July 27 has not yet been ruled out though. It was in a news conference Nintendo announced NX will release in 2017.

Though a news conference could be what Takashi is referring to, considering he mentioned reporters.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Hey guys. It's time for my monthly freak out NX post:

"OMFG just reveal it already!"

Thanks, that is all.

See you next month!

 

[AmyS]

Back on topic, there's no Q1 briefing

Ahhhh shiit.

Edit: but that doesn't mean there couldn't be leaks, right?

Not getting my hopes up.

 

[Rodin]

This is this person's current project (according to his profile). If this super secret potential platform is the NX and it has memory issues running this game, it doesn't sound good to me at all. But this is just speculation, he could easily be talking about some other platform.

Jonathan Blow "complained" about the PS4/X1 having "only" 8GB of RAM during the development of The Witness.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/06/10/the-witness-blow-confirms-game-currently-uses-5gb-of-ps4-ram/

 

[Throwaway123456789]

As I expected. A news conference on July 27 has not yet been ruled out though. It was in a news conference Nintendo announced NX will release in 2017.

Though a news conference could be what Takashi is referring to, considering he mentioned reporters.

Uh, that's exactly what the Tweet says, that there will be no news conference (briefing).

 

[MuchoMalo]

Jonathan Blow "complained" about the PS4/X1 having "only" 8GB of RAM during the development of The Witness.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/06/10/the-witness-blow-confirms-game-currently-uses-5gb-of-ps4-ram/

Unity needs to die.

 

[Eradicate]

Actually, he also said:

Just guessing guys!

 

[Rösti]

Uh, that's exactly what the Tweet says, that there will be no news conference (briefing).

Sometimes Nintendo has two briefings/conferences/events in conjunction with earnings releases.

News conference

This happens on the day of the earnings release. Intended for reporters.

Tatsumi Kimishima, president of Nintendo Co., right, listens to a question during a news conference at the Osaka Stock Exchange in Osaka, Japan, on Tuesday, Feb. 2, 2016. Nintendo Co. reported a 36 percent fall in third-quarter profit after a lack of hit game titles hurt holiday sales of its Wii U and 3DS hardware and the absence of currency windfalls that boosted the year earlier. Photographer: Buddhika Weerasinghe/Bloomberg via Getty Images *** Local caption *** Tatsumi Kimishima

Financial Results Briefing

This usually happens one day after the earnings release. Intended for institutional investors and securities analysts.

---

These are two separate events. Hence why I find Takashi's wording a bit confusing.

 

[OBias]

Unity needs to die.

The Witness is not using Unity.

 

[Plinko]

If what Emily says is true about a home console great for handheld players, I am all in. I've been wanting this for years, and it will solve Nintendo's drought software drought issues. Let me play at 1080p on the TV and 540p on the handheld for easy scaling.

 

[LewieP]

Unity needs to die.

The Witness does't use Unity.

There are plenty of Unity games that run well on consoles.

People blaming a good engine for poorly optimized games needs to die.

 

[thefro]

Actually, he also said:

Just guessing guys!

He's guessing about "don't expect much". But he knows there's no press briefing as a fact.