KernelPanic
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House Intel Panel hearing on Russian involvement (3/20, 10am ET, livestream)
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This is getting more ridiculous by the minute
That was interesting - it actually makes me suspicious.
Not sure if posted yet.
Nunes must be the sweatiest person in the world nowadays.
The twist is that he's the mole.
Heck even said it in his speech - nothing that comes out of this will somehow make a Democrat President. The fact that Nunes and others are continually harping on the insane idea that Russia hacked voting machines means they are either fucking idiots, trying to deflect the actual investigation, or both.
Not sure if posted yet.
WTF? Is this even possible?
I certainly don't expect Trump to be impeached, but if he were I would hope it could break the confidence of the GOP voter base and force some serious introspection.
He's a Trump stooge at best, and deeply compromised himself at worst.
It is when you consider it your job to try and make Trump look as good as possible.
It's both. I've come to the conclusion with them that it's always both.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
No. they've jumped to the end of the investigation, where collusion is proven. And they're already trying to move the goalposts from "hacking and warping the election" to "If they didn't hack the voting machines then it's just a minor indiscretion."
He just found out through Comey at the hearing that lying to the press isn't a crime.
Haha. Didn't remember that.
Ugh...
I really really wish there was some kind of direct piece of irrefutable evidence that the Trump campaign colluded or cooperated with Russia. If something like that exists, I really hope it comes out. Short of that, I'm not sure we'll see any action. Even if it does, we probably won't see any action (which is depressing as hell), but at least it will taint Trump and his team for the rest of their time in office.
I really really wish there was some kind of direct piece of irrefutable evidence that the Trump campaign colluded or cooperated with Russia. If something like that exists, I really hope it comes out. Short of that, I'm not sure we'll see any action. Even if it does, we probably won't see any action (which is depressing as hell), but at least it will taint Trump and his team for the rest of their time in office.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
So Nunes probably has dirt on him related to this? Or its simply a case of party over country. But either way, the lady doth protest too much.
If any of these investigations turns up good evidence there was collusion there will absolutely be action.
it's not like those dollars would go anywhere but miltar spending
Pence would be worse cause he'd not have the incompetence that Trump brings; executive orders would not be so easily challenged, there would be a better alignment between what the presidency wants and what the congress wants
it'd be a more efficient government, but you actually want the clumsy bad guys, not the efficient ones
Not sure if posted yet.
He shat his pants so much his memory followed.
I guess he has changed to don't say anything, I'm going down mode.
KernelPanic
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Nunes went straight to Trump Tower when the first briefings were held.
He was also on transition team.
Trump is already tainted forever, and actionable evidence won't matter because the GOP controls congress. He could legitimately be impeached if the democrats take over in 2018, but I just want to urge people to keep expectations in check unless and until that happens. Remember, this is the GOP we're talking about.
No, getting rid of Bannon and Miller is absolutely critical. Pence is nothing compared to an administration that includes those two, Bannon especially.
The FBI may already have damning evidence. I doubt they'd come forward to this extent if they didn't. A proper investigation still needs to go through, though.
I'll assume a non-trivial segment of the GOP is compromised in one way or another.
He's also followed WH requests to publicly denounce the Trump/Russia story, which he has done on multiple occasions despite having no evidence one way or another.
He's a WH lapdog and likely is tied into all this with them.
Cesare Borgia
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Pence is better by default because he isn't guilty of treason and is actually qualified to be president unlike Trump. A Pence presidency would be short and likely a disaster due to fallout. We're discussing a hypothetical that has never happened before: a president being removed from office due to treason. That's a disaster of epic proportions and the longer republicans aide Trump, the worse it'll be for them.
Trump and his family too. That would clear a lot up, business ties and opportunists would be severed. I know it's a side issue to a degree but I can't stand them profiting from the Presidency. Still, you can agree it leaves them very open to manipulation etc.
Do former President's wives continue to get secret service protection, just like former Presidents themselves? I would assume so. So that cost would be ongoing?
And if if Trump is removed, but not imprisoned (by being pardoned or resigning), will he not continue to get secret service protection too?
The situation seems unprecedented, so what happens to the security detail is going to be up in the air I think.
Host Samurai
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If Trump is found guilty, how would impeachment even be on the table? Wouldn't he go right to jail? This is high treason. If he can't go to jail than that means the dude can legit murder people or do anything he wants because he has control of the government.
Fenderputty
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How hot does it have to get before people start seeking plea deals?
By the way, you guys remember when Trump was trying to make the case against Hillary that it'd be terrible to have a President that's under FBI investigation constantly?
It's a fake fire with fake smoke and fake heat, so nothing's gonna happen.
It's a fake fire with fake smoke and fake heat, so nothing's gonna happen.
It does matter. If there is real proof they would absolutely have to impeach. There would be no choice at that point
So tried after possible impeachment or out of office?
why not
you just saw them trying to evade the topic, what makes you think they will change this behavior just because there is actual evidence
why are you assuming the gop would behave ethically
Impeached to be removed from office, then tried for treason. Yes.
BoogieWoogie
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Correct, you kick him out and then he can be put on trial.
Tranqueris
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Isn't that only for his actions while in office?
After he is impeached does that change?
I hope his Presidency is so short, the secret service don't need to hang about too long afterwards even though it's their duty. Would be icing on the cake.
YuriLowell
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Exactly the GOP won't vote to impeach him. They aren't ethical.
The entire country (minus the 30% or so of die hard Trumpers, but they're lost anyway) rallying against a traitorous president?
Also the pressure from European allies due to now having evidence.
The GOP will kick trump to the curb as soon as it's too hot and he isn't useful anymore.
assuming the gop won't win in 2020, trump or not
which is a strong assumption
you guys need to start considering the possibility the gop will fix the next elections
Yes, he could be tried after impeachment assuming the Justice department pursues it and he isn't pardoned by his successor.
Is this true? I have a hard time believing the President would be above this depending on the crime committed
Cesare Borgia
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If Trump is removed from office/goes to prison for treason republicans won't win in 2020. Pence wouldn't be able to overcome that baggage.
But what republican would run against him? It's basically going to be Trump v Democrats.
It's way too early to tell of course because lots can happen between now and then, but Trump's historically low favorability would like to have a word with him.
Zeus Molecules
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They barely won this one and that was when Hillary was the one under investigation. If anything the crowds at the townhalls have the majority of them shook..... and this Trump stuff isn't helping their cause
For the purposes of succession, yes, but I think theoretically if the president shot someone unprovoked in front of a cop he might get arrested. He would then probably be impeached asap to allow proper succession. It hasn't really happened before so it's kind of unprecedented to say exactly what would happen. With the current Russian treason scenario yes impeachment would happen before there would be any charges.
Straight from the Constitution (edit: okay, wikipedia technically). And impeachment doesn't do anything by itself except send the matter to the Senate for a trial for removal, which requires a 2/3 majority. Then, if convicted, the official is removed from office and can stand trial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
Dubbedinenglish
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He would have to be removed through the process of impeachment, then the Senate decides on removal from office.
After removal he then would face charges.
BoogieWoogie
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Nunes apparently co-owns a wine vineyard with a Russian extremely close to Putin.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire GOP is compromised.
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