This thread is a riot.
I used to beat the "reviewer played it wrong" drum and there's still a few I'd fight to the death about today (IGN God Hand), but this is embarassing.
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Angry Joe Destiny 2 Review
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This thread is a riot.
I used to beat the "reviewer played it wrong" drum and there's still a few I'd fight to the death about today (IGN God Hand), but this is embarassing.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Alrighty then. I think I've seen enough.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Holy shit at some of the vicious posts in this thread. People just disparaging his opinion cause he didn't finish the raid or put in ___ amount of hours into the game.
Now I can understand why Shinobi left GAF. It's just the reverse happening here.
Now I can understand why Shinobi left GAF. It's just the reverse happening here.
PapaGreg95
Member
No, just... no
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
I know right?
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Can't stand Angry baby Joe and his ugly leather jacket. I review you angry Joe and I you deserve a 5
I agree with some of it, but I've been having a lot of fun with Destiny 2.
Sometimes, though, I wonder if my enjoyment of it comes from 1) Being used to the formula of Destiny 1, and 2) Having my expectations drastically lowered by Destiny 1
I mean, it was great seeing all those cutscenes and cinematics in the campaign, but objectively, the story wasn't anything to write home about. And what's up with the Raid showing up without any proper introduction? Imagine if the campaign had talked more about Calus, and had a cinematic at the end showing the Vanguard picking up its signal and sending you to investigate it.
Some of his other complaint's I didn't think were as on point. The whole exotic duplicate thing isn't anything I've noticed. Yeah, I've gotten duplicates, but they hand exotics out like candy, so it really isn't that big of a deal.
That said, there is definitely still more Destiny 2 could add to make it great, instead of just really good.
Sometimes, though, I wonder if my enjoyment of it comes from 1) Being used to the formula of Destiny 1, and 2) Having my expectations drastically lowered by Destiny 1
I mean, it was great seeing all those cutscenes and cinematics in the campaign, but objectively, the story wasn't anything to write home about. And what's up with the Raid showing up without any proper introduction? Imagine if the campaign had talked more about Calus, and had a cinematic at the end showing the Vanguard picking up its signal and sending you to investigate it.
Some of his other complaint's I didn't think were as on point. The whole exotic duplicate thing isn't anything I've noticed. Yeah, I've gotten duplicates, but they hand exotics out like candy, so it really isn't that big of a deal.
That said, there is definitely still more Destiny 2 could add to make it great, instead of just really good.
Yeah, it's disappointing. Certain kind of games really bring out the worst of this forum.
Why do I have to read immature shit like this on GAF, for example (just the latest post I'm seeing, incidentally) ...
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Are you 12 and frustrated?
Killer Queen
Banned
Just because its an opinion doesn't mean you need to agree with it... his opinion on destiny 2 is a 6 , whereas others might think thats "wrong" and it should be higher such as an 8.
People that say GAF is too Left leaning clearly don't visit the gaming forums much.
DeadOnions
Member
Personal attacks over a review aren't cool and I can only hope some of you are being sarcastic. The constant need of validation from reviews is pathetic. If you enjoy a game a review won't change that and you won't change the review no matter how much whining is done.
For me personally I'm not really enjoying the game as much as I thought I would. I'm not invested in the light system though so maybe the game just isn't for me.
For me personally I'm not really enjoying the game as much as I thought I would. I'm not invested in the light system though so maybe the game just isn't for me.
@ people quoting me
my post was directly related to his opinion on the raid, and now after it's come out that he hasn't even played it, it's even more appropriate. there's nothing wrong with not having finished the raid, or not enjoying the raid, but to not even have tried it and still try to rake it over the coals is a bit ridiculous. again, i can completely understand not liking something or finding it tedious or repetitive but to put forward that opinion without trying it is just mind boggling.
my post was directly related to his opinion on the raid, and now after it's come out that he hasn't even played it, it's even more appropriate. there's nothing wrong with not having finished the raid, or not enjoying the raid, but to not even have tried it and still try to rake it over the coals is a bit ridiculous. again, i can completely understand not liking something or finding it tedious or repetitive but to put forward that opinion without trying it is just mind boggling.
it's funny seeing people hide behind the opinion word when claiming someone else's opinion is wrong
"it's my opinion that his opinion is wrong! are you saying my opinion is wrong???"
Exploratory
Banned
He's a reviewer who makes thousands of dollars doing it. That's probably why he played 40 hrs of one of the biggest games there is.
He should of just took out the raid portion as he hasn't even touched it. No point in reviewing a section of the game when you haven't even touched it.
Sad stuff thinking about that. When people are in the thread attacking people for what they're wearing instead of disagreeing with any points made in the review, you've ventured way off-topic into nonsense territory.
Its a public youtube video review; not everyone is going to agree with his score. What don't you understand about that? His channel is based around reviews.. expect criticism at the end of the day.. esp when you have 2m+ subscribers.
Killer Queen
Banned
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An opinion can't be "wrong". You can disagree with someone elses subjective opinion, but that doesn't make you right and them wrong and arguing otherwise is ridiculous.
If you disagree you disagree, that's fine. But no one is wrong for not liking something as much as you and that's literally what this boils down to, complaining about someone else not liking something as much as you did.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Are you Joe's number one fan? The thread it's about him and the score not about what you think about my post move on
legacyzero
Banned
Wait, you're not going to debate, refute, or counter-point me with sound logic?
Oh... wait--
Oh... yeah you're probably better off not
Right there with you. The game for me is about a 7 now after messing with the raid, but does that mean I won't invest hundreds of hours into it? Nope. I'm season pass committed and love the franchise, but I'm not turning a blind eye to these things that upset me with D2. Why? I would like Bungie to improve on it. They are a massive studio with the capital to give fans what they want as long as we keep bitching to them.
I will say though Destiny 2 didn't take my GOTY spot from Prey. With Evil Within 2 around the corner I imagine it will be a battle between Prey and EW2 for my GOTY. Hell, Destiny 2 doesn't even have my favorite MP of the year which goes to Lawbreakers.
I think you're taking the word "wrong" too seriously. A score can be "wrong" in someones eyes if they see the game differently. It doesn't mean Joe's review of the game is "wrong" it means that the person finds the final score "wrong". Either way, I never said the word wrong. This whole thing started a couple pages back when people quoted a post that said they found the final score "wrong".
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I think Killzone Shadowfall made even the most diehard Killzone fans realize that missteps can happen.
Also it's odd for people to be saying "but what about the raid!" when the raids are a tiny chunk of great content compared to everything else. The argument should be why everything else isn't as well designed as the raids.
Azzurri
Member
It's always amazing how people get so rowdy when a popular YT gives a game polarizing review they don't agree with. I mean who gives a shit if you enjoy it? It's not like it's going to stop you and the other people who enjoy it to stop playing it because he said 'he' didn't like it.
Niceguydan8
Member
That's not his score being wrong, that's the individual's score being different.
Stop using "wrong," it's not the correct word to use. By definition an opinion (which includes an arbitrary score) cannot be "wrong."
Killer Queen
Banned
I don't think you understand what wrong means in the context of an argument based on subjective content.
Either way, it wasn't directed at you in the first place, you yourself jumped into this. No one accused you of doing anything.
SafeinSound
Member
Wait...why are people saying he hasn't even touched the raid when he did? But because he thought it was so poorly designed he refused to push on. He only did one portion, right? I dont play destiny, so I'm genuinely curious how it works.
It'll never cease to amaze me how bent out of shape people get over another persons opinion on their oh so beloved franchise!
It'll never cease to amaze me how bent out of shape people get over another persons opinion on their oh so beloved franchise!
People like you shouldn't be on GAF. I'll leave it at that.
This forum is increasingly becoming a Kindergarten.
R_thanatos
Member
This isn't nor will be the last time for him to insert an opinion from someone he trust in his review , his destiny 1 review has that . It's clear that he is using the opinion from players he trusts and insert in his video.
Doesn't make the critic invalid . Trying to dismiss a critique by saying " but you haven't played it" when he knows people who have played , have accounts from those people and/or has watched it himself is silly.
So now , the minimum for a review is to have played everything ? It's funny since nobody gonna have the receipts
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
It's always amazing people that have an issue discussing things when something is posted to a discussion forum. Are we all supposed to say "yep, I agree" repeatedly, or what's the point of there being a topic about it?
It is the correct word to use though.
Once again it all started with a user posting:
"That doesn't change the fact that I think a 6 is straight up wrong. Personally I'd give the game an 8"
That guy thought a 6 is straight up wrong and I agree with him. Its his opinion and he thinks the final score is wrong and would personally rate it higher. Whats so hard to understand?
If this game was as "well designed" as this raid I would have traded it in and been done with the franchise. This raid is not well designed when compared to past raids having been done so well.
It looks like the footage of the raid isn't him in it apparently and is someone else. So the conclusion people are drawing is he never did it himself or tried it himself. At least that is what I gathered.
Killer Queen
Banned
Then write your own review, what's so hard to understand? Its not your content based on your opinion. Its his, christ.
Interficium
Banned
The "Destiny players are brainwashed" take is really tired, dude.
Uhhh what?
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Commenting on the Raid....hasn't done the Raid...ok then..
I also have to say, I did love his reviews in the deep past: but this intense focus on purely 'value for money' and consumer heroism is so weird to me: gaming costs, it's a hobby, Destiny gives you 100s of hours of gaming...seems like a good deal to me (if you like Destiny though, obviously). This 'give me everything for free/cheap' seems a tad entitled to me.
He is pushing this whole corporate commander thing too far IMO: leave the perceived value to others to percieve a bit more, just focus on the game and it's merits within that sphere.
I also have to say, I did love his reviews in the deep past: but this intense focus on purely 'value for money' and consumer heroism is so weird to me: gaming costs, it's a hobby, Destiny gives you 100s of hours of gaming...seems like a good deal to me (if you like Destiny though, obviously). This 'give me everything for free/cheap' seems a tad entitled to me.
He is pushing this whole corporate commander thing too far IMO: leave the perceived value to others to percieve a bit more, just focus on the game and it's merits within that sphere.
This is a discussion thread; not everyone has to agree with the final score. Please get that through your head, thanks!
he actually hasn't done any of the raid, unless he used someone elses account. his power level is too far below the recommended power level that it's likely he'd not even be able to launch the raid. he used footage from a friend that only did a single section and wiped a while longer on another. his friend might have thought it was so poorly designed that he refused to push on, and that's his right, but the complaints they made weren't necessarily about raid design but it's rewards. regardless, them only completing one encounter didn't allow them to see the raid reward structure because they only got a single chance at loot, and those drops are rng. from everything i've seen, the raid drops are a bit too infrequent, imo, but that's fixable. i'm not bent out of shape by his opinion, but i do think there should be clarity at least towards the topic of the raid. if you've not done it, you probably shouldn't have much of an opinion on it, and that includes me. still waiting for pc
Niceguydan8
Member
Not agreeing with something (disagreeing) =/= "I think this is wrong."
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
Listening to Bombcast and Jimquisition and coming away with "everything that was wrong and bad about Destiny 1 is back in Destiny 2 with some additional caveats and some bullshit microtransactions".
And now we also have "It has bad AI" on top of that.
If that's accurate then I wouldn't be surprised if it gets a bad review and maybe it should have more.
But people pissed and moaned constantly about Destiny 1 but wouldn't stop playing it something was done right.
And now we also have "It has bad AI" on top of that.
If that's accurate then I wouldn't be surprised if it gets a bad review and maybe it should have more.
But people pissed and moaned constantly about Destiny 1 but wouldn't stop playing it something was done right.
You spent your free time writing this.
Wtf is this? Is this that GAF higher standard?