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Bojack Horseman Season 4 |OT| Fuck Man, What Else Is There To Say
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GuitarGuruu
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The Ruthie episode and episode 11 were so well written. I'm consistently impressed with this show and just how emotionally raw it is. It truly doesn't hold back no matter what plot line they wish to tell and I commend the writers for that.
I'm very happy to see Bojack showing signs of happiness upon doing the right thing at the end of the season. Him and Hollyhock have such a great dynamic and I hope this isn't the last we see of her.
I'm very happy to see Bojack showing signs of happiness upon doing the right thing at the end of the season. Him and Hollyhock have such a great dynamic and I hope this isn't the last we see of her.
Admiral Woofington
Member
this season didnt have super highs or lows. It was a very middle of the road season. So it was still worth a watch I just wasnt an emotional wreck at the end.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Holy shit I was not ready for that Princess Caroline episode.
Admiral Woofington
Member
That's 2 out of 4 seasons with an uplifting ending. I'm sensing a pattern. But we also had a bitter sweet storyline.
Mike Works
Member
Amazing season. It took me the first two seasons to really understand what this show was going for, and right now it's hitting on all cylinders. My favorite episode is still the underwater one from last season (mainly just from an artistic and musical POV), but this was probably the strongest season yet.
RespectThySole
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What was the other uplifting one? Can't remember the other endings atm besides last season tbh
Vincent Alexander
Member
Holy moly, that opening of episode 6 was amazing. Inner-monologue reminded me of myself way too much.
Finished the entire season tonight after watching episodes in blocks every time I went to my girlfriend's place, and we both absolutely loved it. The one character that I do hope we'll be seeing more of in next season is
.
Personally I wasn't a big fan of episode 7 and how absurd the whole storyline seemed to be. Probably is just right below season 3 for me but it's still leagues above most other animated or prime-time shows currently airing. The show works best in setting up those big moments, and I especially loved how we got to see
Fave episodes? Two, Nine, Eleven, and Four were some of the best the show ever produced, though if I had to pick only one for the best it'd probably be the second episode.
Four is one of my faves cause of the return of a certain fuzzy side character
.
Corbin Creamerman, the chaperone at Beatrice's debutante ball and is seemingly a genuinely good guy, who I hope we'll see a reunion with when they're both in their senior years
Personally I wasn't a big fan of episode 7 and how absurd the whole storyline seemed to be. Probably is just right below season 3 for me but it's still leagues above most other animated or prime-time shows currently airing. The show works best in setting up those big moments, and I especially loved how we got to see
Hollyhock's Dads...all 8 of them!
Fave episodes? Two, Nine, Eleven, and Four were some of the best the show ever produced, though if I had to pick only one for the best it'd probably be the second episode.
Four is one of my faves cause of the return of a certain fuzzy side character
.Yeah, just finished watching it, and holy shit, a Bojack season that actually ends on a GOOD note for once?
It was a pretty decent season overall. I don't know if it was as funny as previous ones, though. Something about it just seemed a tad off. Still great, though.
Also, is it just me or did it feel like this season seemed way shorter than usual?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Maybe season 2 with the "it gets easier" ending, but the events of S2E11 completely override that imo.
This is the only season where BoJack doesn't up in a worse place than he was at the beginning. I think above all, he needs his friends in order to function, and he's going to have to earn those friendships back. Which is why it's important that he has a relationship with Hollyhock. Todd hasn't completely shut the door on him, and he'll at least have a working relationship with PC again. It'll be interesting to see how he fits into Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's lives, especially with their marital troubles.
Also, I have to say that I'm surprised that Mr. Peanutbutter
Way to subvert expectations.
"Vincent D'onofrio has had enough....frio."
didn't end up winning the election.
"Vincent D'onofrio has had enough....frio."
Astral Dog
Member
It had some of the highest highs imo
MugiwaraCole
Member
While E11 as a whole and it's plot twist hit the hardest (as did the second episode), I think the biggest gut punch to me was the end of PC's episode.
Discovering the roots of Bojack's trauma and listening to the depressed voice in his head was hard, because I can absolutely relate to those things. But I expect those themes from Bojack. Realizing we weren't actually looking into the future and hearing the story of how things all worked out for PC in the end destroyed me. I use the same coping mechanism often, and Bojack's reply of "...but it's all fake, PC" just...fuck.
Discovering the roots of Bojack's trauma and listening to the depressed voice in his head was hard, because I can absolutely relate to those things. But I expect those themes from Bojack. Realizing we weren't actually looking into the future and hearing the story of how things all worked out for PC in the end destroyed me. I use the same coping mechanism often, and Bojack's reply of "...but it's all fake, PC" just...fuck.
Also, too. Can I just say how I'm surprised at how well received this show is? I've always thought of this show as a grown up version of Cow and Chicken. It takes that shows idea of a world where nearly everyone is just so utterly stupid, and do things that defy all kinds of common sense (the "Hollywoo" sign and Vince Adultman are among the best examples). Now mind you, I personally love that kind of moronic humor, but I didn't think others would accept it as well.
And it's this absurdist comedy that's juxtaposed to the dark, somber moments that makes it all the more impressive, imo. I can't recall any show jumping from outlandish tomfoolery in one instance, and then to depressing, gut punching melancholy in the next. It's a truly unique gift.
Like what? Sure, I laughed quite a few times, but it felt a bit less impressive than prior seasons.
And it's this absurdist comedy that's juxtaposed to the dark, somber moments that makes it all the more impressive, imo. I can't recall any show jumping from outlandish tomfoolery in one instance, and then to depressing, gut punching melancholy in the next. It's a truly unique gift.
Like what? Sure, I laughed quite a few times, but it felt a bit less impressive than prior seasons.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I think season really is about being able to move on. Time's arrow marches only forward. It also shows what happens when you dwell too much. From going on a binge(PC), disapearing for a year deteriorating relationships(Bojack), to just stewing in your own miserableness for your entire life(Bojack's mom).
The hopeful message at the end seemed to say that things wont always work out the way you want, but they can still work out. You have to be able to accept the reality of it though.
The hopeful message at the end seemed to say that things wont always work out the way you want, but they can still work out. You have to be able to accept the reality of it though.
I think episode 11 might just have been the best episode of the series. It's a really fantastic episode with great concept and fantastic execution. It's pretty much spotless and thoroughly chilling. The way it approached dementia (skipping around time, blurred faces, items in the background popping in and out of existence) was incredible.
Episode 9, while not that fresh of a concept, was very effective too. Most people are also very fond of Episode 6. And Episode 7 might have been the most bizarre and out there episode of the series, for better or worse.
I was speaking in terms of comedy. I didn't think this season was as funny as the prior ones.
crackhead_bob
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I like that summation. What themes would you, or others here for that matter, assign to the other 3 seasons?
The animation isn't done anything like South Park, which should be obvious from the number of animators in the credits. South Park is an extreme outlier in how it is produced. From script to finished product, an episode of an animated series takes three months to make, on average, and I would guess Bojack takes about that long.
I kind of feel like in the alternate universe where Trump didn't win, that would have been the original plot line for the season.
I quite enjoyed the season even if it was neither as bleak nor as funny as previous ones. It's interesting that Todd became a more grounded character, frenzied clowns aside, but overall the world of Bojack Horseman is probably more wackily diffuse than ever.
Only thing I wasn't quite sold on was where they ended the Diane-MPB relationship. Her spiel is a good one, and I get where his grand gestures grate on her, but it still feels like she gets set off with no clear provocation and we move from point A to point D without the connective dots scattered through the season, especially since the election storyline didn't result in a major change to upset their status quo.
Also, I'm still not sure whether "destroying my ancestral home I just renovated" is more nihilistic than "burn a half million to spite Daniel Radcliffe". It certainly feels more destructive to me, because Bojack basically did it on a whim and didn't even really have personal hatred driving him.
crackhead_bob
Member
The way Bojack Horseman's intro is subtly altered is similar to South Park. Does Bojack's intro sequence use CGI?
Also, someone on Youtube posted a compilation of tongue twister moments. That got me thinking: That's like a no-no today for animated shows that aspire for grand heights. But man, they've snuck these in with confidence, much like the animal puns that in other shows would illicit groans from viewers and reviewers.
To me it seemed like a symbolic move, he decided to stop running and/or trying to move backwards and instead decided to go back to his life and attempt to move forward.
uncelestial
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I'm gobsmacked that one of the most touchingly human shows I've ever seen is a comedy cartoon with a cast of animal people. I literally shed tears at the finale. The build-up and deterioration of relationships is done so meticulously in this show, whether it's Diane and MrPB drifting apart or Bojack and Hollyhock slowly building their bond together. You rarely, ever, ever see it done that fucking well.
It was my favorite season so far which is saying a lot; in particular the episode that illustrates depression so amazingly, where you can hear Bojack's inner monologue that he is constantly trying to shake off. Absolutely bracing and painful to watch.
Todd was kind of a miss for me, though; he needed a partner in crime to bounce off of. And I think it would've been funnier if the conclusion to the clown story was that one of them gets recognized by a gentle, educated, normal person who knew them as a dentist and is now meeting a feral homicidal clown. To be honest, I think they designed Todd to be the funny ying to Bojack's angry yang and with them apart, Todd was just a random singularity that drifted around.
In general the show has always been stronger dramatically than comedically, for me, and that was never truer than now. The comedy lands solidly in the "sensible chuckle" column and acts like a light salve that makes the pain and darkness of the narratives burn a little less.
It was my favorite season so far which is saying a lot; in particular the episode that illustrates depression so amazingly, where you can hear Bojack's inner monologue that he is constantly trying to shake off. Absolutely bracing and painful to watch.
Todd was kind of a miss for me, though; he needed a partner in crime to bounce off of. And I think it would've been funnier if the conclusion to the clown story was that one of them gets recognized by a gentle, educated, normal person who knew them as a dentist and is now meeting a feral homicidal clown. To be honest, I think they designed Todd to be the funny ying to Bojack's angry yang and with them apart, Todd was just a random singularity that drifted around.
In general the show has always been stronger dramatically than comedically, for me, and that was never truer than now. The comedy lands solidly in the "sensible chuckle" column and acts like a light salve that makes the pain and darkness of the narratives burn a little less.
Season was really great as always. The Diane and PB stuff was a bit drawn out I think, and I wish Todd interacted more with the other characters this season. Bojack and PC are the only ones who've had an arc which can stand on its own, and in fact they have had the best episodes (Ruthie, Time's arrow and Stupid piece of shit).
Those tongue twisters are awesome, and I'm not even a native English speaker.
Astral Dog
Member
Episode 2 and 5, Episode 8 (i think the Earthquake) was funny and 11, 12 made me cry 😢
I do think S2 and 3 were overall a bit better.
She's in this season too, just for 2 episodes though. They decide to remain friends since Todd is asexual.
Then she
disappears around halfway
Nocturnowl
Member
Going back through season 2 on my rewatch and the concept of zombie clowns is one of Todd's improv ideas, all it's missing is dentists but I do wonder if this season intentionally called back to that.
About to start the hardest episode to revisit, I'm still reeling from the ending of S2ep10 (bring back Wanda!...or perhaps better for her to stay away)
About to start the hardest episode to revisit, I'm still reeling from the ending of S2ep10 (bring back Wanda!...or perhaps better for her to stay away)
who?
Bojack's ex, the Owl
Aarglefarg
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ForkNetwork
Banned
S2ep11 is seriously hard to watch, Im always dead silent when it ends
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
The rose-tinted glasses line from S2E10 is still one of the best lines I've ever heard in a TV show. That shit hit me hard.
Aaron Strife
Banned
The fact that he's taking on PC's pet project is a good first step, even if he seems to think it's shit (judging by his disgusted reaction while reading the script in the last episode). His only major artistic projects since Horsin' Around were The BoJack Horseman Show (a shitty vanity project) and Secretariat (literally the story of his idol). He was also roped into doing Ethan Around at first, yet another continuation of his old legacy. He needs to move on.
I'm really invested in BoJack Horseman's fictional career lol
it was a wanda quote
Stabby McSter
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who?
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