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Vahagn

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Really dude, chill. Your obsession with trolling me whether or not I'm in the conversation is getting creepy.


"Vahagn was mentioned? Let me pop in to troll"


"Someone is trolling, Vahagn isn't here? Let me troll him regardless"


"Vahagn is discussing something with someone? Let me interject myself in the conversation and troll accordingly"
 
Magic was a college student coming out early. Lebron was the best player in the game in his prime joining his direct rival.

Do you see the difference, yet? As other #1s have proven, nothing is a guarantee.

I see the difference.

Lebron hit his head against a wall a bunch of times before selling out, whereas Magic didn't waste any time. He went to a 47 win Laker teams (with KAREEM, who many called the best of all time) and threatened to go back to college if he couldn't have his way. The Bulls wouldn't have picked him even if they won the coin flip.
 
I love how we got the #4 pick in our expansion year after Stern let Shinn bend Charlotte over a table.

Wasn't Charlotte not allowed to have a top 2 or top 3 pick for like the first 2 seasons or something?

I see the difference.

Lebron hit his head against a wall a bunch of times before selling out, whereas Magic didn't waste any time. He went to a 47 win Laker teams (with KAREEM, who many called the best of all time) and threatened to go back to college if he didn't. The Bulls wouldn't have picked him even if they won the coin flip.

And they'd have owned his rights like Celtics via Bird.

Magic could have been a bust. Lebron was in his prime. World of difference. You're just salty that besides the Spurs, y'all got just the SewerWalk in that city.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Lol Vag that wasn't even aimed at you.

Stevie Wonder could see that was for CoffeeJanitor. Goddamn you can't comprehend words for shit.
 

Vahagn

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I see the difference.

Lebron hit his head against a wall a bunch of times before selling out, whereas Magic didn't waste any time. He went to a 47 win Laker teams (with KAREEM, who many called the best of all time) and threatened to go back to college if he couldn't have his way. The Bulls wouldn't have picked him even if they won the coin flip.

The Lakers, due to their continued and consistent success in the NBA, have had fewer lottery picks than almost any other organization.


Bu bu bu bu Magic and Kobe wanted to play for LA and not SA...THE LEAGUE IS RIGGED!


Lol Vag that wasn't even aimed at you.

Stevie Wonder could see that was for CoffeeJanitor. Goddamn you can't comprehend words for shit.


A gif can be read as "words" now? You quoted the one person who mentioned me and how DARE I think it's aimed at me considering your history of trolling
 
Gasol did acknowledge to ESPN.com that he has received a level of clarification about his status from Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak since Bryant's speech ... but wouldn't describe it as any stronger than "some" indication of L.A.'s plans for him. Sources say that the Houston Rockets remain adamant that they won't surrender Kyle Lowry for Gasol, no matter how much they like the big man, but it's likewise still true that L.A. lusts for an elite point guard to pair with Bryant and has made it known around the league that it's willing to surrender Gasol to get one.

"There's no guarantees still," Gasol said. "The Lakers' [recent public] statement said it pretty clearly. There's no guarantees."

Asked how much he's looking forward to March 16, Gasol said: "When that day comes along and nothing happens, I know for sure I'll have the security that I will be here at least for this season. After that? Who knows? Obviously it'll be an important day in order just to put everything behind me for another month or two or three."

Which is to say that Gasol is well aware he'll be subjected to renewed speculation about being shopped even if he's still a Laker two weeks from now. After his near-trade to Houston in the collapsed three-team deal from December that nearly brought Chris Paul to the Lakers, it's inevitable that he'll be at the heart of every significant Lakers trade rumor from here.

Say this for him, though. Amid all the tension in Lakerland that Bryant was trying to short-circuit with his public show of support for his teammate, Gasol averaged 18 points and 12.2 boards in February.
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/...me-half-century-later-wilt-100-stands-tallest

Sounds like what I said. Gasol will only be moved for a top end PG and not for lesser parts. and it seems he's been told as much.
 
The Lakers, due to their continued and consistent success in the NBA, have had fewer lottery picks than almost any other organization.


Bu bu bu bu Magic and Kobe wanted to play for LA and not SA...THE LEAGUE IS RIGGED!

Did you miss when I quoted the words straight out of Magic's mouth saying as much?
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
A gif can be read as "words" now? You quoted the one person who mentioned me and how DARE I think it's aimed at me considering your history of trolling

Are you dense? Everyone comes down on CJ after a two page long discussion and everyone, including you, hops on. You have serious issues with reading comprehension.

Holy fuck, even the debate team captain can see this shit. wtf dude
 

SUPREME1

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GTFO
 
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oh give me a fucking break bro.

everyone in the world knew Magic was a stud. He had one of the most successful college careers of all time...



Maybe try a venn diagram? Vag isn't very good with words.

Because college careers are a definite indicator of how pro careers turn out.

I'm not disagreeing with Magic's example, but there are plenty of busts who had great college careers. But you know all this, so obviously, you're bored.

Sounds like what I said. Gasol will only be moved for a top end PG and not for lesser parts. and it seems he's been told as much.

Unless it's Deron, not interested.
 

Vahagn

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Did you miss when I quoted the words straight out of Magic's mouth saying as much?

Did you miss that I just agreed that both wanted to play for LA? How is the league rigged because one guy who's personality fit the glitz and glamor of LA (Magic) and another guy who idolized Magic and loved the franchise both wanted to play for the Lakers?



The only reason the Spurs won any chips at all in their history is because they tanked and got lucky that Tim Duncan became Tim Duncan. Just like the Lakers got lucky that Kobe became Kobe


The difference? The Spurs picked up the surest thing in the draft in a tanked season and didn't give up any pieces to get him...the Lakers picked up a 17 year old project and gave up an All Star Caliber Center to get him because even when presented the opportunity to Tank for an amazingly deep 96 draft, they didn't.


And Kobe made up his mind to go to LA before Shaq was locked up, and Eddie Jones was there so he knew his PT would be limited. He wanted to go there for the same reason Rose wanted to go to Chicago, it was his favorite team growing up.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
A gif can be read as "words" now? You quoted the one person who mentioned me and how DARE I think it's aimed at me considering your history of trolling

That wasn't even about you. That was in response to everyone ganging up on CJ. If anything, it was in support of you.
 
So did Darko.

Yes, Darko's illustrious college career.

But...on the topic of Darko, I'm not so sure he couldn't have developed into a good player. He was drafted into the worst possible situation...Larry Brown as a coach, on a contender which couldn't afford rookie mistake, and away from home with a very "passionate" Detroit fanbase constantly harrassing him.
 

benjipwns

Banned
And lol at Lebron being top 20 player because he wins a title. That would mean Bird, Dr J and Barry are all top 20 players too.
Uhhh.
Black Mama said:
Wasn't Charlotte not allowed to have a top 2 or top 3 pick for like the first 2 seasons or something?
Nah, that situation was only for the Grizzlies and Raptors. The Raptors actually won the 1996 Lottery and the Grizzlies won the 1998 Lottery but they weren't allowed to have the first pick so it was changed to the 76ers and Clippers respectively.
 
comparing Magic threatening to return to college one more year if his NBA destination wasn't desireable to Bron shitting on his hometown, getting choosen 1 tatted on his back, screwing over the cavs, teaming up with two other really good players in their primes in a town that doesn't give a dick about basketball.

I just...I want to say I even, but I don't even.

Magic did more in his rookie year than Bron has done his entire NBA career. I mean.....I don't even.
 

Vahagn

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Are you dense? Everyone comes down on CJ after a two page long discussion and everyone, including you, hops on. You have serious issues with reading comprehension.

Holy fuck, even the debate team captain can see this shit. wtf dude

Dude, really?


You troll me consistently and non-stop...you put up a gif with no words on a quoted post where Reilo mentioned me and I'm dense for not realizing your exact intention on a gif with no words when I'm mentioned?


If you're going to criticize reading comprehension, for the love of God, don't talk shit when all you posted was a gif. If I had a reading comprehension problem, I would have claimed Reilo was trolling me, but he was clearly trolling CJ.


You posted a GIF...sorry I can't read your gif or your mind dude.
 

Vahagn

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Did you miss when I quoted the words straight out of Magic's mouth saying as much?

Did you miss that I said "Kobe and Magic wanted to play for LA"?

You're acting like I disputed that...but I clearly didn't.

Everyone and their mom knows this they both wanted to play for LA, it's documented, I never debated it. I was just poking fun at TCB for thinking the league is rigged because two guys 20 years apart wanted to play for a certain franchise they liked.


Carmelo wanted to play for NY...league is rigged yo!

Rose wanted to be drafted by his hometown Chicago team....league is rigged yo!

Lebron wanted to play for his hometown Cavs...league is rigged yo!

Deron might eventually want to play for his hometown Dallas team...league is rigged yo!
 
Nah, that situation was only for the Grizzlies and Raptors. The Raptors actually won the 1996 Lottery and the Grizzlies won the 1998 Lottery but they weren't allowed to have the first pick so it was changed to the 76ers and Clippers respectively.

Ah, okay. I knew it happened to somebody.

vag - shutup. That gif was obvious. Just say you fucked up and move on. mah gawd.
 
I personally credit the Laker's front office and scouting for picking a player who refused to play for any other team. Remarkably, the Lakers found a gem that all other teams overlooked!
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Something abuzz on from the MIT SSAC about optical tracking, i think I basketball? Do want to see.

One of the most interesting things is how a missed 3 pointer is more likely to be offensively rebounded than mid to long ranged 2 pointers. Any player who takes long 2 point jump shots for a living is a scrub.

I think its stunning that less than a dozen teams are actually using optical tracking right now. The league should be mandating this sooner rather than later.
 
I personally credit the Laker's front office and scouting for picking a player who refused to play for any other team. Remarkably, the Lakers found a gem that all other teams overlooked!

That was after he worked out. West worked him out as a favor to his old agent from what I remember. He was labeled not ready by a bunch of people.

And then he worked out for L.A. and West basically said "He's the future. Give up whoever to get him." Afterwards is when Ainge, Calipari, etc all jumped on, and by then it was too late.

But hey, I understand. 5>4 after all.

Ray Allen out tonight...might as well turn the car around.

Trade pending!
 
One of the most interesting things is how a missed 3 pointer is more likely to be offensively rebounded than mid to long ranged 2 pointers. Any player who takes long 2 point jump shots for a living is a scrub.

I think its stunning that less than a dozen teams are actually using optical tracking right now. The league should be mandating this sooner rather than later.

Long 2s are a necessity. Defenses will force you into them. But taking them early in the clock unless completely uncontested is stupid. You want to defend inside and out of the arc in the playoffs, IMO. It's actually a weakness for the Heat. Don't defend the 3 very well and could bite them. Miami gives up the 2nd most attempts and 7th best percentage. A team like Orlando could upset them if they stay hot.

That said, I'd love to see stats on where the 3 is shot. Missed 3s from the corner I feel like lead to a lot of runouts.
 

pilonv1

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Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 

Vahagn

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Long 2s are a necessity. Defenses will force you into them. But taking them early in the clock unless completely uncontested is stupid. You want to defend inside and out of the arc in the playoffs, IMO. It's actually a weakness for the Heat. Don't defend the 3 very well and could bite them. Miami gives up the 2nd most attempts and 7th best percentage. A team like Orlando could upset them if they stay hot.

That said, I'd love to see stats on where the 3 is shot. Missed 3s from the corner I feel like lead to a lot of runouts.

I agree. A corner missed 3 is probably the worst miss in basketball. Player is out of position to offensive rebound, and out of position to get back on transition defense. A shot from the wing or the top of the key and a player can hustle back against a run out...but the guy who misses a corner 3 is completely useless for the next few seconds usually
 
I was just poking fun at TCB for thinking the league is rigged because two guys 20 years apart wanted to play for a certain franchise they liked.

Oh no, trust me, I have plenty of other reasons. You can go through my post history to see some more if you're interested.

But I know its tough for a Laker fan to read that sort of stuff. It was tough for me too when I found out Santa wasn't real; it isn't easy to have your childhood ruined. I get it.

Thats why the emotion I harbor most of all toward Laker fans isn't jealousy or hate, but pity. It must be terrible to live a lie.

But hey, I understand. 5>4 after all.

40>5.
 

exarkun

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ugh at that KG for Josh Smith trade talks, it makes sense on paper but Josh "the game" Smith is awful, his outside chucking is :/




dat bass don't go too :(

What is this? Josh Smith is a great defender who can put up efficient points if he's like the 2nd/3rd option. There is no way in hell I would trade Smith for KG. That would be the dumbest ish.
 
Ray Allen out tonight...might as well turn the car around.

RIP , its really happening :O


What is this? Josh Smith is a great defender who can put up efficient points if he's like the 2nd/3rd option. There is no way in hell I would trade Smith for KG. That would be the dumbest ish.


it wouldn't be KG anyway, the Atlanta GM said he'd prefer getting Ray then KG, lol *gets popcorn ready*
 

Vahagn

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Oh no, trust me, I have plenty of other reasons. You can go through my post history to see some more if you're interested.

But I know its tough for a Laker fan to read that sort of stuff. It was tough for me too when I found out Santa wasn't real; it isn't easy to have your childhood ruined. I get it.

Thats why the emotion I harbor most of all toward Laker fans isn't jealousy or hate, but pity. It must be terrible to live a lie.

You're a small market fan. You have to believe that your team has an unfair shake and the league is rigged to make yourself sleep better at night.


The reality is fairly simple. NBA championships are usually won by a select few personalities. if you have a great coach and an all time great surrounded by a great team...you can win a few...if you don't...you usually can't.


Boston picked Bird a year before he was even ready to play in the NBA...had another team had the balls to do something like that, they would have probably been successful. LA took a huge gamble in trading an All Star center for a 17 year old immature kid when they already had a premiere player at his position. Kobe can want to play for LA all he wants, but most GM's don't make that move.
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Long 2s are a necessity. Defenses will force you into them. But taking them early in the clock unless completely uncontested is stupid. You want to defend inside and out of the arc in the playoffs, IMO. It's actually a weakness for the Heat. Don't defend the 3 very well and could bite them. Miami gives up the 2nd most attempts and 7th best percentage. A team like Orlando could upset them if they stay hot.

That said, I'd love to see stats on where the 3 is shot. Missed 3s from the corner I feel like lead to a lot of runouts.

Yeah would love to see the data released because there is a lot of interesting stuff involved.

Some other tidbits from that conference though:

That the angle of shot itself has little to no effect on offensive rebounding rate.
And when the defender is closest to the ball as it crosses the 10 foot high plane, offensive rebound percentage is about 15. When offense is closest, OR% = 50%

So the position of the players is as big of a factor in determining offensive boards as the height of the players themselves and the angle of the shot doesn't matter for determining offensive boards.

The shooting data stuff from today was interesting too. Steve Nash is the best shooter in the league, Dirk is a much better shooter from the right post than from the left and Josh Smith a hideously awful shooter from either corner. Although you didn't need any kind of spatial analytics to figure that one out.

Basketball really is a spatial sport.
 
If Stern didn't hand them Duncan, D-Rob would have retired with 0 like he deserved. And the Spurs entire legacy would have been the Lebron of centers.

Exactly. DRobinson was the equivalent of LeBron James. Both slunk when they were needed most. Dennis Rodman knew what was up. He had the heart of a champion while DRobinson had to ride the coattails of Timmy
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah- UPSET D: D:
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
CoffeeJanitor, post if you are okay. Are you okay CoffeeJanitor? Post if you are okay CoffeeJanitor.
 
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