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Apple Media Event - 1080p AppleTV, 4G/LTE 2048x1536 iPad, same price, Mar 16th
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What I don't get is that for a company that has marketing dialed in to a voodoo science they sure do make some huge messaging errors with part or product names.
I would wager if the specs and design were ABSOLUTELY the same, but they called this chip the A6 there would not be the rage over it. Just like if they had called the iPhone 4s the iPhone 5.
Its not like they reveal their product specs anyway, and they branched off of the ARM naming conventions always. It doesn't matter if they call it an A6 or an A5x from an engineering perspective but from a marketing perspective it seems like a fumble.
The only time this made sense was the 3GS because the 3G threw off their naming convention.
I don't see why they don't just dispense with the numbers all together, their ipods and computers have never used them externally
edit: except Apple II
I would wager if the specs and design were ABSOLUTELY the same, but they called this chip the A6 there would not be the rage over it. Just like if they had called the iPhone 4s the iPhone 5.
Its not like they reveal their product specs anyway, and they branched off of the ARM naming conventions always. It doesn't matter if they call it an A6 or an A5x from an engineering perspective but from a marketing perspective it seems like a fumble.
The only time this made sense was the 3GS because the 3G threw off their naming convention.
I don't see why they don't just dispense with the numbers all together, their ipods and computers have never used them externally
edit: except Apple II
Not really, I'm not looking for a world beating, do it all type of experience from a tablet. I like the simple, casual computing that the iPad offers. If there's one thing I would like to see in ios it's widgets, beyond that I'm pretty happy with it. I don't see tablets replacing the workhorse nature of pc/macs and I don't want them to. I'd rather they be two well defined product categories rather than a one size fits all approach.
I wouldn't say that's the difference. It seems to me that it is more likely that the A5 refers to processors based off of the ARM Cortex-A9, and that they are reserving the name A6 for those based on the ARM Cortex-A15. The A5X could be an enhanced dual or a quad core A5. I think it will likely be at dual core with a 453MP4, but I'm not so quick to count out the quad core possibility yet.
Ninja Scooter
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To those scoffing at the idea of iPad having real competition. Don't count Windows 8 out.
http://youtu.be/ODo2In7nEng
Edit: didn't realize it was on a remote client
http://youtu.be/ODo2In7nEng
Edit: didn't realize it was on a remote client
Slurpy2k20
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No, it's not a consensus at all. I own an HP touchpad running both WebOS and Android 4.0 and an HP playbook. Sure, they all have their pros and cons. But honestly I see nothing from other players that makes iOS look like it has 'cobwebs'. For the less technically inclined, it's still the most intuitive and simple to use OS by far. No doubt iOS6 is well underway, but beyond things like a faster way to multitask, there's nothing I find majorly lacking on an OS level compare to everyone else. I'm on some app the majority of the time, not staring at the home screen. I'm glad Microsoft is innovating with Windows 8, but it was primarily as a response to iOS, from the horses mouth. Apple progress iOS on its own timeline and on its own terms.
Probably worse...
edit - Wait, iPhone apps on iPad? Ya not sure. I imagine most iPad apps won't look so hot on the new screen, though.
^I was about to say...
As for multicore processing. iOS, like OS X is one of the finest multithreading/multicore OSes ever made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch
Do you think it will look as bad as the iphone to ipad? Also what is the likelihood I have to rebuy all my ipad apps for the higher resolution?
Not as bad, considering the starting res will be 1024x instead of 480 on the upscaled iPhone apps. Apple only started using the full retina iPhone res on iPad recently (iOS 5 maybe?) but some of them still look like crap.
Misread it earlier, thought you meant regular iPad apps > retina. No, I don't think you'd have to rebuy anything... the good apps should just update for the new resolution.
Here's some good articles you dudes should read:
What iOS should learn from Windows 8 and Android
The Problem with the iOS Homescreen
iOS 6 Wishes
..and here's a vid comparison of iOS vs Windows 8 done by The Verge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHcxMKDKCiU
Slurpy2k20
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That looks like a usability nightmare. Can't see classic windows desktop has a big bullet point for most people. How well did Windows 7 tablets do?
Yeah.
Sharing: It seems to me that Apple will be extending ML's sharing APIs which are based on the twitter integration they did in iOS5 back to iOS6, so the first article is pretty much moot.
Homescreen: I think there are some things Apple could do to enhance the homescreen, more live icons maybe, and a better mechanism for quickly organizing them. However, the homescreen is one of the best things they did with iOS and is part of the popularity in the platform.
Wishlist: I read it last week, eh, people on the internet asking for reasonable and unreasonable things, what's more to say?
Comparison: Frankly I didn't really see much difference in the capabilities of Win8 and iOS. Win8 has a feature where you can kind of split the display to showing 1 and a quarter apps. iOS when it comes to email composition, webpage rendering, account management, etc is STILL more robust than Microsoft's "Full OS" Win8. Make of it what you will.
I'll admit that win8 as some cool shit going on in that vid. Especially the 2 apps at the same time thing. But if there's one thing that Joshua says constantly it's that the iPad is simple and straightforward. That's a big deal, not everyone is some tech nerd. I could see people like my parents having a touch time with the win8 tablets, with the iPad My dad went from a technophobe to lusting for it, buying it day 1. I understand that google and ms are trying to leapfrog iPad with more advanced, serious features that you see in PCs. But the more they add, the more complex things become, even to do the basic stuff. They'll gain some fans with the hardcore computing guys but will invariably sacrifice people that want a casual and simple computing experience. Is that the best way to o about it? I don't know, I like choice so it's great to see different takes on tablet computing. Personally I thin win8 looks great and can't wait to try it out. I don't think apple should throw away the things that makes iOS so great to begin with to take on too many advanced and complex features. They will lose as many people as they gain. The iPad is a device that I an explain to a 8 or 80 year old in about a minute and they can be off using it with minimal friction. I doubt you can say the same for android and win8 tablets.
..Pardon me?
It looks boring and stale compared to ICS and Win 8.
Widgets, live icons and a shift from garbage skeumorphism to digital is what I want.
E-mail: third-party app would fix that
Webpage: we all know IE sucks, but you know what Win 8 allows? You could actually put a real Chrome on Win 8. Not just a re-wrap of IE.
I figure their tablet fortunes will at least be better than their phone fortunes just because Android isn't really established in the tablet space. They're doing enough things that seem to be good that they could get some traction as the main iOS alternative, they could be doing some stuff wrong but for a sort of 1.0 restart overall they have a lot of promise.
A number and a letter.
iOS can take advantage of however many cores, like rendering a webpage could have a few threads going at once which would get spread out over the cores...it's just that not everything is easily parallelized. In the case of mobile devices I'd rather have less higher clocked cores than many slower ones, it'd probably feel faster in more instances than the quad core would be. This is why Intel has the turbo boost stuff, they have many cores available when necessary, or can clock up fewer cores when that would be faster.
Of course the best solution would be a bunch of fast cores, but it's probably a one or the other thing cause power usage.
Yeah it's probably linked to the core generation rather than anything to do with number of cores (like would a Core 2 quad not be a Core 2 CPU anymore?). I could see the A5X being a quad A9 while the dual rumors could've been referring to the A6 (with dual A15) starting development or something (SoCs take a long time)...or it just the old dual core A5 going into the Apple TV, who knows.
It'll probably look like how old iPhone apps looked when the iPhone 4 came out. Native UI elements would be able to display full resolution along with high res assets (if the dev was smart enough to include them already), other stuff would be pixel doubled when necessary.
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I don't know if you guys follow asymco or the podcast, critical path. But Marco laid down a prediction (which is sorta rare for him) that this thing will branded iPad 2S, or something similar. And not iPad3.
LyleLanley
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I really think that a retina display is too big of a change for them to call it a 2S and not a 3.
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Yeah I think I feel that way as well.
His reasoning was because the case design is so similar to that of the iPad2. And that theoretically it would be using the same machinery used to manufacture the iPad2, and that Apple's generational branding shifts are really much more indicative of a change in manufacturing process, rather than anything spec related.
His reasoning was because the case design is so similar to that of the iPad2. And that theoretically it would be using the same machinery used to manufacture the iPad2, and that Apple's generational branding shifts are really much more indicative of a change in manufacturing process, rather than anything spec related.
ICS is black and teal with a terrible font, Win8 is flat solid colored rectangles. I guess we have different ideas of boring and stale.
If Win8 or ICS is what you want, have at it - I won't stop you, personally I prefer iOS, and I think many others do also. It's a good thing we have choice.
The screen better be laminated on the iPad 3.
Most don't think about the laminated screen, but I believe it's one of the prerequisites for "retina".
Many of the developers, designers and writers for the iOS universe are chiming in and saying iOS is beginning to get stale..It's consensus amongst the entire tech world.
Try and deny it all you want but Apple has to get some shit done, because as it stands they are getting usurped by Google & MS in one of their key areas -- design.
Most don't think about the laminated screen, but I believe it's one of the prerequisites for "retina".
Many of the developers, designers and writers for the iOS universe are chiming in and saying iOS is beginning to get stale..It's consensus amongst the entire tech world.
Try and deny it all you want but Apple has to get some shit done, because as it stands they are getting usurped by Google & MS in one of their key areas -- design.
Anticitizen One
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Lmao where do you come up with this stuff?
Yeah I really hope the iPad 3 screen is laminated as well, it's one of the big reasons that the iPhone 4's screen blew away iPhone 3GS's screen.
As for your second comment, the technorati can go to hell because they obviously don't know what the fuck they're talking about. They can say that iOS is stale as much as they want, it doesn't change the fact that it is the big reason Apple's iOS products are doing so well. The ease and simplicity in it's operation is a HUGE plus, it might not be flashy, but it is brain dead simple and reliable. And I'm sorry if you think that Honeycomb or ICS is better than iOS on tablets, cause as it is Android in a mishmash of stupid on tablets. It's rough as hell and performance is spotty at best. Win8 looks great, but there's still a ways to go before it ships...as it is, it looks promising (as long as they stay away from non-Metro Windows on WOA). To the average consumer the "stale" iOS is not stale, it's dependable, predictable, reliable and most importantly, simple. Can iOS grow to handle more functions in the future? It will have to, no doubt. Should they completely throw away the fundamentals of iOS in order to hang with the Android and Win8's of the world? That would be a huge mistake IMO. You look at the simple iOS and see an weakness, I see their biggest strength.
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Yeah right, iOS changes so quickly. Last year at this time notification center didn't exist.
Now its coming to the Mac.
Say all you want about iOS and I won't contest you, but you better recognize how quickly that shit evolves, my fellow dude.
Now its coming to the Mac.
Say all you want about iOS and I won't contest you, but you better recognize how quickly that shit evolves, my fellow dude.
I thought you Apple guys had an eye for design? How does some of the stuff in iOS not make you cringe with it's utter blandness?
Windows 8 Lockscreen:
Ice Cream Sandwich Lockscreen:
iPad Lockscreen:
lol...
Some are saying that about Apple because their overall UI design hasn't changed as much as the competition and they would like to see something completely new for a change.
Even though that's the case, many will still agree that Apple has the best design. So I don't know where you are getting "consensus" from.
It's Apple's insane need to keep design consistent between iPhone and iPad. Sometimes they take it a bit too far...
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Yeah, the iPad lockscreen does need to be changed. Its silly having an iPhone sized unlock bar.
They should just get rid of the slider completely and have that entire bottom area thing be the swipe to unlock segment. If you just swipe your finger along any two inches of it the device will unlock. Its really just the funky size of the graphic thats the problem.
They should just get rid of the slider completely and have that entire bottom area thing be the swipe to unlock segment. If you just swipe your finger along any two inches of it the device will unlock. Its really just the funky size of the graphic thats the problem.
Minor updates, and notification center looks like blegh and Android still handles them better (and prettier!)
If iOS 6 isn't a game changer, I'm taking my phone money to ICS and my tablet money to Win 8.
Buckethead
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iOS gripes:
- Let me change/crop my wallpaper to the size I damn well please.
- Let me quick toggle wi-fi on/off by tapping the wi-fi/3G icon
I think that's about it.
- Let me change/crop my wallpaper to the size I damn well please.
- Let me quick toggle wi-fi on/off by tapping the wi-fi/3G icon
I think that's about it.
That's cute, but where's the consensus?
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It was just an example. I just find it curious you refer to a rapidly evolving operating system as "stale." I've been with the OS since Day one (with a two year android hiatus where I merely kept an eye on things) and its a constantly moving platform. That was my real point. It is literally in motion as we speak.
iOS3 was the only real non-gamechanger. But that introduced push notifications.. which would have probably been a much larger deal if the notification system on the device didn't suck.
iOS updates are nothing compared to Android.
It rapidly evolves in features, but in terms of looks it's pretty much the same as it did in 07; which is just stale compared to what MS & Goog are cooking up.
Go find it.
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Dudes out for it tonight.
iAmMaximus
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Sold my iPad 2 earlier today. I AM READY.
Sorry, stop right there. As adults, when we make a claim we back it up with evidence. We are not allowed to make a claim, and then tell people to prove you wrong - this is not how mature people act.
It's unfortunate that your argument sank down the Challenger Deep. Maybe James Cameron will retrieve it?
I don't have the time to dig up all the stuff I've been reading the past few months.
Then don't tell someone else to do it for you.
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