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The Verge compares PS4/XB1 games (that nasty, awful XB1 sharpening filter at work)
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Was there something wrong in what he said?
SolidSnakex
Member
Does Ghosts really look like that on the PS3? It looks like a 360p Youtube video.
Ok, thank you for not being a smarmy ass in the reply.
I know it's a filter - but I like the filter and if they applied the same filter at the higher resolution to the PS4? I'd probably like that image even more. I'm not being MS biased here or something.
It does now, that's awesome! I'd prefer that on my PS4 please!
(I also at no point was implying the Xbox image wasn't possible on the PS4, simply that I prefered the look of the Xbox image)
Necromanti
Member
Is the lighting missing in that XB1 shot of AC4?
That's why people said that you could turn up the sharpness setting on your TV, for one, to replicate that "filter".
Chobel
Member
That will not happen as long as Xbox One exist, adding more details is liking adding exclusive content to PS4 games, that will piss MS and Xbox One owners, no studio is courage enough to do that.
Are you one of those people that use the Dynamic setting on TVs and with all the extra processing features like Motion+ or whatever?
LittleJohnny
Banned
He's obviously saying that given the same limitations, when you lower the resolution, you free up some room to allow more assets, so it's not always the case where 1080p is the best resolution. It's possible to have a 1600 x 900 with a good method of anti-aliasing applied to make a game that looks overall better than what would've been possible had they sacrificed some eye candy in order to achieve full 1080p.
Eventually game engines will become so advanced that even PS4 games that shoot for those visuals will be 720p in order to keep up with the PC, but you better bet that those games will make early PS4 games look like a joke, despite them running 1080p... capice?
Yeah, I think Ill just stick with the normal mode and assume that like always this just launch mistakes that will be corrected in time.
And that is what I am saying...if you like that sharpen filter so much go into your TV settings and mess around with the sharpen and contrast options and bump everything up.
I still don't understand why you keep saying higher resolution to the PS4 though.
cartoon_soldier
Member
Hoping MS updates the upscaler.
runnin_blue
Banned
4x more powerful wit da cloud!!
FairXchange
Member
Pray tell, how is a less detailed image, with sharpening artifacts and black crush preferable to crisper detail, smooth edges and accurate contrast?
I agree with you for the most part sadly that's how game development is.
However, if you look closely at the PS4 and Xbox One shots of Ghosts, you will see on the satelitte there actually is a few extra polygons on a couple of objects
THAT stuff makes me happy! The resolution is just a bonus. Definitely the superior version (and the colours / "pop" stuff? Same on both versions too)
I wouldn't want to fuck with my movies / TV - prefer it to be an ingame option
Sorry I don't understand?
From where I sit, colours are nicer, items stand out. Is that "pop" ? I guess if you want to coin the term pop, go for it - it works for me in that AC4 shot, sorry and all but it does!
Unsharpened looks way better. The HUD won't be rendered in 1080p, though. I'd take a softer image without ringing and halos any day.
UntoldDreams
Member
I didn't want to agree to this because I think its wrong but...
There's something to be said for the "incorrect & overloaded" contrast settings Microsoft has obviously defaulted to. It is incorrect coloring in that its crushing dark tones and likely over-whitening light tones...
But people are responding to it thinking its a better picture. People saying "That's a better picture!" even though by definition they are losing color detail & richness is a reality of the situation.
I guess the question is how many people would prefer losing color detail for higher contrast?
There's something to be said for the "incorrect & overloaded" contrast settings Microsoft has obviously defaulted to. It is incorrect coloring in that its crushing dark tones and likely over-whitening light tones...
But people are responding to it thinking its a better picture. People saying "That's a better picture!" even though by definition they are losing color detail & richness is a reality of the situation.
I guess the question is how many people would prefer losing color detail for higher contrast?
phosphor112
Banned
Holy shit, that's legitimately disgusting.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
bahahaHAHAHA!!!! Oh man, well played *wipes tear from eye*
LiquidSolid
Member
But but but:
Oh, Microsoft. Maybe if you'd spent less time masturbating to a picture of yourself and vastly over-estimating your place in the industry, you wouldn't have been the laughing stock of 2013.
Albert Penello said:
Oh, Microsoft. Maybe if you'd spent less time masturbating to a picture of yourself and vastly over-estimating your place in the industry, you wouldn't have been the laughing stock of 2013.
perineumlick
Member
Listen, if you saw both running side by side, you would change your tune. My cousin had his XBone over on Thanksgiving, along with AC4 (He's a big fan of the series). After seeing it running on my PS4, he was all kinds of envious, and didn't want to go back to his version. Seeing them both on my Panny plasma, it's no contest which is the superior version; those "colors" and "pop" that you think you are seeing are just obscuring details that are vivid and sharp on PS4. It is what it is, if you prefer a worst image because of some imaginary color advantage, hey, whatever floats your boat.
Go to your TV and set the brightness/contrast higher than what you currently have. Or just use the 'Game' or 'Animation' mode, that usually does the trick.
You can do the same thing on your TV. If it's done with the Xbone though, it's not reversible.
shinra-bansho
Member
Why do you keep saying you only care about things like texture detail and not rendering resolution, when the ability to see the former properly depends upon the latter being sufficiently high?
Have you not seen the Dark Souls gif pre- and post- Durante's fix?
Have you not seen the Dark Souls gif pre- and post- Durante's fix?
How do I do it? Is it in the xbox menu, or something I need to do on my tv?
Maybe I will mess around with it, but I need new glasses so it wont matter much til I get them,
It's definitely possible that in motion on my plasma, I might find the washed out look actually kind of sucks, that I can't be sure of without trying, won't deny it.
None the less in shots, I found that Xbox one stood out, hence me commenting.
Personally, I'll never get to see the Xbox One version so I'll never know! I'm sure I'll be happy with the PS4 quality, it's certainly not "bad" by any means.
Set the Bone to 720p
You can do the same fucking thing they're doing with Xbone shots with your TV. Go to contrast and crank it to 100. Go to sharpness and crank it to 100.
It will look like shit, but you might like it.
But maybe you would like the image better.I wouldn't want to fuck with my movies / TV - prefer it to be an ingame option
Explain the bolded:
perineumlick
Member
That has no bearing in this comparison, because both have the same assets. The XBone isn't adding anything extra because it's running at a lower res, it's the same thing. Wishing for 720p in games just to add more detail is irrelevant here.
SwiftDeath
Member
So the sharpening filter seems to be on purpose if you can turn it off by forcing the XB1 to output 720p. That seems odd
The campaign is pretty decent. The one mission where you're repelling down a building is damn cool.
it only makes it less since it doesn't have to stretch the image. its still there.. and more importantly the contrast filter is still there.
Ahhh, I'm making an assumption that AC4 Xbox and AC4 PS4 are rendered at different resolutions? Sorry the wording is kind of off though, what it should say is:
Necromanti
Member
This is either a masterful troll or you are a PC gamer and used to playing at higher than 1080p resolution. The PS4 version at 1080p (post patch) is in no way, shape or form sub-par or "last gen".
SwiftDeath
Member
Ugh that sucks can't even turn it off by jumping through hoops
Hopefully an update will allow at least an option to turn it off but I wonder if MS would even admit to having the filter in the first place
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
The power of resolution.
That detail.
Which looks better?
Guess I'm a sucker for contrast filters, I love the darker one!
You need your eyes checked. I bet you think TV's in the showroom look great also.
SwiftDeath
Member
Your TV eagerly awaits its recalibration
Not sure how that's possible when everything in the game looks so muddy because of those low res textures. 1080p can only do so much on its own.
Go to ur tv settings and crack up the contrast
the point is.. you can do that on your on with your tv settings.. forcing it on everyone is a bad choice.