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3DS Uses DMP's PICA200 GPU
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charlequin
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duk said:
No, it does do self-shadowing as one of its slate of effects (and we have 3DS screenshots showing it off, apparently.) It's just not in the demo reel brain_stew linked.
AceBandage
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Ignis Fatuus said:
They like to tease the internet.
They love reading our crack pot theories.
Ignis Fatuus
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What rivals?DonMigs85 said:
brain_stew
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Quadrangulum said:
I was considering looking into whether or not they were a public company and if they were buying some shares last week. Would have made a fortune! :lol :lol :lol
AceBandage
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markot said:
$150.
So, again, like I've said a million times before. The 3DS will be $180 at launch.
Ignis Fatuus
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$150 off the top of my head, could be wrong.markot said:
I suspect that with the 3D shit and all else the 3DS will launch at $199.
Father_Brain
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After seeing the mostly-gushing impressions from E3, I've come around to the conclusion that Nintendo can probably get away with pricing the system over $200, up to $250 (though probably not higher), even if the manufacturing cost is well below $200; DSi is currently priced at a pretty massive profit, after all. I wouldn't recommend making any assumptions based solely on the fact that the GPU tech has been around for four years.
brain_stew
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duk said:
It supports soft self shadowing in hardware although that demo doesn't use it.
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Man, GAF are pretty mindblowing when we put our mind to a task!
Wonder how many other communities figured out this mystery weeks before E3?
brain_stew
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Snakeyes said:
There's more than one chip based off the technology, so we really don't know quite how fast this thing is yet. Just what featureset it has.
HAL_Laboratory
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Yeah, that school of thought does not apply in this generation. People thought it did last generation, and we all saw how that turned out.Father_Brain said:
Father_Brain
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HAL_Laboratory said:
If it weren't for the 3D screen, I'd agree that a sub-$200 price point would be a fairly safe bet. But there's a very good chance that from Nintendo's perspective, the wow factor from the 3D will be enough to justify an additional premium; exactly how much remains to be seen, of course.
MattyGrovesOrMe
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Will this GPU adequately facilitate my shooting of zombies/nazis/terrorists/thugs/aliens/subaltern people in three dimensions?
charlequin
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big_z said:
The chip's already "dumbed down" to start with, it's built around fixed-purpose reproductions of programmable shader effects. It... really wouldn't make sense to start from this point and "dumb it down" further. :lol
charlequin
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Snakeyes said:
The same SMAPH-S that literally only started shipping like three months ago?
AceBandage
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Snakeyes said:So the OpenGL ES 2.0 SMAPH-S was THAT much more expensive and power hungry?
smh
Don't be surprised when the third parties that are supporting you now jump ship to the more powerful iPhone 5 in about 2 years, Nintendo
Haha, iPhone.
brain_stew
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Snakeyes said:
There's more than one version of the chip. A less flexible chip with higher throughput may be a better choice when it comes to power efficiency. If a fixed function design can allow developers to easily implement most of the shader effects we were hoping of seeing, then why not buy yourself that extra efficiency? Nintendo could be using the version with 4 vertex shaders and 4 TMUs for all we know and that'd certainly be better than a unified architecture with just one TMU and one unified shader.
This isn't Flipper levels of developer restraints. It still has a full vertex shader and a lot more of effects hard wired, sub surface scattering, really nice quality soft shadows and self shadowing (which developers are already using), per pixel lighting (which is already seeing good use), tessellation and more.
Ignis Fatuus
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Nintendo are such complacent swine.Snakeyes said:So the OpenGL ES 2.0 SMAPH-S was THAT much more expensive and power hungry?
smh
Don't be surprised when the third parties that are supporting you now jump ship to the more powerful iPhone 5 in about 2 years, Nintendo
Bring me my flip flops!
GoldenEye 007
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In two years, 3DS will probably be a gravy train. So... yeah...Snakeyes said:So the OpenGL ES 2.0 SMAPH-S was THAT much more expensive and power hungry?
smh
Don't be surprised when the third parties that are supporting you now jump ship to the more powerful iPhone 5 in about 2 years, Nintendo
From the looks of this, it will be stupid easy and quick to get similar modern shader performance and techniques. Which is great.
brain_stew
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No MSAA support ofcourse which sucks balls. Guess Quaz51 really was right about Nintendo using jittered samples in 2D mode for free supersampling.
Thunder Monkey
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Wow. :lol
15 million polygons looks about right from what we were seeing. A fixed function design built around modern day effects. :lol
For a handheld that's a boatload of power.
It fits with Nintendo's design since the GCN to a T. They want it to be easy to get a lot of effects running in tandem. They had a very different idea of what that was in the GCN era, or what was technically feasible.
We are looking at some impressive games in the future of this platform. Once they really understand the hardware, and know how to maximize what's there.
15 million polygons looks about right from what we were seeing. A fixed function design built around modern day effects. :lol
For a handheld that's a boatload of power.
It fits with Nintendo's design since the GCN to a T. They want it to be easy to get a lot of effects running in tandem. They had a very different idea of what that was in the GCN era, or what was technically feasible.
We are looking at some impressive games in the future of this platform. Once they really understand the hardware, and know how to maximize what's there.
Technosteve
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subdivision primitives? aka tessellation?
brain_stew
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One big sucky point is that the chip doesn't support MSAA!
If Quaz51's theory about you getting free 2x supersampling in 2D mode is correct I think I'm going to have to give up the stereo3D! :lol
I wouldn't have bothered if games were using 2xmsaa in S3D mode but since we now know they'll all have absolutely zero antialiasing, that 2x supersampling is sounding awfully appealing!
If Quaz51's theory about you getting free 2x supersampling in 2D mode is correct I think I'm going to have to give up the stereo3D! :lol
I wouldn't have bothered if games were using 2xmsaa in S3D mode but since we now know they'll all have absolutely zero antialiasing, that 2x supersampling is sounding awfully appealing!
brain_stew
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Technosteve said:
Yes. The cloth and the pans in that demo use it. All is explained in those slides I linked to.
Ignis Fatuus
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brain_stew is making my brain hurt.
brain_stew
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GDGF said:
Developers aren't going to be using NURBs. The tessellation hardware may get some use but if the 360 is any indication, then it probably won't be widely adopted.
Ignis Fatuus
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Did someone contradict Kojima?Mudkips said:
brain_stew
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Ignis Fatuus said:
Basically, if you play games with the 3D effect enabled, then no 3DS games will have anti aliasing. Jittered samples producing a supersampling effect is something Nintendo could do to enable free antialiasing in 2D mode and we already have evidence suggesting this is precisely what they are doing. Unlike traditional MSAA that you see in PS3/360 games, this mean it will be applied to the whole image and thus it should look fantastic, but ofcourse, no 3D depth.
KOJIMA contradicted Kojima.Ignis Fatuus said:
He simply compared the immersion 3D offers to the immersion 5.1 audio offers.
http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_kojima
The graphics improved and we can now hear in 5.1, but these were only quality advancements in terms of 2D images. But now you can really feel depth and realism has drastically improved, so you can really feel a sense of immersion.
brain_stew said:One big sucky point is that the chip doesn't support MSAA!
If Quaz51's theory about you getting free 2x supersampling in 2D mode is correct I think I'm going to have to give up the stereo3D! :lol
I wouldn't have bothered if games were using 2xmsaa in S3D mode but since we now know they'll all have absolutely zero antialiasing, that 2x supersampling is sounding awfully appealing!
So what does "full scene anti aliasing" mean in the specs then exactly as compared to MSAA?
GoldenEye 007
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What is the difference between that and full scene anti-aliasing?brain_stew said:One big sucky point is that the chip doesn't support MSAA!
If Quaz51's theory about you getting free 2x supersampling in 2D mode is correct I think I'm going to have to give up the stereo3D! :lol
I wouldn't have bothered if games were using 2xmsaa in S3D mode but since we now know they'll all have absolutely zero antialiasing, that 2x supersampling is sounding awfully appealing!
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