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Why don't they just make her play with the men and cut out all the controversy?
this will always be a trick question, as long as there's two category, there always gonna be a problem somewhere, and that has nothing to do with bigotry or misoginy
the only real solution that would be "fair" would be to make every sports mixed, male, female, trans and so on all in the same teams... or mabye add the mixed sport to the rest as a third category
of course it will never happen, i know why, but still, it would be nice to watch mixed sports
It's tricky because the hormone therapy makes her weaker and slower than before, but her bone density and strength still eclipse those of a born woman.Why don't they just make her play with the men and cut out all the controversy?
The sheer absurdity of comparing college intramural frisbee to a professional sport is killing me.There are plenty of college intramural sports that have girls and boys on them. My collegiate ultimate Frisbee team had girls
Why don't they just make her play with the men and cut out all the controversy?
It's almost like we need to transition to classifying sports by performance class, like weight classes in boxing. That said, I have zero idea how that would ever work for a broad variety of sports, and I also understand that weight isn't the metric we're using at all here.
Like, the question is: is it a problem that Hannah Mouncey isn't allowed to participate in the women's league, because she'd be at a huge advantage, or that she's not able to participate in the men's league because she's "not a man?"
There would likely be significant differences in bone structure and musculature between the two. It wouldn't be comparable.
I didn't say she was. That's not really a good answer either. If she's too strong and dangerous for the women, why not just play with the men?Because she's not a man.
Absolutely false. My roommate used to be an athlete in high school, and she was slightly taller and stronger than this woman.
I didn't say she was. That's not really a good answer either. If she's too strong and dangerous for the women, why not just play with the men?
True. The harsh truth is that if you're transgendered on either side, you'll face issues. MtF will easily dominate the competition due to the genetic advantages of having been a man.
FtM will have trouble competing die to the genetic advantages his opponents will have due to being men.
The harsh reality of it is that your right to your self image ends long before you get to professional sports. The integrity of the sport is more important than one person's desire to attain their goal of playing professional sports as the gender they identify as. Professional sports are inherently ableist.
True. The harsh truth is that if you're transgendered on either side, you'll face issues. MtF will easily dominate the competition due to the genetic advantages of having been a man.Because she's not a man.
It would be very interesting to see how people would react to the scenario you propose.
What hormone levels do you think she should achieve? Is there something wrong with the IOC standard?
Yes there is. 10nmols is incredibly high for a woman and well outside the range.
This is the normal range for women. Olympics allows 10nmol/L for women
1570 ng/dL (0.522.4 nmol/L)
Where did they say how strong she was? I must have missed that.
She's reportedly well below that standard. By a few factors, according to some articles, not as though she got 0.1 nmol/L below and called it good.
True. The harsh truth is that if you're transgendered on either side, you'll face issues. MtF will easily dominate the competition due to the genetic advantages of having been a man.
FtM will have trouble competing die to the genetic advantages his opponents will have due to being men.
The harsh reality of it is that your right to your self image ends long before you get to professional sports. The integrity of the sport is more important than one person's desire to attain their goal of playing professional sports as the gender they identify as. Professional sports are inherently ableist.
I disagree at the most fundamental level with the bolded. A sport is just a concept, a bunch of manufactured equipment and arbitrary rules. I do not care about the integrity of such a thing over people.
Yes there is. 10nmols is incredibly high for a woman and well outside the range.
This is the normal range for women. Olympics allows 10nmol/L for women
1570 ng/dL (0.522.4 nmol/L)
She's below the 10 or within the actual range for women? Not that it matters, like I said, the Olympic range is a problem anyway.
That a large number of people dedicate their entire lives to, and a much larger number of fans invest their time, money, and emotion to on the basis of (amongst other things) fair competition. Sport goes way beyond what you've described to the point it's a complete nonsense. Caring about the integrity of sports is caring about people.
It's tricky because the hormone therapy makes her weaker and slower than before, but her bone density and strength still eclipse those of a born woman.
The sheer absurdity of comparing college intramural frisbee to a professional sport is killing me.
Dumbest post I have read in a while, and would solve absolutely nothing.
This is also true. There may be an initial spike due to the novelty of the whole thing, but it wouldn't take long for people to realize how fucked the competition is. Even if there were rules and regulations in place to make the integration easier, the end result would be far removed from what we have today.They would allow it for 6 months to a year. When you have the worst ratings of all time for the sport, they would change the rule due to money.
One solution is to generally allow steroids and other PED's for athletes that compete.
That allows inclusivity and an even playing field.
The basic reasoning comes down to 'cause you're really a man'. It's pretty standard fare transmisogyny.
One solution is to generally allow steroids and other PED's for athletes that compete.
That allows inclusivity and an even playing field.
It doesn't make any sense whatsoever and the reasoning absolutely comes across as trans-misogyny.
Should cis-gendered women that are 6'2" 220lb be barred from the draft as well for the safety of the players?
Also, note how I used AFL in the quoted post. Get your facts straight.
People like Hannah Mouncey? If we purport to care about people, let's care about them instead of saying "integrity of the sport" and moving on.
No, as has been explained again and again and again the people she'd be playing against, who she would have a massive advantage over.
OK, so only some people.
Would only be one person in this case if you had your way.
So her presence would just ruin a lifelong passion for sports for everybody else associated with the AFL?
Wow, she has a lot of power.
Women can try out for and try the make a NBA and NFL roster, I can't speak for other sports or leagues.Because she's not a man.
Women can try out for and try the make of NBA and NFL teams, I can't speak for other sports or leagues.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ilbermans-nfl-tryout-lasts-two-short-kickoffs
http://www.espn.com/espnw/news/article/6527710/women-pros-woman-shoot-nba
Well that's not what I said. But you obviously don't give a shit about anyone she would play against, their coaches who give up their time, etc etc, is more the point.
Yamchaphobic much?I think we can all agree that Yamcha was an asshole for playing professional baseball.
10 nanomole/l of testosterone is still ridicolously high.
Over 4 nm/l of testosterone is sign of medical issues for an adult woman. It's like accepting a dude doping and more than doubling its testosterone levels. Ask anyone lifting how it's like to take testosterone.
Smartest man in the Universe. Yamcha will achieve GOAT status in his sport while Vegeta is off playing Second Fiddle to Goku and raising a disappointing son.I think we can all agree that Yamcha was an asshole for playing professional baseball.
I think trans women should only be able to compete with cis women in professional sports if they had started hormone replacement therapy/ puberty blockers by no later than 13 years old. Hopefully in the future, that will be more commonplace.
ITT people screaming transphobia and not seeming to understand bilogical, genetic, and sports/exercise science research.
There was no problem with the committees decision. Even if it is a shitty situation for her.
ITT people screaming transphobia and not seeming to understand bilogical, genetic, and sports/exercise science research.
There was no problem with the committees decision. Even if it is a shitty situation for her.
And her presence ruins all that? The presence of any transgender competitor? If their love and dedication to he sport is fundamentally incompatible with finding a reasonable, achievable and respectful way of inclusion, then yeah, I give zero shits about their time, effort etc. Those that do care about inclusion and want to work to have a defined, reasonable standard, I care about them.
I think trans women should only be able to compete with cis women in professional sports if they had started hormone replacement therapy/ puberty blockers by no later than 13 years old. Hopefully in the future, that will be more commonplace.
It's a tough situation.
But the wellbeing of every athlete involved is more important.
In a sport as heavily physical and contact based as Aussie Rules, I would rather the AFL assure the reasonable safety of every participant.
If that safety in wellbeing is in doubt, which the AFL believes to be the case, then I think it's a fair decision.
Hopefully with more seasons and experience, a better solution will arise.