Alligatorjandro
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I dont even know what this is about anymore.
Attraction is primarily physical, but it can be quelled by the not-so physical; such as finding out the person you're attracted to was previously a male complete with a penis, bare chest and other primarily male features.
It's a complete and utter turn off to me, quite frankly.
Attraction is primarily physical, but it can be quelled by the not-so physical; such as finding out the person you're attracted to was previously a male complete with a penis, bare chest and other primarily male features.
It's a complete and utter turn off to me, quite frankly.
doesn't he just believe that you gender identity isn't a choice? Or am I reading it wrong?
go gataI dont even know what this is about anymore.
Well, I have some thoughts about this general matter. A tad longwinded, but hopefully worth the read.I think the issue is here you simply cant convince people that if you take out penis and substitute it with a vagina, you're suddenly a woman. To the person in question, they might feel that way. But not to others.
Personally, in my opinion i don't think surgery, medications or makeup will change your biological blue print. If you're born a man, then you're a man. Nothing can change this in my opinion. If my mother wanted to be a man then more power to her. But i will always see her as woman
What would you make of someone like Cheryl Chase, who by genetics is a woman (XX), but by gender and genitalia is intersexed? If your belief held merit, she ought to be a woman in all respects.I personally believe everyone's gender has already been decided upon conception. I mean no disrespect to you lexi. I have nothing against you. But that's simply my opinion on the matter. Until someone convinces me otherwise
go gata
Can't trust anyone with an anthro character in their avat-
What would you make of someone like Cheryl Chase, who by genetics is a woman (XX), but by gender and genitalia is intersexed? If your belief held merit, she ought to be a woman in all respects.
Well, I have some thoughts about this general matter. A tad longwinded, but hopefully worth the read.
Sex, gender, and sexual orientation have classically been thought to be bound together on the same axis, more or less something like this (quick and dirty scribble ahoy):
But experience and study alike have shown that this arrangement fails to fully describe the sheer variance present within humanity. Homosexuality is a great example, it shatters the presumption that all men are born to love women, and all women to love men. Add in a simple representation of one intersex variation and you get something that looks like this:
Well, clearly this is already not working, the dual-axis male-female model is starting to suffer significant deformation. If transgenderism has it roots in biology and not social fancy (as the mounting evidence suggests), it would imply (to some degree, however small or large) a decoupling of sex and gender, and clinging to the hardline model of old would smack of undue stubbornness.
And from what I understand of the scientific work and progress being made with regard to these matters, variance, and not rigidity, is winning the day. The more we learn of our own biology, the less and less rigid it becomes with regards to our classical categorization and conceptions. If we run down the line with a model something like the above, delineate all the observed variations, one begins to see something that resembles less and less the classical two axes, and more a great tree with many extant branches (aesthetically, much like the great tree of life). If you can't see that mess for what it is, you cling to a biology decades (if not centuries) out of date, from times when simpler answers and simpler models were all that were within reach and appetite.
What would you make of someone like Cheryl Chase, who by genetics is a woman (XX), but by gender and genitalia is intersexed? If your belief held merit, she ought to be a woman in all respects.
Another great example, half-kicking myself for not remembering it.I also think he might have a hard time with androgen insensitivity syndrome, whose expressions range from men with mild fertility problems to women who can have completely normal female bodies despite being "genetically male."
In essence, very much so. I'm just a ponderous doodler/writer!Long Story Short
I would be really fucking angry if I was making out with a guy, regardless of what gender they identify with and did not tell me. Regardless of my personal sexual orientation.
edit: i swear that post was quoting something else
The fuck is wrong with some of you, seriously. There is literally nothing that can be said to convince half these people that they're being bigots. This thread is on repeat and each time another shithead comes in and starts off with how they're approving only to say something contradictory. Then lines start getting drawn in the sand as if they actually make sense.
Broken record of bigotry up in this hizzy.
Can some of you just not have children? You can adopt. That's fine. I mean, it's only genetic or whatever the fuck logic your brain uses to come to such asinine conclusions.
LOLAs someone that was diagnosed with "Sharp Knees", i promissed myself that i would never ever quote you in a discussion related to this ... but ...
YOU PROVED YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR SIXTH SENSE !!!!
xD
I never singled you out in the malice way you make it sound. I never even mentioned your name.This particular person directly said that I'm an insult to his daughter and wife.
Yeah, I know we aren't getting to the more "opinionated" posters that we may be replying to, but such an argument can bring good information to more moderate people that may not know much about the subject.
Lexi, I would never disrespect you and call you anything other than what you would want me to call you.
I never singled you out in the malice way you make it sound.
You guys can talk all about gender being in the mind and soul if you want to. But the physical evidence is in the genes. They don't lie and cannot be altered. If you posses a "Y" chromosome, then physically you are a man. No knife or drug can ever change that.
Meaning that if a trans person wished me to address them as a he or her, despite my personal opinion, I would oblige.word. despite the nonsense that occurred throughout the course of the thread, i do find the subject fascinating.
that (corny as fuck) bit of forced outrage did pretty much this.
95% of this thread is heterosexual male gaf
Lexi, I would never disrespect you and call you anything other than what you would want me to call you (example: This is Lexi. She is a woman), but I can never truly think of you as a 100% true woman the same as I do when I see the women in my life. If you are a true 100% woman, then what are they, 110% true woman? You are not equal when it comes to womanhood. As I said before, the majority of the men in this thread strongly agree with me on this. They have expressed that they feel the exact same way. The difference is that maybe I am more direct about it.
The majority of men in this thread are transphobic, that makes it okay.
Meaning that if a trans person wished me to address them as a he or her, despite my personal opinion, I would oblige.
I don't expect anything from you. Just stating what I would do in that situation.I don't know what you expect from me for such a relatively simple courtesy. I kinda get the feeling you consider it such a big deal to refer to me as she.
The majority of men in this thread are transphobic, that makes it okay.
No outrage here and nothing forced or corny from me ever, word?
You guys can talk all about gender being in the mind and soul if you want to. But the physical evidence is in the genes. They don't lie and cannot be altered. If you posses a "Y" chromosome, then physically you are a man. No knife or drug can ever change that.
Lexi, I would never disrespect you and call you anything other than what you would want me to call you (example: This is Lexi. She is a woman), but I can never truly think of you as a 100% true woman the same as I do when I see the women in my life. If you are a true 100% woman, then what are they, 110% true woman? You are not equal when it comes to womanhood. As I said before, the majority of the men in this thread strongly agree with me on this. They have expressed that they feel the exact same way. The difference is that maybe I am more direct about it.
The majority of men in this thread are transphobic, that makes it okay.
Most of the true bigotry on this thread has come from the pro trans gendered side.
Someone saying they fully support the rights of trans people to act and be called what they want, but saying they personally would not want a relationship with such a person, is not displaying bigotry. It is at the most, prejudice, but it is not bigotry.
There are many other smaller factors than someone under going sexual reassignment that can destroy an otherwise seemingly well matched relationship. To act as if it is no large deal, or anyone citing it as a valid reason to break off a relationship is displaying some unreasonable malicious belief, is ludicrous and shows a level of intolerance that is disturbing.
I've been reading this thread for the past couple of days and I just want to respond to the bolded above. I'm a "born" woman, as I suppose Dark Octave would see it and I completely disagree with you on this. I have absolutely no problem at all considering Lexi as a real woman, not particularly different from me or any other woman. And if I remember correctly, at least one other "born" woman in this very thread said the same thing. If we consider them women then how can you say that it's disrespectful to the women in your life to not see them as women as well? I mean, physically we women run the gamut so I don't see that as the defining feature. Being a woman (or a man) is more than just sex bits. You can carve anything you want with the physical human body but it's something in the mind that makes the essence of a woman. I wish I was as eloquent as some of you have been during this thread, but I just couldn't read that argument any longer without responding.
The mind in itself is shaped by the person's biological sex which in turn orientates the person's gender.
I'm not saying I support this idea, but if this is what you believe, then it only seems logical that there could then be a biological default occur that causes the person's gender to be written incorrectly.
You said it was offensive to your mother for trans women to call themselves women. There is no way to wriggle out of that. Own it.I never singled you out in the malice way you make it sound. I never even mentioned your name.
You guys can talk all about gender being in the mind and soul if you want to. But the physical evidence is in the genes. They don't lie and cannot be altered. If you posses a "Y" chromosome, then physically you are a man. No knife or drug can ever change that.
Lexi, I would never disrespect you and call you anything other than what you would want me to call you (example: This is Lexi. She is a woman), but I can never truly think of you as a 100% true woman the same as I do when I see the women in my life. If you are a true 100% woman, then what are they, 110% true woman? You are not equal when it comes to womanhood. As I said before, the majority of the men in this thread strongly agree with me on this. They have expressed that they feel the exact same way. The difference is that maybe I am more direct about it.
For me, this is just a thread in passing that I'm sharing my opinion in, but for you, it's your everyday reality and if I was insensitive maybe I need to work on my delivery in the future but I'm not sorry about what I said and am saying here now.
I don't think I have ever called anyone out of their name in the 4 or 5 years of me being on these forums. Yet you guys feel you have the right to directly insult me and call me names out of malice. I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours. Lets keep this a discussion and not a personal bashing.
I've been reading this thread for the past couple of days and I just want to respond to the bolded above. I'm a "born" woman, as I suppose Dark Octave would see it and I completely disagree with you on this. I have absolutely no problem at all considering Lexi as a real woman, not particularly different from me or any other woman. And if I remember correctly, at least one other "born" woman in this very thread said the same thing. If we consider them women then how can you say that it's disrespectful to the women in your life to not see them as women as well? I mean, physically we women run the gamut so I don't see that as the defining feature. Being a woman (or a man) is more than just sex bits. You can carve anything you want with the physical human body but it's something in the mind that makes the essence of a woman. I wish I was as eloquent as some of you have been during this thread, but I just couldn't read that argument any longer without responding.
You said it was offensive to your mother for trans women to call themselves women. There is no way to wriggle out of that. Own it.
And you think the chromosomes is all that constitutes gender? You got some learning to do, boy.
Thanks for this post.
hmm.
Whatever you say buddy
You are not equal when it comes to womanhood.
As I said before, the majority of the men in this thread strongly agree with me on this.
You can't say boy! You don't know their chromosomes yet!
Dark Octave said:As I said before, the majority of the men in this thread strongly agree with me on this.
I'm going back to lurk mode. After I go make nachos. at this point itt transGAF vs "transphobic" GAF. (And later the world.)
This thread btw is excellent if you want to practice how far you can take your transphobia without being banned. It's like Russian Roulette, only with no bullets in the chamber!
You being a gay man, and other people in this thread being transsexuals, you guys might be more used to having a more "conscious" way of dealing with attraction (or you might not, I don't know); all I know is that as a straight male, I'd be vary wary of opening that Pandora's box, that is taking such a deliberate approach to what should be attractive to me and what shouldn't.
I never singled you out in the malice way you make it sound. I never even mentioned your name.
You guys can talk all about gender being in the mind and soul if you want to. But the physical evidence is in the genes. They don't lie and cannot be altered. If you posses a "Y" chromosome, then physically you are a man. No knife or drug can ever change that.
Lexi, I would never disrespect you and call you anything other than what you would want me to call you (example: This is Lexi. She is a woman), but I can never truly think of you as a 100% true woman the same as I do when I see the women in my life. If you are a true 100% woman, then what are they, 110% true woman? You are not equal when it comes to womanhood. As I said before, the majority of the men in this thread strongly agree with me on this. They have expressed that they feel the exact same way. The difference is that maybe I am more direct about it.
For me, this is just a thread in passing that I'm sharing my opinion in, but for you, it's your everyday reality and if I was insensitive maybe I need to work on my delivery in the future but I'm not sorry about what I said and am saying here now.
I don't think I have ever called anyone out of their name in the 4 or 5 years of me being on these forums. Yet you guys feel you have the right to directly insult me and call me names out of malice. I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours. Lets keep this a discussion and not a personal bashing.