Frozenprince
Banned
Daredevil has waaaaaaay too much blood for a PG-13.
The sound effects alone pull it to R. You hear bones snap and sinews tear.
Daredevil has waaaaaaay too much blood for a PG-13.
The projections bottomed from $1.25B to less than $900M.
That's basically their entire profit margin.
There is no goodwill, there never was or will ever be. I'm convinced people, critics and some Marvel fans will have hated this film even if it was mildly good. DC can never win with these people no matter what they do.
THEY WANT IT TO FAIL. THEY LOVE TO GLOAT AT ALL THINGS GOING BAD AT DC.
Heck even Dark knight trilogy which is universally acclaimed has some of these people biting their tongues. "Oh it's not a real superhero film - just a Mann film with someone dressed up as Batman".
Feel sorry for WB. The one studio who isn't afraid to take risks and back innovators like Nolan and Wachowski sisters projects no matter what. Feel this might spell the demise for them if they don't sort it out.
Even Bale could be funny occasionally as Bruce. Compared to Affleck who just sounds like an asshole.
Well, they don't mean all that much. It wouldn't be doing anywhere near as good as it is now if they mattered a lot. I mean, this is extremely badly reviewed movie. And it's still going to make about billion.
I think negative word of mouth was a lot more damaging here, considering the drop-off.
That's because of the insane costs and marketing. It's ridiculous to make movies that can't make huge money with even 700mln box office. And here we are with one that needs like a billion to not become a flop. Like..holly hell. That's just so crazy.
There were a handful of people who made predictions inline with this, including myself a couple times.I don't think even GAF predicted such a big drop!
Cause most people here believe that reviews mean nothing at all to box office.
You are looking at it too black and white.Sure, a billion plus was expected but how on earth is $900 million not leading to great profit. What the hell did they spend the money on?
Did the flim cost $500 million to make with $400 million advertising on top?
That's just it, the DCEU needs someone who loves the characters & the world as much as Feige loves Marvel's characters & its world to spearhead the DCEU as a whole. My main concern is that, even if Suicide Squad turns out to be awesome (which I'm hopeful for), there's the chance that Justice League Part 1 will be in the same situation as BvS.This pretty much, WB/DC are playing catch up to Marvel MCU but are failing to understand how Marvel got it right.
Marvel spent years building up their MCU from the start of Iron Man and carefully laid the foundation while teasing the audience that the movie will tie together at the end of the movie.
Marvel also has Kevin Feige who is carefully crafting the MCU and is involve with each movie.
WB/DC however is just chasing after that Avenger money but doesn't want to take the time to invest in setting up the DCCU.
Here's what I think that they should have done;
-Instead of Batman vs Superman make Man of Steel 2 but it follows the event of Man of Steels and this movie establish how the world handles Superman, the DCCU version of Lex Luther played by a better actor and explore the dynamic of Superman and Lex Luther's relationship.
-Follow Man of Steel 2 with a Batman movie but tie in the Nolan Batman universe in as well as that would help show that the game have changed that instead of dealing with crazy freak there are now aliens and meta humans, plus it removes the need of having to another origin story.
--Then do a Wonder Woman movie set in 1918 and we explore why she turned her back on humanity.
-Then do Batman Vs Superman but call it Batman/Superman: Dawn of Justice and with a better script with them fighting in the middle of the movie and then them understanding one another.
That image is so stupid, Batman Vs Superman bombing doesn't mean that the golden age of Superheroes movie isn't dead it just means that Batman Vs Superman was a bad movie and is getting panned because of that.
Oh. That makes sense. Still would be nice if they actually said that during the show. Geez
There is no goodwill, there never was or will ever be. I'm convinced people, critics and some Marvel fans will have hated this film even if it was mildly good. DC can never win with these people no matter what they do.
THEY WANT IT TO FAIL. THEY LOVE TO GLOAT AT ALL THINGS GOING BAD AT DC.
Heck even Dark knight trilogy which is universally acclaimed has some of these people biting their tongues. "Oh it's not a real superhero film - just a Mann film with someone dressed up as Batman".
Feel sorry for WB. The one studio who isn't afraid to take risks and back innovators like Nolan and Wachowski sisters projects no matter what. Feel this might spell the demise for them if they don't sort it out.
Daredevil has waaaaaaay too much blood for a PG-13.
I've always understood that the problems dealt with in Hell's Kitchen are simply too small scale to bother involving The Avengers. They're more concerned with global catastrophe and the logistics of handling other superhumans. (Though frankly, Killgrave could have become a global threat if he got in control of somebody like Thor)
That's just it, Purple Man was thinking too small. He could have just waltzed over to the New Avengers facility (probably by bus or taxi), took control of some heavy-hitters like Scarlet Witch, come back to Hell's Kitchen & have the place live up to the name.I've always understood that the problems dealt with in Hell's Kitchen are simply too small scale to bother involving The Avengers. They're more concerned with global catastrophe and the logistics of handling other superhumans. (Though frankly, Killgrave could have become a global threat if he got in control of somebody like Thor)
The film was designed out of the gate with the assumption that it would do over a billion because why wouldn't it? Even the absolutely terrible ASM2 managed 700+ million. So that's what they designed the costs and marketing to assume.
it was perfectly possible to make a BvS that would be profitable at 700 million worldwide. DC/Warner just didn't do that.
Batman wasn't the problem for me. All the Superman bits were god awful. It's like Zack Snyder actually hates the Superman character. Dark, brooding, boring, lacking in believable motivation, lacking in emotion except for anger and "brown chicken brown cow" in the bathtub.
What a historic collapse. It's going be fascinating to see how WB responds, because they have to respond if they want this franchise to work. They can't build a cinematic universe with Snyder at the helm. Not beyond the opening weekend their marketing can buy.
Dropping from $1b+ to the ~$850m it's now tracking to is huge because that's about the level WB needed to break even on this. So they're watching their box office profits collapse. Making money when it hits video was not the plan.
The film was designed out of the gate with the assumption that it would do over a billion because why wouldn't it? Even the absolutely terrible ASM2 managed 700+ million. So that's what they designed the costs and marketing to assume.
it was perfectly possible to make a BvS that would be profitable at 700 million worldwide. DC/Warner just didn't do that.
Yeah, some weird views of Superman. I'm not a DC reader, but doesn't Supes represent hope? In this, I got the idea that he was seen as a nuke that we had to destroy. I think Batman said something about if there's even a 1 percent chance of him being a threat he had to be put down.
Yup..just put Batman in the nameYou can make a profitable Batman movie without even thinking.
Sure, a billion plus was expected but how on earth is $900 million not leading to great profit. What the hell did they spend the money on?
Did the flim cost $500 million to make with $400 million advertising on top?
Yeah, some weird views of Superman. I'm not a DC reader, but doesn't Supes represent hope? In this, I got the idea that he was seen as a nuke that we had to destroy. I think Batman said something about if there's even a 1 percent chance of him being a threat he had to be put down.
Yeah, some weird views of Superman. I'm not a DC reader, but doesn't Supes represent hope? In this, I got the idea that he was seen as a nuke that we had to destroy. I think Batman said something about if there's even a 1 percent chance of him being a threat he had to be put down.
Few years back DC wanted to make a series of lower budget (we're talking like 50-70 mln) movies about smaller characters like Deathstroke. Shame that got destroyed for the sake of bombastic uber productions.
That trailer had me sooo pumped..The sad thing is that the first trailer for Man of Steel represents everything Superman should be about. It feels serious, even a bit somber, but also dignified and full of hope. Superman shouldn't be a funny movie, but it doesn't mean it should be sad. Instead it should feel inspirational.
The movie is about denouncing that mindset; Batman is the wrong party in the conflict.
Of course, movie is really bad about telling that story. Like, really bad.
That's pretty great
This gif is stupid, Batman often soars around Gotham.
That image is so stupid, Batman Vs Superman bombing doesn't mean that the golden age of Superheroes movie isn't dead it just means that Batman Vs Superman was a bad movie and is getting panned because of that.
This is so accurate, it hurts.
That's just it, Purple Man was thinking too small. He could have just waltzed over to the New Avengers facility (probably by bus or taxi), took control of some heavy-hitters like Scarlet Witch, come back to Hell's Kitchen & have the place live up to the name.Thor went back to Asgard, & I'm not sure if Vision could be affected by Purple Man's mind control.
Kilgrave being small scale was fantastic. He kept out of the public eye and lived a life of luxury. Who needs that world conquering bullshit?
I guess that makes sense. It gave Purple Man a bit a mystery within Hell's Kitchen since he didn't walk around sending heavy-hitters everywhere (which I enjoyed).Kilgrave being small scale was fantastic. He kept out of the public eye and lived a life of luxury. Who needs that world conquering bullshit?
I've never seen a movie that felt so similar to reading a corporate checklist.
The email scene was one of the most insulting things I've ever seen in film. WB deserves this.
Oh right now I remember. I had to laugh in the theater when he scrolls through the email line by line.
Kilgrave being small scale was fantastic. He kept out of the public eye and lived a life of luxury. Who needs that world conquering bullshit?
The sad thing is that the first trailer for Man of Steel represents everything Superman should be about. It feels serious, even a bit somber, but also dignified and full of hope. Superman shouldn't be a funny movie, but it doesn't mean it should be sad. Instead it should feel inspirational.
Oh right now I remember. I had to laugh in the theater when he scrolls through the email line by line.
The logos are the best part.
Like, how the fuck does he have logos for them? Did Bruce spend like an hour in Photoshop making individual logos for these random CIA files he found?
That was a movie made for trailers. Too bad that none of the themes floated in the trailer were even remotely successfully executed in the movie.The sad thing is that the first trailer for Man of Steel represents everything Superman should be about. It feels serious, even a bit somber, but also dignified and full of hope. Superman shouldn't be a funny movie, but it doesn't mean it should be sad. Instead it should feel inspirational.