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BREXIT MAFIA | Pro-Having Our Lynch And Pro-Eating It
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Updated Claims:
zeemumu: Vanilla
Flame: Vanilla
Ouro: Miller
Splinter: Roleblocker
Milk: Vanilla
Fire:
Kawl:
BSB: Vanilla
Crab: Doctor
Zipped: Vanilla
Poltergust: Vanilla
KK: Some kind of cop
batsnacks: Doublevoter
nin1000: Vanilla
Gorlak: Scum Thunderdomer
Kalor: Scum Vanilla Cop
CCS: Neutral JOAT
7/17 Vanilla claims
5/17 Town PR claims
zeemumu: Vanilla
Flame: Vanilla
Ouro: Miller
Splinter: Roleblocker
Milk: Vanilla
Fire:
Kawl:
BSB: Vanilla
Crab: Doctor
Zipped: Vanilla
Poltergust: Vanilla
KK: Some kind of cop
batsnacks: Doublevoter
nin1000: Vanilla
Gorlak: Scum Thunderdomer
Kalor: Scum Vanilla Cop
CCS: Neutral JOAT
7/17 Vanilla claims
5/17 Town PR claims
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Hey, that wasn't defensive. :/
Don't think I've been particularly defensive this game, but I will defend myself from Polter making completely ridiculous connections based on not understanding how a role would work or why it would be insane to have (like a vanilla cop that can also somehow check alignment).
I dunno how likely this is. It is true that they are both my biggest scum reads (well, before Splinter's roleclaim at least) and if they were against the wall and anticipating that one of them would be inevitably lynched today this is something they should do, but hmm. Not sure if it's likely enough that we should lynch Zeemumu just to check against that.
I hope Ouro is right and Splinter is the neutral
that's what you're hinting at, right Ouro? I do think that Splinter not providing a list of who he targeted on previous nights suspicious.
I dunno how likely this is. It is true that they are both my biggest scum reads (well, before Splinter's roleclaim at least) and if they were against the wall and anticipating that one of them would be inevitably lynched today this is something they should do, but hmm. Not sure if it's likely enough that we should lynch Zeemumu just to check against that.
I hope Ouro is right and Splinter is the neutral
I do think that Splinter not providing a list of who he targeted on previous nights suspicious.
If Splinter is the neutral then claim. Splinter likely didn't provide a list because they don't have one, all they probably have is a few one/two shot abilities like CCS.
I'm not saying both are scum for sure, but the fact that no one else brought it up is making me nervous.
I hope Ouro is right and Splinter is the neutral
I do think that Splinter not providing a list of who he targeted on previous nights suspicious.
Si and si
Both my posts and Ouro's had at least a bit of an "if he's telling the truth" disclaimer. I'm considering it but again, it requires that 2 scum are left, for both of them to be them and for me and most to have been reading them correctly as scum.
Either he's scum and using me to buy himself time or we're both town.
Huh. This is quite the turn from yesterday's "neutral should come forward" statements.
The only way I'm not buying a neutral claim is if it gets counterclaimed.
It's the exact same. Neutral should come forward, but bringing a little (lottle) proof will make everything easier for everyone involved, town/scum/neutral.
Claims list:
zeemumu: Vanilla
Flame: Vanilla
Ouro: Miller
Splinter: Roleblocker
Milk: Vanilla
Fire: Vanilla
Kawl: vanilla
BSB: Vanilla
Crab: Doctor
Zipped: Vanilla
Poltergust: Vanilla
KK: Some kind of cop
batsnacks: Doublevoter
nin1000: Vanilla
Gorlak: Scum Thunderdomer
Kalor: Scum Vanilla Cop
CCS: Neutral JOAT
9/17 Vanilla claims
5/17 Town PR claims
If we assume that Splinter is telling the truth and is at best a town roleblocker and at worst the neutral, then zeemumu should be cleared Town (if there is only one scum, which is my current assumption). I don't think Splinter would do some sort of gambit here, but who knows.
That leaves myself, Fire, Flame, Kawl, and Milk.
I'm still a Miller, so don't expect some sort of Phoenix Wright-style breakdown if you decide to mislynch me.
Fire...I've been agreeing with his reasoning a fair amount, so either he's doing a really good job being townie or he's likely Town.
Flame had the Thunderdome thing with Gorlak. Chances of him being scum are low, but definitely not zero.
That leaves Kawl and Milk, two players who basically just exist.
Thoughts? If we are at 5-1-1, we get one mislynch before LyLo (not MyLo since the neutral can cause a tie).
zeemumu: Vanilla
Flame: Vanilla
Ouro: Miller
Splinter: Roleblocker
Milk: Vanilla
Fire: Vanilla
Kawl: vanilla
BSB: Vanilla
Crab: Doctor
Zipped: Vanilla
Poltergust: Vanilla
KK: Some kind of cop
batsnacks: Doublevoter
nin1000: Vanilla
Gorlak: Scum Thunderdomer
Kalor: Scum Vanilla Cop
CCS: Neutral JOAT
9/17 Vanilla claims
5/17 Town PR claims
If we assume that Splinter is telling the truth and is at best a town roleblocker and at worst the neutral, then zeemumu should be cleared Town (if there is only one scum, which is my current assumption). I don't think Splinter would do some sort of gambit here, but who knows.
That leaves myself, Fire, Flame, Kawl, and Milk.
I'm still a Miller, so don't expect some sort of Phoenix Wright-style breakdown if you decide to mislynch me.
Fire...I've been agreeing with his reasoning a fair amount, so either he's doing a really good job being townie or he's likely Town.
Flame had the Thunderdome thing with Gorlak. Chances of him being scum are low, but definitely not zero.
That leaves Kawl and Milk, two players who basically just exist.
Thoughts? If we are at 5-1-1, we get one mislynch before LyLo (not MyLo since the neutral can cause a tie).
What part of "Beige alert" don't you people understand?
Yes I'm the neutral
My full list of night actions is as follows:
N6 or whatever: block zeemumu
other nights: @£#*CLASSIFIED#"*-FORNEUTRALEYESONLY#&£"+LOL#YOLO_:#'"!
Message to scum
If there is one of you, you need two more mislynches to win. If you kill me you'd need three mislynches, so don't do it, k? Sorry for clearing zeemumu, that's the last bit of PR help town will get from me, promise.
Oh and if there are two of you we win tomorrow, wouldn't that be great?
No idea who you are, but your kill priority should be something like zeemumu >>> Ouro > whoever isn't you or me.
Message to town
We have probably two chances to find the last scum. You can trust me to be honest, although not necessarily helpful, depends how I'm feeling. I don't have any more useful PR info for you, but feel free to waste the rest of the day asking for it if you don't want to win.
My money is on flame being scum. Thunderdome would have been a wild gambit but you have to consider the facts that 1) Gorlak was forced to use his power and 2) without a thunderdome flame would almost certainly have been lynched anyway, so from scum's POV it might have made sense for Gorlak to be able to claim responsibility at end game and he'd probably have won. This is actually a better explanation for Gorlak not wanting to claim straight away: he would have been "cleared" as town by flame's flip and his continued survival would eventually be suspicious.
Guess I was feeling helpful right now congratulations 👍
Don't fuck this up.
Or do, whatever.
Yes I'm the neutral
My full list of night actions is as follows:
N6 or whatever: block zeemumu
other nights: @£#*CLASSIFIED#"*-FORNEUTRALEYESONLY#&£"+LOL#YOLO_:#'"!
Message to scum
If there is one of you, you need two more mislynches to win. If you kill me you'd need three mislynches, so don't do it, k? Sorry for clearing zeemumu, that's the last bit of PR help town will get from me, promise.
Oh and if there are two of you we win tomorrow, wouldn't that be great?
No idea who you are, but your kill priority should be something like zeemumu >>> Ouro > whoever isn't you or me.
Message to town
We have probably two chances to find the last scum. You can trust me to be honest, although not necessarily helpful, depends how I'm feeling. I don't have any more useful PR info for you, but feel free to waste the rest of the day asking for it if you don't want to win.
My money is on flame being scum. Thunderdome would have been a wild gambit but you have to consider the facts that 1) Gorlak was forced to use his power and 2) without a thunderdome flame would almost certainly have been lynched anyway, so from scum's POV it might have made sense for Gorlak to be able to claim responsibility at end game and he'd probably have won. This is actually a better explanation for Gorlak not wanting to claim straight away: he would have been "cleared" as town by flame's flip and his continued survival would eventually be suspicious.
Guess I was feeling helpful right now congratulations 👍
Don't fuck this up.
Or do, whatever.
OK, I buy it. I was right when I said maybe the neutral wasn't coming forward because his power was super useful to town, so go me. I'm going to say that scum are so at the brink of losing that you could tell us everything and still not be at risk because of how killing you would delay their win, but fine, Splinter, play it however you want. Plus you probably had some limited number of shots like CCS.
I don't know if I buy Flame as scum. The scum-only thunderdome gambit might indeed have been a thing. I guess I'll have to take it more seriously. I'm not even sure about Ouro either but he's brought up some good points like potentially having claimed miller on D1 without checking in with his team so I think I'll just trust him for the rest of the game. If it's between Kawl and Milk I'd probably vote for Milk first but that's because of inactivity so it'd be a very bad vote.
I wonder what to look for in a game where scum can't communicate during the day. Are they most likely to try and remain on the sidelines? Have a leader call the shots? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
I don't know if I buy Flame as scum. The scum-only thunderdome gambit might indeed have been a thing. I guess I'll have to take it more seriously. I'm not even sure about Ouro either but he's brought up some good points like potentially having claimed miller on D1 without checking in with his team so I think I'll just trust him for the rest of the game. If it's between Kawl and Milk I'd probably vote for Milk first but that's because of inactivity so it'd be a very bad vote.
I wonder what to look for in a game where scum can't communicate during the day. Are they most likely to try and remain on the sidelines? Have a leader call the shots? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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DAY 7 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Ourobolus (1)
Spoiled Milk 1769
No active vote for Day 7: *Splinter, Fireblend, Flame_AC, Kawl_USC, Ourobolus, zeemumu
Day 7 Postcount: *Splinter 6, Fireblend 9, Flame_AC 4, Kawl_USC 1, Ourobolus 15, Spoiled Milk 2, zeemumu 4
Day 7 ends:
Automated vote tally here
4 votes for majority
Ourobolus (1)
Spoiled Milk 1769
No active vote for Day 7: *Splinter, Fireblend, Flame_AC, Kawl_USC, Ourobolus, zeemumu
Day 7 Postcount: *Splinter 6, Fireblend 9, Flame_AC 4, Kawl_USC 1, Ourobolus 15, Spoiled Milk 2, zeemumu 4
Day 7 ends:
Automated vote tally here
4 votes for majority
For me it goes Milk -> Flame -> Kawl
I'm going to say I'd be ok with a Flame lynch though, for two reasons: I feel less sure about the possibility of the thunderdome having been a dual-scum gambit than I am about Kawl going after Gorlak when he claimed, I just don't think scum would have bused Gorlak at that point - the order in the votes there might be relevant though, I'm gonna double check.
Also, this is pure conjecture on my part, but if Splinter has blocked Milk or Kawl in the last couple of days, that could have informed his decision in naming Flame as his highest scum read.
I'm going to say I'd be ok with a Flame lynch though, for two reasons: I feel less sure about the possibility of the thunderdome having been a dual-scum gambit than I am about Kawl going after Gorlak when he claimed, I just don't think scum would have bused Gorlak at that point - the order in the votes there might be relevant though, I'm gonna double check.
Also, this is pure conjecture on my part, but if Splinter has blocked Milk or Kawl in the last couple of days, that could have informed his decision in naming Flame as his highest scum read.
I never went back after Kalor flipped to see his connections. On D1 Flame was the first one the bring up the "how many scum are there" discussion...not sure why I discounted it at the time even though I went hard after Polter on it. Kalor also voted for Milk at the end in order to ensure there wasn't (or was?) a tie versus Flame.
Nin was an obvious lynch for D2 so I don't know if I can really examine the votes there but I'll go back and look
Nin was an obvious lynch for D2 so I don't know if I can really examine the votes there but I'll go back and look
Lynching me will lose town the game, no doubt in my mind about that.
Ouro, you're a better player than defaulting to lynching me. If you're of the idea that it is a coin flip (50/50) between Spoiled Milk and Kawl, why not lynch one today, then the other tomorrow. That gives you a guarantee of hitting both your prime targets.
Ouro, you're a better player than defaulting to lynching me. If you're of the idea that it is a coin flip (50/50) between Spoiled Milk and Kawl, why not lynch one today, then the other tomorrow. That gives you a guarantee of hitting both your prime targets.
And let's look at this. Gorlak had Kalor as "null," and everyone that is still alive (except for myself and Splinter) is null or lean scum or scum.
Zee is cleared by Splinter, so everyone else was a "lean scum/scum" read by Gorlak. Time to look for some early bussing.
I feel like some of this is very oddly phrased. Sounds like you're ignoring me in your win/lose calculations - or do you agree with Ouro that I'm most likely town and better left out of the equation?
That post sounds more like you're trying to cut a deal with Ouro based on what he has said he thinks, rather than trying to win through what you actually believe.
Also, lynching you won't necessarily lose us the game. Why are you so sure that your mislynch would be lose us the game, but not mislynching Kawl or Milk? All of you have claimed the same, after all.
I'm arguing Ouro's point with Ouro. I would put you in there over Spoiled Milk probably.
I know my role, so me dying today puts us in the mess tomorrow. Town will pick the wrong person out of two and then that'll be it.
Over Spoiled Milk? So you think if we lynch Milk and then Kawl, that's not a 100% guarantee that we'd win? I find it weird that you're arguing against your lynch by trying to pressure another player into a strategy you're not that confident of, just to save your own skin. Say we mislynch someone other than you today - then what? How are the net results any different for tomorrow? Will you suddenly have a revelation tomorrow and know who's scum?
What are your own, original content do not steal thoughts?
And splinter I had a question: before there was one scum left, had you decided to reveal yourself to aid town and help yourself win, what would have stopped the scum from lynching you as well since you were a town ally and it would've helped them move closer to the 50% of the vote goal anyway?
I assume you mean night kill instead of lynch?
Because I can vote with scum, I can potentially help them end the game a day earlier.
Suppose there are 4 players remaining, 2 town 1 neutral 1 scum. Neutral and scum can vote together to force a tie, then scum kills town in the night to win the game.
Now suppose scum had previously killed the neutral instead of town, there would be 3 town and 1 scum. Scum has to survive another lynch to win the game.
???
They would have decided on it overnight as a plan to clear Gorlak, which clearly went sideways.
ah okay
It's you, Spoiled Milk, or Kawl. If we trust Splinter and the roleblock of zeemumu, it has to be one of those three (unless Ouro). The last scum could be Spoiled Milk, but again I question the likelihood of that. Consider this post right here:
That post was made quite literally at the day end, so much so that it wasn't counted. In the situation, why would scum Kalor go ahead and vote their own teammate without some earlier bussing strategy which couldn't have been planned yet? All Kalor had to do was vote me instead and save their scum teammate. All those day end votes were a mess anyways, so the vote for me could have easily been justified. Now to me, this seems like pretty solid reasoning why Spoiled Milk is town, do y'all agree? I hadn't actually noticed this until I went back to the end of day 1 votes to see where people ended up after some role flips.
We get, at most, two days to do this lynch right. I think Spoiled Milk is town (probably). Leaves Kawl, Fireblend, myself, and Ouro as not having super good town cred.
I think my case for townhood has been made several times already. So that gives you Kawl, Fireblend, and miller Ouro.
The best thing Ouro has said all game is that he wouldn't have claimed miller as scum on Day 1 without talking to his teammates and especially not once they knew about Gorlak's role. So I'd pick Kawl/Fireblend lynch to win over the next 2 days.
That's... Actually a good point about Milk, Flame. Thanks! That makes me a bit more sure about wanting to vote you, but it does make me reconsider my read of Kawl more too.
But then again, this post makes me feel good about Kawl:
Thoughts?
But then again, this post makes me feel good about Kawl:
Not only votes for Gorlak, but also names Kalor as scum. If it's a scum play, it's a ballsy one.
Thoughts?
I knew my post would help you out. Would scum me do that? I think Kawl is willing enough to play a more solo-oriented scum. I'm sure the discussion during the previous night was that Kawl would play town-oriented and that he'd go after Gorlak if his case looked weak, which it did. The mention of Kalor is nice and all, but scum hitting other scum isn't that big of a deal. It'd almost be worse if Kawl let Kalor slide in all that. Fastforward to the start of the next day and here you come with your prepared post:
I'm wondering what's made you change your mind so drastically, from the top town candidate to the number one(two?) scum?
Why not Fireblend?
It wouldn't make sense to have this going on to clear Kawl while also throwing flame under the bus to clear Gorlak.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I like this post and agree regarding zeemumu and Splinter, but I don't want to assume Splinter is telling the truth.
Also, between me and Kawl, I vote for Kawl.
We've got my post above explaining why Spoiled Milk is town. That's the end of the list of unknown Me voters. Looks to me like you've got Kawl and Fireblend all alone, sitting on the end of the thunderdome trying to look townie by lynching their teammate. One way or another, the scum member bussed Gorlak, was it Kawl who threw shade at Kalor as well, or Fireblend who had to come in on the next day and try and look good?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Btw I'm sorry I didn't post yesterday, I was in jail. (I'm actually scum irl)
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