I guess this is revenge for all the "X1 60fps games, PS4 30fps games. What power advantage?"
It's a bit petty, but when everyone's being petty I guess it evens out.
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Capcom: "We're targeting 30fps"; working with MS to improve Dead Rising 3
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I guess this is revenge for all the "X1 60fps games, PS4 30fps games. What power advantage?"
It's a bit petty, but when everyone's being petty I guess it evens out.
BRocknRolla
Member
Might want to get your eyes checked. I think they might be dropping frames.
On topic; Dead Rising 3 has looked rough from the start. I'm not surprised they're going for 30fps, but anything below that for the start of this generation would be very bad. Maybe it was just bad PR on their part, but I would have said, "It will be 30fps," not, "We're targeting 30fps."
Targeting is a completely common phrase, I didn't take it as negative here. But yeah, I have seen the drops in the footage, but I also realize none of these games are finished and technical sides like that are always finalized near the end.
SEGAvangelist
Member
If it takes a delay to polish this game to perfection, I agree. The game looks too fun to be plagued by graphics issues.
Chaplain
Member
Michael Pachter said, for a few years, that MS was suppose to launch in 2014. Seems like he was right.
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
I am kinda sad though, because this is definitely the most interesting Xbone exclusive for me.
Whenever you encounter the swarm of zombies the FPS just plummet so they will probably reduce the number of zombies.
They probably went overboard with amount of enemies on screen.
If they ship like this it will only harm the franchise and player's experience.
Whenever you encounter the swarm of zombies the FPS just plummet so they will probably reduce the number of zombies.
They probably went overboard with amount of enemies on screen.
If they ship like this it will only harm the franchise and player's experience.
Nightengale
Member
I think there's a wrong perception here.
We're shitting on Capcom's incompetence, not at XB1.
*tips out a 40*
Pseudo judo
Member
Really...you found that "powa of da cloud" joke funny? How long have you been here? This is an X1 thread and you really didn't see that lame "joke" coming?
Rebel Leader
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You must hate movies =p
mysteriousmage09
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Here's the thread from a couple days ago with more.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=656195
Game sure as shit isn't 1080p either.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Wonder if he's seen Titanfall.
Portugeezer
Member
They're going to cut the number of zombies or suffer framerate problems. I don't expect miracles for a 1.2Tflop launch game with 3 months left of development.
Most games will probably be 1080p and 30 FPS. Nothing sad about it, sometimes to achieve better visual fidelity, they drop frame rate, while keeping it stable at 30.
It sounds like this game's bottleneck is not the GPU but the CPU, due to the sheer number of animated AI-zombies and interactive elements in the world. As that is a gameplay element, it cannot be downscaled or removed as easily as purely visual elements. I wouldn't disdain the developers lightly based on screenshots.
On the back of the box
"For your better experience - set ZOOM 1 on your TV"
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perineumlick
Member
Same development team, so I'm thinking same damn thing.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Everyone laughed back in 2011 when he said Microsoft isn't going to launch without a good framerate for Dead Rising.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Wouldn't be much different. The DR team has proven they're terrible with providing solid frame rates. This is not a hardware issue, this is an issue of incompetence from the developers.
I do think CPU is the problem here, not GPU, but I am no game dev. Whenever physics happen with lots of zombies the game's struggling to hold up.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
No double standards.
If it looks good at 30fps, I'll take it. Some people seem to be okay with this being 30 but have nerves to say DriveClub being at 30 is unacceptable as they are adding more detail because that's their design choice.
If it looks good at 30fps, I'll take it. Some people seem to be okay with this being 30 but have nerves to say DriveClub being at 30 is unacceptable as they are adding more detail because that's their design choice.
Screamapillar
Member
C'mon... it's a next-gen system and they can't even get 30fps with a launch game?
Seriously, that's really bad.
Games shouldn't be hitting the power ceiling before launch, that shouldn't happen until mid-way through a console's lifespan.
So, for the sake of Xbox One, I really hope this is just a matter of engine efficiency and not a telling sign that Xbox One is already facing "horsepower" issues.
Seriously, that's really bad.
Games shouldn't be hitting the power ceiling before launch, that shouldn't happen until mid-way through a console's lifespan.
So, for the sake of Xbox One, I really hope this is just a matter of engine efficiency and not a telling sign that Xbox One is already facing "horsepower" issues.
Which is funny considering the venom directed toward companies in general for not being more honest/candid about announcements. This seems like the studio behind a game being pretty candid. I sort of like it.
If he said low 20s then yes I guess. I would not question that comment then.
Edit: I might have miss interpreted your point, and you might me agreeing with me. Opps.
The more you drop frames the more you give up temporal resolution. If games were static based it be nice be it's the opposite you're trading iq and performance for benefit that is negated by the low frames.
The main comment is hyperbole but the base point remains it's slow to look at. Be it 60fps or 120fps there are plenty of comparison sites side by side show the problems with 30fps in motion. I wouldn't use slideshow myself but describing choppiness is nothing new to me.
lol wut
Yes, we know some people shit up Xbox One threads, but lumping together any sort of criticism as blind hate is ignoring why people are a bit pissed off here. The OP says they're targeting 30fps. Targeting. That alludes to the game running somewhat below that - that's pretty bad no matter how you spin it.
Anyway, hopefully they can meet their target by launch.
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
I am okay with locked 30 FPS.
But what if they didn't reach they target?
Targeting 30 FPS and the possibility of 20 FPS gameplay for the most part is just bad.
Portugeezer
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dorkimoe
Gold Member
haha Yeah ok.
to remain consistent with my comments on frame rate in other threads, 30fps is cool with me this gen if you crank shit up to eleven in terms of whats actually in those frames.
"Targeting 30" sounds alarming because there is no soft landing spot if you miss. Target 60 and miss, you still have locked 30 with tons of stuff (sparks, snow flakes...zombies etc)
Probably would have chosen different wording if they could have said that again.
"Targeting 30" sounds alarming because there is no soft landing spot if you miss. Target 60 and miss, you still have locked 30 with tons of stuff (sparks, snow flakes...zombies etc)
Probably would have chosen different wording if they could have said that again.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Imagine if the console came out last year? Arthur Gies was really insistent of that.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
It's the zombie AI, there's so much computational resources reserved just for that, it's going to be tough to get it to 30fps unless they make the zombies dumber.
Various Artists
Banned
Seems like 20FPS should be easily obtainable. Hope they arent having a ton of problems with development. I liked the first 2 quirks and all.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Sharing those same feels about the CPU. Also... Capcom.
Marty Chinn
Member
Different genres result in different expected framerates. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Clearly you don't know anything about development. I could make "Hello World" run at 10fps on a PS4.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Please stop this lame excuse. If your mad about it, blame Microsoft for making themselves a joke. Not people who point it out... and what does this have to do with the conversation?
I wouldn't say it's ridiculous because 30fps doesn't make the game unplayable or graphically inferior. However if they are trying to target 30fps, it's a lot different than saying they are trying to target 60fps. One should be a default and the other shouldn't take so much time getting to seeing as we are speaking about how powerful both systems are.
Was anyone really expecting locked 60FPS for a huge open world game with lots of stuff going on?
I don't know anything about the Jaguar microarchitecture but maybe that is the problem. Dead Rising and Dead Rising 2 both had framerate dips(PS3 version even more so) because so much was going on.
I don't know anything about the Jaguar microarchitecture but maybe that is the problem. Dead Rising and Dead Rising 2 both had framerate dips(PS3 version even more so) because so much was going on.
RedAssedApe
Banned
aren't u guys used to 30fps by now. it was pretty much the industry standard for current gen consoles outside of COD and a few less graphical demanding games 
I know this set of hardware is easier to work with, but the idea they've already hit 100% efficiency is...well, it's just idiotic. It's a launch game with a ton of enemy units on the screen. They're going to have issues other games don't, and that future games won't have.
Fried Food
Banned
IMO sub-30fps is unacceptable next gen. I'm not buying a game (new) that can't meet 30fps locked.
I probably will
BRocknRolla
Member
Sure, I can see what you mean by that. However, if the PR strategy is to be honest, and being honest means admitting things like, "Yeah, the frame rate is probably going to be all over the place, but we're hoping to hit 30fps," or "Yeah, we won't be in 1080p either," I think that's a pretty bad plan for selling the game. Maybe I come out of it thinking, "Those folks seem like nice people," but my ultimate conclusion is going to be, "I'm not going to buy that game." It seems like a bad PR strategy.
So I'm only commented on the PR under the assumption that they still want the game to sound good, and that the comments definitely don't convey that.