He deserved those death threats for stating facts, huh?
Trans people are murdered all the time for being trans.
Nobody cares about an childish millionaire getting a couple of meaningless death threats on twitter.
He deserved those death threats for stating facts, huh?
More manufactured anger by tumblr/twitter social justice warriors.
More manufactured anger by tumblr/twitter social justice warriors.
Trans people are murdered all the time for being trans.
Nobody cares about an childish millionaire getting a couple of death threats on twitter.
Do you think that trans people just happen to be "hypersensitive" or do you think that the people most hated by society probably do actually have more shit to resist and speak up about? Because the latter scenario is reality.
Then what is it? How is it that gender roles and clothing norms have changed over time if this is not a subjective phenomena? How is it that it can be divorced from biological sex in the first place?
Have the same studies been performed in both cases, or is it a foregone conclusion that those other people, the ones who believe they are Jesus or an anthropomorphic fennec fox, are simply crazy?
It seems obvious, which is why I would think we'd want to take care not to let preconceptions cloud the science.
Wait wait wait... so saying that women have vaginas is offensive?
Is saying men have dicks also offensive?
Did I log into bizarro GAF or something?
Yes. He's confusing the two. And people in this thread seem to also erronously think that they are the same. This is the differentiation:
Biological:
Sex: Male / Female / Hermaphrodite(intersex)
Cultural:
Gender: Man / Women / Etc (other esoteric cultures may further categorize but western/eastern trends toward the dyadic)
*I'm still a bit unclear as too the history of the issue, so I'm only going off the captures generously provided by other Gaffers. The above is correct though.
So it's okay to give out death threats to hetero normative cis gendered straight while males?
I can think of a lot more people society hates than transgendered.
that's fair but did he say anything offensive that was specifically targetted at transgender people, right? it sounds like he just uses 'woman' and 'man' to specify a persons biological sexuality. and it seems like the usage of 'woman' and 'man' still hasn't been properly redefined in a post-transgender society so that doesn't seem particularly unfair.
to further the point, i just googled the definition of 'woman':
wom·an
/ˈwo͝omən/
Noun
An adult human female.
it's woefully vague, all things considered.
Wait wait wait... so saying that women have vaginas is offensive?
Is saying men have dicks also offensive?
Did I log into bizarro GAF or something?
Looking at it from a Trans person's point of view, he's saying that you're not what you are (or think of yourself as), all because of the sexual organs you were born with. I can see where someone might take offense to that.
"Hey look mom, I can post strawman arguments on the internet!"
I think, and this is probably going to come off as a bit insensitive, but that gender has been a single thing for almost the entirety of the human race. There have been aberrations, but they were either ignored or ridiculed to the point of exclusion. But in trying to build a more inclusive society (a good thing - more or less unprecedented in human history), we now have to confront the ideas of gender identification and what that truly means.Transgender people and their staunch defenders are probably the most hypersensitive minority group I can think of. I honestly think some of them get off on being offended and trying to publicly shame people for not agreeing 100% with their view of the world.
Trans people are murdered all the time for being trans.
Nobody cares about an childish millionaire getting a couple of meaningless death threats on twitter.
Apparently it's fine if you send out death threats to people who are:
1- rich
2- white
3- males
why?
Wait...so just because he holds opinions which you don't agree with and because he has more money than you, death threats mean nothing? The fact that you lack the value of the life of those who you disagree with is very discomforting.
Mike is also known for being very Christian (he famously kicked Jerry out of his house for being an atheist), which might have influenced his comments.
Mike is also known for being very Christian (he famously kicked Jerry out of his house for being an atheist), which might have influenced his comments.
Wait wait wait... so saying that women have vaginas is offensive?
Is saying men have dicks also offensive?
Did I log into bizarro GAF or something?
Trans people are murdered all the time for being trans.
Nobody cares about an childish millionaire getting a couple of meaningless death threats on twitter.
But it isn't.
Nobody said that.
You are posting things that nobody said.
Hence, you are posting a strawman argument.
Nobody cares about an childish millionaire getting a couple of meaningless death threats on twitter.
Trans people are murdered all the time for being trans.
Nobody cares about an childish millionaire getting a couple of meaningless death threats on twitter.
Wait...so just because he holds opinions which you don't agree with and because he has more money than you, death threats mean nothing? The fact that you lack the value of the life of those who you disagree with is very discomforting.
So everything i learned in sex ed is wrong... thanks interent.
Am i reading wrong?
Wait...so just because he holds opinions which you don't agree with and because he has more money than you, death threats mean nothing? The fact that you lack the value of the life of those who you disagree with is very discomforting.
Am i reading wrong?
Always gets me and kind of sums up the point I guess (sex/gender/etc.).FRANCIS: Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN: I want to be one.
REG: What?
STAN: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.
REG: What?!
LORETTA: It's my right as a man.
JUDITH: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
LORETTA: I want to have babies.
REG: You want to have babies?!
LORETTA: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
REG: But... you can't have babies.
LORETTA: Don't you oppress me.
REG: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
LORETTA: (crying)
JUDITH: Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
REG: What's the point?
FRANCIS: What?
REG: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!
FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
REG: Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
But let's overlook all the charity PA does for sick children because someone said "boys have a penis" on twitter, cause that's basically as bad as saying all transgendered people should be lynched.
Looking at it from a Trans person's point of view, he's saying that you're not what you are (or think of yourself as), all because of the sexual organs you were born with. I can see where someone might take offense to that.
Yes.
THAT's considered offensive now?
Give me a fucking break. People are so absolutely desperate to be offended. Get over yourselves.
The outrage generated by the original comic was totally unwarranted.i thought the dickwolves comic was hilarious to be honest. for all the fantasy murdering gamers do, it's odd that merely the implication of fantasy rape hit a nerve.
Seems to me this is based on a confusion surrounding semantics more than anything else. Gabe is taking about biological gender, not gender identification, he's just poorly articulating himself as usual. If saying having two X chromosomes makes you a female is offensive, I'm not sure what to tell you.
But of course people will jump in to fill the gaps to fit their own narrative. Hate is a fun activity for us humans
We have a problem here then. I understand english enough to know that what was said was exactly what i pointed out.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree.
Mike is also known for being very Christian (he famously kicked Jerry out of his house for being an atheist), which might have influenced his comments.
Well as I understand it, the "you are a woman if you have a vagina" was directed at a transgendered co-worker of Gabe's. I don't think it's a statement of belief for or against transgendered people as a whole, but it was a bit of a dickish thing to say to a transgendered person in general.
So there you go. Its not an easy conversation to have. Or maybe it is if youre willing to actually have a conversation. My reaction when I feel backed into corner is to be an asshole. Its essentially how I defend myself. Its been that way since was in elementary school. Im 36 now. Maybe its finally time to try and let some of that shit go.
Yes. He's confusing the two. And people in this thread seem to also erronously think that they are the same.
Some traditional gender roles have a biological basis. Others are social constructs. It's not completely one or the other. There was a movement in psychology a while back that tried to explain away the differences between men and women completely as modern social constructs, but comparative behaviour studies with primates and other species are not really aligning with that belief.
If you really think Gabe is at risk of being murdered because of the stupid things he posts on twitter you are as simple as he is.
i also thought the follow up comic was funny...
"rape is the worst".
and the concept of a dickwolf is mildly humorous on it's own. maybe i missed something but they seemed pretty apologetic when they made it clear that they didn't condone rape (go figure).
There's more than one charity for sick children.