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Doom's lead graphics programmer thinks 4K isn't a good use of Xbox Scorpio's power
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JayhawkerStL
Banned
Should Xbox Scorpio owners demand better resolution and frame rates than the the the Neo delivers since they paid for such a high powered machine? Heck, should Microsoft step in to prevent any parity?
Fudgepuppy
Banned
How about we get all games locked at 1080p60fps, before we start venturing into 4k on closed hardware.
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CyberPunked
Member
But the differences in the quality of the visuals will be even greater. The graphical sacrifices that will be made will not be worth the improvement in IQ.
all games are gonna look and run better on the stronger hardware
kinda like right now you now
JigglesBunny
Banned
1080p, high quality assets, 60fps > 4K.
This is coming from someone with a 4K TV.
This is coming from someone with a 4K TV.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Its just a good marketing term, makes the device you buying futureproof.
2 years ago when I was shopping for a audio receiver I spend extra $50 to buy a receiver that will output 4K. And I still dont own a 4K TV. Probably later this year. But at least then I wont have to sell my old receiver and buy a 4K compatible.
2 years ago when I was shopping for a audio receiver I spend extra $50 to buy a receiver that will output 4K. And I still dont own a 4K TV. Probably later this year. But at least then I wont have to sell my old receiver and buy a 4K compatible.
I'm definitely a fan of the reconstructing method found in uncharted 4 MP. While not as clean as 4K, it should be cleaner than 1080p and provide some freedom to add extra layers of graphical detail.
I get what you're saying but it really isn't the same. Standards don't always go by the vertical resolution.
Please no mandates or parity policies. These manufacturers should just provide the hardware and tools and stay out of the developer's way. Policies and mandates usually just complicate things for the worse.
I get what you're saying but it really isn't the same. Standards don't always go by the vertical resolution.
Please no mandates or parity policies. These manufacturers should just provide the hardware and tools and stay out of the developer's way. Policies and mandates usually just complicate things for the worse.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
As far as the debate over 1080p60 vs 4k30fps... wouldn't it be more like 1080p60 or 4k15fps?
I think he's suggesting that 4K makes a difference in front of a computer, but the difference between 1080P and 4K isn't quite as profound when viewing things at a distance via TV/couch. But then again, the same arguments were made when talking about 720P vs 1080P...
I actually have a 4K television set, and never thought to test my PC on it for 4K gaming since I already have a 4k monitor....
AndyMoogle
Member
That's not the reason people want games to stay at 1080p. The reason is because Scorpio, and even more so Neo, can't render at 4K with good fidelity. We are still far off from that on consoles.
DragonKnight
Member
Agreed.
Original Man
Member
Frame rate is overrated. Gimme 4k please
Yeah but we can't do 1080p well enough on consoles to be thinking about 4k.
BlackClouds
Member
4k or bust. A 390x or GTX 980 does around 30 fps in 4k with high settings Third party devs have always been poor at making decisions like this though.
Original Man
Member
You can't see a difference? What games are you playing lol?
That's awesome.. love it.. MS gets their message out to casuals about "4k, 4k!" And then devs can take the power and work magic on the eyes... can't wait to see what they come up with.
MS games may suffer a bit by hitting 4k to prove the point ... (would prefer to see Forza at 1440 and all weather and daylight on the fly) but oh well
MS games may suffer a bit by hitting 4k to prove the point ... (would prefer to see Forza at 1440 and all weather and daylight on the fly) but oh well
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
DrowsyJungle
Member
On my 65" while gaming I notice a huge difference from 1080 to 2160. With movies it isn't as noticeable because 1080p blu-rays are downsampled from 35mm film or 4K+ digital cameras.
Original Man
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SEGAvangelist
Member
Oh but you may still need a new receiver that is hdcp 2.2 compliant!
DrowsyJungle
Member
Or 4K HDR compliant.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
How difficult would it be to program a graphics tuner into console games?
Consoles seem to be bucking their trends as of late so why not allow the player to make a choice similar to PC?
Why not both a 4K medium setting or 1080p ultra setting to your choosing?
Consoles seem to be bucking their trends as of late so why not allow the player to make a choice similar to PC?
Why not both a 4K medium setting or 1080p ultra setting to your choosing?
SEGAvangelist
Member
That's what HDCP 2.2 is for pretty much.
God yes.
1440p60 with gsync on my IPS monitor is so goddamn colourful and beautiful. Gives that feel if higher then 1080p but still delivers the smooth framerates of 1080p.
icecold1983
Member
its a waste on pc too.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Better A.I. please, better A.I.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Viewing distance (to screen size) of the general console gaming public is certainly a factor, but people are going to yell about this and say only blind people can't tell the difference.
While I don't entirely disagree I'm pretty sure in any normal gaming or living environment if you had say 2 50inch TV's one with a game at native 1920x1080 and one at native 3840×2160 most people would agree which one looks better. I mean the arguments about spoofing a 4k output with temporal reprojection hold some weight too.
That said I think devs using Scorpio for Rock Solid 1080p60fps with a host of post processing and glamour features will likely see the most praise from gaming communities. The 4K outputs won't look half as good outside of overall IQ and 1080p in that scenario is fine so long as it's pretty and clean 1080p
DrowsyJungle
Member
Didn't know that HDR was tied to HDCP. Thought HDMI 2.0a+ was required.
justsomeguy
Member
The brain power in that twitter exchange is staggering. Those guys are hella smart. Great read.
No CPU they can realistically shove in their will give you that.
SEGAvangelist
Member
They go together pretty much. Hdcp can't be updated to 2.2 with a firmware update like hdmi 1.4 to 2.0.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I have, and I went 144hz instead of 4k and never regretted my decision. There are other less GPU intensive ways to get clean imagery other than throwing more pixels at it. We aren't getting 4k textures any time soon and the diminishing returns are real.
I think we're only now at the point where 1440p makes sense for the mainstream PC gamer.
One important thing that screenshots don't show is the huge increase in motion stability. Having way less pixel shimmering with movement is a big deal and adds to an overall sharp and clean looking IQ.
4K textures isn't a thing, unless you're literally saying every texture has a 4K resolution which is silly.
icecold1983
Member
you are increasing total gpu workload almost 4 fold for that difference
You are saying it hides blur with motion blur? ok.
But TSSAA does not causes blurring in motion, it can cause artifacting like dithering when in motion but not blurring and it certainly doesn't "hide it with motion blur"...there's no such thing as hiding something with motion blur. That particular statement has always bugged me. And again 30FPS has lower temporal resolution, unless you use motion blur the gaps between frames is so easily visible that I can point them out individually.
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1080p/60fps rock solid in every game is the only thing I want from a console, until then I'll stick to PC (I only use my PS4 for exclusives) as that's the exact experience I'm currently getting.
DrowsyJungle
Member
Is there really a such thing as '4k' textures? When you render 4x the pixels you're automatically looking at 4x the texture resolution unless you're zoomed/scoped on the ground (which isn't how you play games anyway).
Use the power for better graphics, bigger levels, better sounds, lighting, textures , AI 1080p 60fps
Halo 6
Like starry night
And I will be more than happy
Couldn't agree more
Erection levels rising....Use the power for better graphics, bigger levels, better sounds, lighting, textures , AI 1080p 60fps
Halo 6
Like starry night
And I will be more than happy