Fuzzy Dunlop
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Yes, mad props to scottnak for all the work and congrats to Hazaro. I can't believe I missed picking the code S semi finals.
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Global Starcraft II League (GSL) March 2011 - Code S FINALS
- Thread starter Hazaro
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Is the inability of the zerg to make an effective proxy attack a serious weakness? I've been thinking of MC's builds, and it seems they were designed to take advantage of the larger map sizes, flipping around what should be an advantage for the zerg. The only flaw I could see in his build is it's weak to early pressure, since he has so many sentries, opposed to more damage-dealing units. In fact, the one map he lost was close positions, I think because he knew it was a weakness, and built too many cannons.
The distance was normally too far to send an effective group of speedlings, much less slow ass roaches, but another protoss or a terran could have proxied pylons or barracks. Even if their rush ultimately failed, they would either drain or kill sentries, weakening MC's attack when it eventually did come, and not risk much in the process. Of course, MC has different builds for other races, but the zerg are going to get destroyed by protoss until they find a way of countering this.
The distance was normally too far to send an effective group of speedlings, much less slow ass roaches, but another protoss or a terran could have proxied pylons or barracks. Even if their rush ultimately failed, they would either drain or kill sentries, weakening MC's attack when it eventually did come, and not risk much in the process. Of course, MC has different builds for other races, but the zerg are going to get destroyed by protoss until they find a way of countering this.
Aaron said:
Exactly. And with active scouting, it would not be too hard not to see a proxy hatchery being based right outside your neutral, so that you can proxy a few spine crawlers, with roach support just in case. It should be nice if that would have worked in some ways, but you gotta rush lair AND overlord speed to do that
(Suggestion: make it so you can research ovie speed without lair!)Zerg can't proxy without risking a hatch. They can't scout without risking getting supply blocked... what's the advantage to playing zerg again? Heck, even getting detection is a bitch, though it's not a sure thing for the protoss either.V_Arnold said:Exactly. And with active scouting, it would not be too hard not to see a proxy hatchery being based right outside your neutral, so that you can proxy a few spine crawlers, with roach support just in case. It should be nice if that would have worked in some ways, but you gotta rush lair AND overlord speed to do that
MC interview translated by TeamLiquid:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202819
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Just got home and watched the finals, and it turned out how I expected it. A crushing victory by the President Toss <3
And it's kind of funny how in every GSL some people find something new to whine about. From colossus, void rays, templars etc. Some people are even favoring the amulet removal cause they can't kill Tier 3 toss tech with their 50 mineral T1 unit. And now people have found something new to cry about, force fields.
As panda and some Z's said on the thread, July should've adjusted his builds. He knows MC like to attack with sick timings early game. Why not get burrow, cause MC didn't even have observers and a robo out. Or few more spines like how Zergs in BW make an ass ton of sunkens in their expansions. With the Flux vanes nerf, inevitable amulet nerf and now that people are complaining about FF it'll most likely make Blizzard think about doing something to it. If that happens the Toss would just be a gimped race.
And it's kind of funny how in every GSL some people find something new to whine about. From colossus, void rays, templars etc. Some people are even favoring the amulet removal cause they can't kill Tier 3 toss tech with their 50 mineral T1 unit. And now people have found something new to cry about, force fields.
As panda and some Z's said on the thread, July should've adjusted his builds. He knows MC like to attack with sick timings early game. Why not get burrow, cause MC didn't even have observers and a robo out. Or few more spines like how Zergs in BW make an ass ton of sunkens in their expansions. With the Flux vanes nerf, inevitable amulet nerf and now that people are complaining about FF it'll most likely make Blizzard think about doing something to it. If that happens the Toss would just be a gimped race.
twofold said:
Tbh it's Artosis...lol the guy exaggerates a ton...his state of the game appearances are the best example of him exaggerating.
NeoCross said:
Not really FF has been the one balance topic that gets revived the most...and it never goes away.
What has happened though is FF has not taken precedent over what others think are more important imbalances...
HolyCheck said:
A lot of that is anti-Korean sentiment. People are afraid of Koreans winning all the foreign tournaments and are criticizing Korean players to create excuses to exclude them from tournaments.
EviLore said:
We should wait until TL is up and use whatever banners and stuff they have in their TSL3 threads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swdspAisUPg
This was the only thing i could think about during this final. lol
This was the only thing i could think about during this final. lol
watervengeance
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MC wanting to knock oGsTheWind out so he can coach. :lol
Yeah I liked that one as well.watervengeance said:
I believe people are missing the key point on sentries. Force fields are goddamn boring. Part of the reason I enjoy watching Starcraft is because of the army micro. Tension builds all game until a major engagement. As the game is about to get exciting: wshcschwe wchswhh swchhchs (FF sound effect.) Oh. Again? Neat. I guess.
I have no comments on the balance of the ability. I understand the role sentries play and their cost. I'm still more entertained by storms, fungal and supply drop.
I do see.Raelson said:
