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Global Starcraft II League (GSL) March 2011 - Code S FINALS
- Thread starter Hazaro
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Keikaku said:
Wow how did you find it haha. Thanks!
perryfarrell
Member
Zerg needs an energy-draining ability...
You know, as ridiculous as the Force Fields were, July didn't get burrow in any reasonable amount of time in ANY of the five games played. That ability is almost specifically designed to counter force fields, but July's stubbornness prevented its use.
(Not that it would have mattered.)
(Not that it would have mattered.)
PhoenixDark
Banned
MC didn't break a sweat. Scariest SC2 player I've seen. MVP is obviously amazing and won the last tournament soundly, but MC just looks unstoppable when he gets on a run.
July makes many questionable decisions. oh well. That sentry play was insane, but I can't really bitch about imbalance considering he never got burrow fast enough to combat it
July makes many questionable decisions. oh well. That sentry play was insane, but I can't really bitch about imbalance considering he never got burrow fast enough to combat it
TeamLiquid StarLeague dude.jersoc said:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201449
*I NEED A HEROOOOOOOOOOO
Since I have a job now I can't sit on GAF all day.Mairu said:where's the gaf thread for tsl man?
I'd want the thread to be made and kept updated and look nice, but I'm going to bed now so hopefully someone else can do a good job. Otherwise I'll make it right before it starts.
PhoenixDark
Banned
This outro song is so cheesy lol. Doesn't match the admittedly cheesy but still awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJBHnInDrLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJBHnInDrLY
kayos90 said:
There were a ton of jobbers still around in Season 2, including that really awful random player. Lots of terrible, terrible play. I think, if I'm not mistaken, that was also the season that SanZenith manner blocked his own natural expansion.
The games have, in my opinion, only gotten better as players have gotten better.
TheThunder
Member
Not really, not at all.kayos90 said:
Both Season 4&5 are far better overall. Go back and watch those ro64-32 matches, snarf galore.
Only the finals was "somewhat" close but not as good as the score suggests.
Visualante
Member
Lame show. Sentries are so OP.
Visualante
Member
And there are ways to counter colossi.Veins said:
Haunted
Member
ez pz
no surprises there. MC cements itself as one of the dominant players in the scene. And shows that in the hands of a master, forcefields are borderline broken. If only we would've gotten a third episode of Imbalance.
Looking forward to TSL and NASL.
no surprises there. MC cements itself as one of the dominant players in the scene. And shows that in the hands of a master, forcefields are borderline broken. If only we would've gotten a third episode of Imbalance.
Looking forward to TSL and NASL.
I think you just volunteered to make it.Mairu said:where's the gaf thread for tsl man?
Code:
CODE A CORR | R32 R16 R8 SF F
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Hazaro 23 | 11 8 4 - -
bbyybb 21 | 12 5 3 1 0
TheThunder 17 | 10 3 3 0 1
2Crisis 16 | 9 6 1 0 0
Fuzzy Dunlop 16 | 9 5 2 0 0
rhfb 16 | 9 4 3 - -
HolyCheck 15 | 9 4 1 0 1
poserdonut 15 | 9 4 2 0 0
scottnak 15 | 7 6 1 0 1
Mairu 13 | 8 3 2 0 0
Quadratic 13 | 7 4 2 0 -
watervengeance 11 | 9 1 1 - -
jorma 10 | 5 5 - - -
Facade 9 | 6 - 3 - -
Du2andal 8 | 8 - - - -
eek5 8 | 8 - - - -
hamchan 8 | 8 - - - -
Haunted 6 | 6 - - - -
Chris Remo 5 | 5 - - - -
Cipherr 5 | 5 - - - -
jersoc 4 | 4 - - - -
zlatko 2 | - - 2 - -
CODE S CORR | R32 R16 R8 SF F
---------------------+----------------------------------------
Hazaro 20 | 9 5 3 2 1
2Crisis 19 | 9 5 3 2 0
Fuzzy Dunlop 18 | 9 4 4 - 1
Mairu 18 | 8 5 2 2 1
poserdonut 18 | 8 5 4 - 1
scottnak 18 | 9 5 4 - 0
Deadman 17 | 9 4 2 2 -
TheThunder 17 | 7 4 3 2 1
bbyybb 16 | 8 3 2 2 1
Quadratic 16 | 7 5 2 2 0
Facade 15 | 7 4 4 - -
HolyCheck 14 | 7 4 2 0 1
rhfb 14 | 7 4 3 - -
watervengeance 12 | 6 5 1 - -
jorma 10 | 5 4 - - 1
Du2andal 9 | 9 - - - -
jersoc 9 | 9 - - - -
Majine 9 | 7 2 - - -
thepotatoman 9 | 9 - - - -
Haunted 8 | 8 - - - -
Cipherr 7 | 7 - - - -
Dooraven 7 | 7 - - - -
eek5 7 | 7 - - - -
electristan 7 | 7 - - - -
hamchan 7 | 7 - - - -
Pandaman 7 | 7 - - - -
Pankaks 7 | 7 - - - -
Yoshichan 7 | 7 - - - -
Chris Remo 6 | 6 - - - -
keuja 5 | 5 - - - -
zlatko 3 | - - 3 - -
Mister Wilhelm 2 | - - - 2 -
Keikaku 1 | - - - - 1
perryfarrell 1 | - - - 1 -
abunai 0 | - - - - 0
UP/DOWN CORR
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TheThunder 8
2Crisis 8
abunai 8
scottnak 8
Mairu 8
Quadratic 7
Fuzzy Dunlop 7
Keikaku 7
HolyCheck 5
Hazaro 5
poserdonut 5
jorma 5
bbyybb 5
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1 - 2 - 4 - 8 - 16 scoring
CODE S PTS CODE A PTS
Hazaro 63 TheThunder 44
TheThunder 59 Hazaro 43
Mairu 58 bbyybb 42
bbyybb 54 scottnak 39
poserdonut 50 HolyCheck 37
Fuzzy Dunlop 49 rhfb 29
2Crisis 47 Fuzzy Dunlop 27
Deadman 41 2Crisis 25
Quadratic 41 poserdonut 25
HolyCheck 39 Quadratic 23
scottnak 35 Mairu 22
Facade 31 Facade 18
jorma 29 watervengeance 15
rhfb 27 jorma 15
watervengeance 20 Du2andal 8
Mister Wilhelm 16 eek5 8
Keikaku 16 hamchan 8
zlatko 12 zlatko 8
Majine 11 Haunted 6
Du2andal 9 Chris Remo 5
jersoc 9 Cipherr 5
thepotatoman 9 jersoc 4
Haunted 8
perryfarrell 8
Cipherr 7
Dooraven 7
eek5 7
electristan 7
hamchan 7
Pandaman 7
Pankaks 7
Yoshichan 7
Chris Remo 6
keuja 5
abunai 0
Code:
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TOTAL CORRECT:
PLAYER TOT S A U/D
Hazaro 48 20 23 5
2Crisis 43 19 16 8
bbyybb 42 16 21 5
TheThunder 42 17 17 8
Fuzzy Dunlop 41 18 16 7
scottnak 41 18 15 8
Mairu 39 18 13 8
poserdonut 38 18 15 5
Quadratic 36 16 13 7
HolyCheck 34 14 15 5
rhfb 30 14 16 -
jorma 25 10 10 5
Facade 24 15 9 -
watervengeance 23 12 11 -
Deadman 17 17 - -
Du2andal 17 9 8 -
eek5 15 7 8 -
hamchan 15 7 8 -
Haunted 14 8 6 -
jersoc 13 9 4 -
Cipherr 12 7 5 -
Chris Remo 11 6 5 -
Majine 9 9 - -
thepotatoman 9 9 - -
abunai 8 0 - 8
Keikaku 8 1 - 7
Dooraven 7 7 - -
electristan 7 7 - -
Pandaman 7 7 - -
Pankaks 7 7 - -
Yoshichan 7 7 - -
keuja 5 5 - -
zlatko 5 3 2 -
Mister Wilhelm 2 2 - -
perryfarrell 1 1 - -
TOTAL POINTS EARNED:
POINTS TOT S A U/D
Hazaro 111 63 43 5
TheThunder 111 59 44 8
bbyybb 101 54 42 5
Mairu 88 58 22 8
Fuzzy Dunlop 83 49 27 7
scottnak 82 35 39 8
HolyCheck 81 39 37 5
2Crisis 80 47 25 8
poserdonut 80 50 25 5
Quadratic 71 41 23 7
rhfb 56 27 29 -
Facade 49 31 18 -
jorma 49 29 15 5
Deadman 41 41 - -
watervengeance 35 20 15 -
Keikaku 23 16 - 7
zlatko 20 12 8 -
Du2andal 17 9 8 -
Mister Wilhelm 16 16 - -
eek5 15 7 8 -
hamchan 15 7 8 -
Haunted 14 8 6 -
jersoc 13 9 4 -
Cipherr 12 7 5 -
Chris Remo 11 6 5 -
Majine 11 11 - -
thepotatoman 9 9 - -
abunai 8 0 - 8
perryfarrell 8 8 - -
Dooraven 7 7 - -
electristan 7 7 - -
Pandaman 7 7 - -
Pankaks 7 7 - -
Yoshichan 7 7 - -
keuja 5 5 - -TheThunder
Member
Great job scottnak, Thanks for all the hard work.
Hazaro, We shall meet again...
Hazaro, We shall meet again...
i'm all up for a balance discussion regarding force fields, but to use this match as the prime motivator is pretty myopic given the context.
mc reacted to the community's claims that late game pvz is heavily tilted in protoss favour, and that toss tier 1/1.5 units are crippled in such a way that t3 balances it out, by absoloutely decimating the second best sc2 player in the world with pure t1. he didn't even build a robo, nor did he use a straight four-gate.
can you name one element of the game that july even came close to matching mc in? he was mind-fucked, micro-fucked, macro-fucked, always left guessing and every engagment played into mc's advantage, including those instigated by july. even during what seemed like crushing all-ins, mc was still transitioning into his next play with a macro lead.
you watched an artist paint his masterpiece, and all you can concern yourselves with is the brush he used. sc2 is still in its volitile youth and balance is an organic, evolutionary thing. all we can take from tonight is that mc can force fields look broken. that's what mc does.
mc reacted to the community's claims that late game pvz is heavily tilted in protoss favour, and that toss tier 1/1.5 units are crippled in such a way that t3 balances it out, by absoloutely decimating the second best sc2 player in the world with pure t1. he didn't even build a robo, nor did he use a straight four-gate.
can you name one element of the game that july even came close to matching mc in? he was mind-fucked, micro-fucked, macro-fucked, always left guessing and every engagment played into mc's advantage, including those instigated by july. even during what seemed like crushing all-ins, mc was still transitioning into his next play with a macro lead.
you watched an artist paint his masterpiece, and all you can concern yourselves with is the brush he used. sc2 is still in its volitile youth and balance is an organic, evolutionary thing. all we can take from tonight is that mc can force fields look broken. that's what mc does.
Interview with MC on TL
There are some other great questions, including one about his weight.
Great to see that I wasn't entirely terrible on my Tips. I am happy that MC won, even though i haven't had a chance to watch the games yet. I will do that probably tomorrow.
There are some other great questions, including one about his weight.
Great to see that I wasn't entirely terrible on my Tips. I am happy that MC won, even though i haven't had a chance to watch the games yet. I will do that probably tomorrow.
ghst said:
This sounds very composed and nice but I would really, really advise you to step back just a little bit.
If a Zerg hides stuff from a Terran, makes some tricky transitions, that is almost like a miracle. Terran has many tools for proper scouting, all available to him with 99% of the basic builds, so there is no need to branch out for an exotic building. Against protoss, it is kinda the same. Zerg cant wall in. They cant do anything about a hallucinated phoenix scouting, and they need to branch out or invest gas to even see the observer. Protoss hiding stuff from zerg is nothing brilliant. In fact, if you are anywhere near a good player and you are protoss, you SHOULD be thinking: "Okay, I am against a Zerg. Let us see how I am going to mindfuck him THIS time. "
Oh, MC is awesome, no two ways about it, but most of the stuff you mentioned comes down to what the state of ZVP is right now: P is untouchable in almost all times. Check those builds. Check if you find some weaknesses. If there was, just like at the Hydra drop game, July succesfully punished it. Or would you have advised July to use Roach allins in all game and hope not to see a Void Ray popping out in the middle of it?
Seriously, MC deserved this win, he played the best he could according to his race's abilities. But many cant help but think what July would be able to do with more tools at his disposal. It is not like he did not tried scouting out DT tech. He sent in the overlord at the perfect time. It just did not see the buildings.
July has been the synonym of a dominant zerg player up until this point (in this season ofc), but he just could not dominate a Protoss this good. And that is reaching territory of balance talk, not the skill difference between two insanely good players.