sixteen-bit
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Just hope for Sigma 3Augemitbutter said:
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
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New Ninja Gaiden 3 Details (60 FPS, 8 Player Multi, Co-Op/Versus, More)
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Is it related to the
RockmanWhore
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There's a lot of blood indeed. I'm happy that they're aiming at 60fps, I hope it will be more of a rock solid 60 fps like Ninja Gaiden Black, than the shitty 60fps of NG2 though. I'm not sure about the competitive mp though, especially after the horrible netcode of NGS2. I wish there were more details about the gameplay, I love NG's gameplay, but some stuff really needs to be tweaked, personnaly I think they should put less ennemies but enhance their AI, and find a way to get rid of abusable techniques like instant UT and Izuna drops. It's kinda cool to play, but it looks stupid. I can't wait for some nice gameplay footage at E3.
Augemitbutter
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_dementia said:
no need to wait for a better version when they could nail it at first try.
â Narayan
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You're out of your goddamn mind. The Sigma 2 engine is nowhere near as fast as the Xbox 360 version.hikarutilmitt said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8BrWG3vKjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0Hf_SN_Xs
bigboss370
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omg im excited! 
i hope for gameplay at e3
i hope for gameplay at e3 I think Engines have nothing to do with this, Hayabusa was slower because Hayashi made him slower along side with many other tweaks he made in sigma 2..
for example Ayane in Sigma 2 is way faster than the 360 NG2's Hayabusa.
â Narayan
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I'm just talking about the combat in general. Engine was the wrong word to use.Totobeni said:
EDIT: Saw the scans. SHIIIIIT! This looks GOOD. Let's hope the gameplay is up to par.
â Narayan
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sixteen-bit
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The staff will probably get upgraded to have retractable mace balls on the end ala NG2Ninjimbo said:
Angelus Errare
Banned
Now people are bitching about too much blood? Goddamm die.
I hope this game shits on NG2 so haters can eat crow, and we can then copy pasta their avatars in the NG3 thread repeatedly.
I hope this game shits on NG2 so haters can eat crow, and we can then copy pasta their avatars in the NG3 thread repeatedly.
Discotheque
Banned
best news is 60fps and no other playable characters (they were fucking shit in the sigma games).
Not sure about the rest though.
Not sure about the rest though.
hikarutilmitt
Member
You mentioned balancing it, which Sigma 2 most certainly did. 2 was harder but more at the cost of it being fair than an actual challenge.
Angry Fork
Member
Metal Gear Rising killer confirmed.
No but seriously it sounds like they're gonna go all out. I'll especially be interested if there's Move support. If this game or MG: Rising has full blown Move support (and not tacked on) that's probably one of the few things that would get me to get the peripheral.
No but seriously it sounds like they're gonna go all out. I'll especially be interested if there's Move support. If this game or MG: Rising has full blown Move support (and not tacked on) that's probably one of the few things that would get me to get the peripheral.
Rhazer Fusion
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Hopefully, the blood won't tamper with the game's performance again. I thought that was the primary reason it was removed from Sigma 2.
Imo, the game doesn't need multiplayer since it always had a meaty single player campaign. Hopefully, it won't feel forced or tacked on.
No store makes me sort of sad.
In a hardcore action game such as this, I do not care about the story. If I want an award winning story, I would read a novel. A good, detailed story is just an added bonus for me, not mandatory.
Hopefully, it will at lest be good as NG2. I'm a little concerned about the changes, but we will see what happens.
Imo, the game doesn't need multiplayer since it always had a meaty single player campaign. Hopefully, it won't feel forced or tacked on.
No store makes me sort of sad.
In a hardcore action game such as this, I do not care about the story. If I want an award winning story, I would read a novel. A good, detailed story is just an added bonus for me, not mandatory.
Hopefully, it will at lest be good as NG2. I'm a little concerned about the changes, but we will see what happens.
I have a question ..
I can't remember the NG that I played but it was I think the first one released when the PS3 came out -- and I remember loving it EXCEPT for the ridiculous bosses that I faced all the time. All I remember fighting were giant worms and ugly creatures and that shit got really weird towards the second half.
I obviously don't know if things changed after that NG game but I hope so. I want to fight humans, other ninjas, samurai, etc.
Just my .02
I can't remember the NG that I played but it was I think the first one released when the PS3 came out -- and I remember loving it EXCEPT for the ridiculous bosses that I faced all the time. All I remember fighting were giant worms and ugly creatures and that shit got really weird towards the second half.
I obviously don't know if things changed after that NG game but I hope so. I want to fight humans, other ninjas, samurai, etc.
Just my .02
iconoclast
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Removing the store could be a good or bad thing... it's almost entirely dependent on how the karma system is designed. Which leads me to my next points - PLEASE for the love of GOD bring back the NGB karma system, with timed battles. The NG2 system was completely broken because you could milk every single enemy due to the lack of a timer. I will never do another torturous PotMN karma run for as long as I live because of this.
Competitive multiplayer could be interesting, but will most likely be worthless. And hopefully co-op isn't as awful as Sigma 2's.
I hope the game is good. I'd love nothing more than another good action game, because the genre is nearly dead as it is. But I don't think Hayashi has the talent to do it right. Prove me wrong, Team Ninja Dogs.
Competitive multiplayer could be interesting, but will most likely be worthless. And hopefully co-op isn't as awful as Sigma 2's.
I hope the game is good. I'd love nothing more than another good action game, because the genre is nearly dead as it is. But I don't think Hayashi has the talent to do it right. Prove me wrong, Team Ninja Dogs.
AlphaDragoon
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HYDE said:Game's gonna fucking rock and it looks bloody brilliant bitches!
I can't wait to play as Katsumi.
Is that from NG3? Goddammit.
Stay the fuck OUT, Kasumi.
AlphaDragoon
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LordK said:
Son of a bitch, so she's already managed to worm her way in.
Well if they're gonna show Kasumi they might as well show someone who doesn't suck (read: Hayate) and be done with it. That is, if they didn't already in Sigma 2 (never played it, have the 360 version).
Chuck Norris
Banned
Not sure why people are worried about the store, it was never well intergrated. A Metroid style upgrade system may be interesting
AAK said:You can't say the same for:
Actually, yes I can. Never before has a first boss spanked me so hard. He is burned into my memory forever. I remember most of the enemies in NGB, actually, especially the Vigoorian berserkers. I swear, those fuckers were tougher than most bosses in the game, yet they were somehow designated merely an elite enemy. No, Ninja Gaiden is a game that succeeds in it's gameplay alone, we do not need a focus on the story for it.
AAK said:
And no shits are given. I don't remember vergil or Jeanne for their story influences either, btw. They were just good damn bossfights. The story was the cherry on top. Nice to have, but entirely unnecessary.
ArachosiA 78
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Rated-Rsuperstar said:
Very happy with these features.
Generic said:
That's essentially what Ninja Gaiden was. It was stripped down to its barest essentials (everything involving combat), with those essentials magnified and worked to a spit-shine polish.
NG had the hub and a slight adventuring element, but generally-speaking, the Ninja Gaiden games are basically arena-based fighters. You're placed in an arena, and your objective is to gloriously murder everything around you and in your path. I love stories in games when done well but I've also never felt NG needed it or would even benefit from it. I feel the exact same way about the Quake series, actually. It's the masterful combat gameplay that matters and anything else would possibly just detract, and distract.
And actually trying to stick some straight "we want people to know the real Ryu" storyline in there could rob the game of some of its most amusingly nonsensical elements. Is there any deep explanation needed for why you have to destroy that horde of werewolves in front of you? They're werewolves, they're in your way, they die, that is all. I don't need it attached to some mediation on the strength of the human spirit, just an excellent combat system.
AcceptableGhost
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A person who actually pays attention to the "narrative" (hard to really call it that) in these games I assume has never watched anything good in their entire life. They add nothing, and every minute of "narrative" detracts from the flowing and amazing gameplay.AAK said:
a Master Ninja
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The NEW Team Ninja's core is Team Sigma, a group founded on dedicated PS3 development. OG Team Ninja focused on 360 development until the mass exodus to Valhalla. I suppose it is safe to assume that the PS3 will be the lead platform, no?
Half of the details from the magazine concern me.
The co-op in Sigma 2 wasn't great, and throwing the single-player combat model into an 8 player versus mode could easily turn into a clusterfuck. They will need to spend a ton of time and resources to make it balanced and compelling. Or maybe that effort would be better spent ensuring the singleplayer ofBioshock 2 Ninja Gaiden 3 is as awesome as possible.
Greater emphasis on story can't possibly turn out well. Team Ninja just doesn't know how to add more story without removing control from the player. Keep it brief and skippable.
Move support sounds like a bad idea. I know "It's optional! More options are never bad!" If swinging the Move remote = swinging Ryu's sword than Hayashi has slowed Ninja Gaiden's combat to a level similar to a 3D Zelda. How do you perform this with motion controls? Now if they are making a dedicated mode or mini-game designed from the ground up for the Move, that's fine. But don't slow down/break the combat so that it works with waggle and a traditional controller.
Half of the details from the magazine concern me.
The co-op in Sigma 2 wasn't great, and throwing the single-player combat model into an 8 player versus mode could easily turn into a clusterfuck. They will need to spend a ton of time and resources to make it balanced and compelling. Or maybe that effort would be better spent ensuring the singleplayer of
Greater emphasis on story can't possibly turn out well. Team Ninja just doesn't know how to add more story without removing control from the player. Keep it brief and skippable.
Move support sounds like a bad idea. I know "It's optional! More options are never bad!" If swinging the Move remote = swinging Ryu's sword than Hayashi has slowed Ninja Gaiden's combat to a level similar to a 3D Zelda. How do you perform this with motion controls? Now if they are making a dedicated mode or mini-game designed from the ground up for the Move, that's fine. But don't slow down/break the combat so that it works with waggle and a traditional controller.
So I gotta wonder, will this still be coming to xbox or now that Itagaki is gone will tecmo never again support the console ?
I own both so it really doesn't matter that much but I do prefer the xbox controller for this particular game.
Hayashi has to come into his own eventually and it seems this might be his first big game to prove to the world that he's capable of matching his masters work. This is his first truly independent work. (sigma games were ports, doa 3ds is a compilation/port, even metroid other M was heavily supervised by nintendo). Fingers crossed.
I own both so it really doesn't matter that much but I do prefer the xbox controller for this particular game.
Hayashi has to come into his own eventually and it seems this might be his first big game to prove to the world that he's capable of matching his masters work. This is his first truly independent work. (sigma games were ports, doa 3ds is a compilation/port, even metroid other M was heavily supervised by nintendo). Fingers crossed.
cj_iwakura
Member
Would kill for Jaquio or Ashtar as bosses.
I really enjoyed Sigma 2 co-op, because it was NG + co-op. BUT 1) terrible netcode, 2) awful mission design with unchangeable difficulty settings per mission. If they had simply put in NG2's mission mode as is and added the co-op, it would have already been infinitely better. I am not yet confident in Sigma team's ability to craft new content.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
AAK said:A good narrative leads to better and more memorable villains & boss fights.
Examples:
You can't say the same for:
I do see what you are saying, but if the gameplay is terrible or boring, you might never get far enough to really learn more about the characters. Having good narrative and gameplay can help, but for me story is secondary and gameplay is top priority. Admittedly, it is more important in most RPG's for the obvious reasons. Also, I don't necessarily think good narration is required for memorable boss fights. Look at the boss fights in Demon's Souls for example.
"There will be both competitive and cooperative modes. One or both will support up to 8 players.
The store is gone. Weapons will upgrade over time.
Greater emphasis on Ryu's story.
May feature Move support."
All this, sounds terrible right off the bat. A large portion aimed at the move support, which makes very little sense. I can't possibly see it working with waggle while retaining any sort of quick timing.
Good news is they are focusing on Ryu. All of Hayashi's creations have been terrible so far. The focus on a single one with an already strong framework done is good. They wouldn't have to do much ala DMC3-4, to bring him up to snuff. New weapons, moves, and so forth. It was the lack of balance in encounters which killed it.
The store is gone. Weapons will upgrade over time.
Greater emphasis on Ryu's story.
May feature Move support."
All this, sounds terrible right off the bat. A large portion aimed at the move support, which makes very little sense. I can't possibly see it working with waggle while retaining any sort of quick timing.
Good news is they are focusing on Ryu. All of Hayashi's creations have been terrible so far. The focus on a single one with an already strong framework done is good. They wouldn't have to do much ala DMC3-4, to bring him up to snuff. New weapons, moves, and so forth. It was the lack of balance in encounters which killed it.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
That video. My God.a Master Ninja said:
Unknown Soldier
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robor said:
Metroid: Other M didn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in the new Team Ninja.