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Official 2007 MLB Thread - The quest for another .500 champion

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Zep

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I would also like to call BS on Holliday getting the RBI crown. IT ONLY TOOK HIM 163 GAMES! Might as well count spring training games.
 
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CajoleJuice

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Chiggs said:
Actually, Holliday's hand looks like it may have gone under the guy's shoe. Also, the catcher was blocking the plate, which, is a no-no, right? And did he even make another tag? Looks like he didn't.
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:lol Sorry dude, but just NO. He did it exactly how you're supposed to.
 
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Karakand

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Y2Kev said:
Absolutely he was going to blow it. But you can't just do that...the games are played for a reason.
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I know we should expect better, but I really don't want to hear ESPN blah blah incessantly about this tomorrow when making the correct call would have been sticking a finger in a dike that has 800 holes.
 
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Kintaro

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Wow, cruddy end to a great game. But yeah, cruddy missed call and if I were the Padres, I'd be all over that. Would that have been the 3rd out?
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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Y2Kev said:
You either knock the ball out of the catcher's hand or get fucked up.
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Well, at least he mishandled the ball. Again, did he even make the second tag? It looks like he went for it, then stopped?
 
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LJ11

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Y2Kev said:
Because he didn't know what to call, obviously. He saw the one piece of evidence that makes it usually obvious (catcher doesn't have the ball).

If the umps can't conference for this, then it's just bullshit. I'm tired of this garbage in baseball.
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The ball was clearly loose from the start. To hesitate, wait for the catcher to retrieve the ball, go for the tag, and then call him safe is wrong on so many levels. It's as if he flipped a coin and waited.
 
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Y2Kev

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LJ11 said:
The ball was clearly loose from the start. To hesitate, wait for the catcher to retrieve the ball, go for the tag, and then call him safe is wrong on so many levels. It's as if he flipped a coin and waited.
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I couldn't see from the other angle and I shut it off immediately afterwards in frustration. I'll look tomorrow, but it looks like I 100% agree with you.
 
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jman2050

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This is the MLB game of the season by a country mile. Holy crap. Games like THIS are why i love baseball so much.

Holy crap. I'm shaking.
 
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Flizzzipper

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ahah, Holiday has the Kelly Gruber look, Gruber did the same thing in the playoffs for the jays in the early 90's, went through the post season with a mark on his chin
 
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dkeane

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Sort of looked like he made the touch on home plate, his hand moved his foot. Need a replay from another angle. They must have more than 2 angles of that right?
 
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DrForester

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Well the catcher didn't have the ball, and if you don't have the ball you can't block the plate, isn't that how it works? I thought you coudl onyl block a plate like that if you had the ball.
 
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Windu

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His hand may have pushed his foot out of the way and touched homeplate, you couldn't see it because the camera was blocked by holliday. I guess we will never know.
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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studio810 said:
Sort of looked like he made the touch on home plate, his hand moved his foot. Need a replay from another angle. They must have more than 2 angles of that right?
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I honestly think it looked like his hand went under the guy's shoe briefly, but whatever, I was going for the Rockies, so I'm admittedly biased. It was a strange end. One thing's for sure, though: Any Padres fan that claims they "definitely would have got another out and won the game" is arguing on a slippery slope. That pitcher got fucking rocked.

Kintaro said:
Wrong? If he didn't touch the plate, which he didn't, the play is still LIVE and he's out when he's tagged. There's nothing "wrong" with that. It's a live ball!
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Was he even tagged? It looks like the guy went for it, but stopped?

CajoleJuice said:
But he did tag him.
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I just saw the replay, and it looked like he was going for it, but never did.
 
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Kintaro

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LJ11 said:
The ball was clearly loose from the start. To hesitate, wait for the catcher to retrieve the ball, go for the tag, and then call him safe is wrong on so many levels. It's as if he flipped a coin and waited.
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Wrong? If he didn't touch the plate, which he didn't, the play is still LIVE and he's out when he's tagged. There's nothing "wrong" with that. It's a live ball!
 
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LJ11

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DevelopmentArrested said:
He was safe. Get over it. Barrett didn't even tag him with the ball.
GOTY, easily.
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He didn't tag him with the ball because the Ump called him safe as soon as he went for the tag. Regardless, Holliday was dead to rights if the Ump didn't call him safe because he was just lying there.
 
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CajoleJuice

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DrForester said:
Well the catcher didn't have the ball, and if you don't have the ball you can't block the plate, isn't that how it works? I thought you coudl onyl block a plate like that if you had the ball.
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When it's a close play liek that, where he could've caught the ball, it's not illegal. Maybe not "officially" but that's how the game is umpired.
 
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Flizzzipper

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Barret's foot is way in front of home plate, even if his hand went under no way the plate was there. He was clearly out...clear as in I could tell after about 10 replays. After the slide barret did go back and tag him but he was already called safe.
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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DrForester said:
Well the catcher didn't have the ball, and if you don't have the ball you can't block the plate, isn't that how it works? I thought you coudl onyl block a plate like that if you had the ball.
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That's what I thought, too.
 
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Incognito

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Just a few days ago as I sat through a slew of playoff commercials on TBS I wondered to myself, "Fuck, that means no HD." Well I'm switching through the channels tonight and lo and behold, TBS goes HD. :D Anyway, great game and awesome ending.
 
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Karakand

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Wow, I'm actually excited about the NL playoffs this season. Phillies, D-Backs, Rockies, Cubs. Lots of runs. Lots of potential pitching meltdowns. Way better than last season's offering.
 
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LJ11

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Kintaro said:
Wrong? If he didn't touch the plate, which he didn't, the play is still LIVE and he's out when he's tagged. There's nothing "wrong" with that. It's a live ball!
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When the catcher went to tag him the second time, the Ump called him safe. The play was dead at that point, who's going to override the call?

Blocking the plate in baseball is not illegal by any stretch. Go watch Pete Rose highlights.
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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duffey said:
Todd Helton on ESPN: "...I have no idea how we won that game." :lol
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The power of Peyton Manning helped the Rockies. In an article on the Denver Post, Peyton admitted to cheering for the Rockies, because he and Helton are friends (played football together in college).

LJ11 said:
Go watch Pete Rose highlights.
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Pete Who?
 
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Link

The Autumn Wind
jman2050 said:
This is the MLB game of the season by a country mile. Holy crap. Games like THIS are why i love baseball so much.

Holy crap. I'm shaking.
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Totally agreed. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of, this game was great for anyone that enjoys baseball.
 
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woodchuck

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Sorry to upset you guys, but the AL and NL playoffs (not including the WS) are going to suck.

Since the regular season was so amazing with all the different storylines like tonight's game, or the Mets' collapse, this only means the playoffs will be a letdown.

That's pretty much how it works in any sport.

But you guys can expect the World Series to be amazing since the other rounds will suck.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
DrForester said:
Well the catcher didn't have the ball, and if you don't have the ball you can't block the plate, isn't that how it works? I thought you coudl onyl block a plate like that if you had the ball.
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Geez have some of you watched or played baseball? Even in little league your allowed to block the plate if the ball is coming to you. The catcher pretty much had the perfect stance for blocking the plate. He just didnt hold on to the ball and really, he's lucky the runner didnt level his ass.
 
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CajoleJuice

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woodchuck said:
Sorry to upset you guys, but the AL and NL playoffs (not including the WS) are going to suck.

Since the regular season was so amazing with all the different storylines like tonight's game, or the Mets' collapse, this only means the playoffs will be a letdown.

That's pretty much how it works in any sport.

But you guys can expect the World Series to be amazing since the other rounds will suck.
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You will be proven completely wrong.
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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captive said:
Geez have some of you watched or played baseball? Even in little league your allowed to block the plate if the ball is coming to you. The catcher pretty much had the perfect stance for blocking the plate. He just didnt hold on to the ball and really, he's lucky the runner didnt level his ass.
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Is this correct?

http://www.infosports.com/baseball/camp/catcher/47.htm

Because, if so...well, arguing about an unwritten rule is, well... :D

Edit: The only reason I'm asking this is because when I played in high school, that's one of the things I remembered hearing.
 
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Karakand

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woodchuck said:
Sorry to upset you guys, but the AL and NL playoffs (not including the WS) are going to suck.

Since the regular season was so amazing with all the different storylines like tonight's game, or the Mets' collapse, this only means the playoffs will be a letdown.

That's pretty much how it works in any sport.

But you guys can expect the World Series to be amazing since the other rounds will suck.
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No, we need to have an awesome playoffs to make up for last year's Zzzzzz fest.
 
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CajoleJuice

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woodchuck said:
so then the NL and AL playoffs will be amazing, and the WS will suck? you can't have it both ways.
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I'd bet on that more. Either way, the playoffs will NOT be a letdown. The MLB playoffs are the greatest creation of mankind.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Chiggs said:
Is this correct?

http://www.infosports.com/baseball/camp/catcher/47.htm

Because, if so...well, arguing about an unwritten rule is, well... :D

Edit: The only reason I'm asking this is because when I played in high school, that's one of the things I remembered hearing.
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Pretty much it varies obviously based on how the coach wants it. When i played if the play was coming to the plate my heel would be on the corner of the plate pointed at third base.

And yes that "unwritten" rule is correct too, if your blocking the plate and the ball is still in the outfield your probably going to get called for interference.
 
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Karakand

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The power of my sports avatar... powers is not to be debated but I'm scared as to what would happen if I dumped one for another right now. Would both teams tailspin (woah, woah woah, Tailspin) and crash and burn?

shieldspray.jpg
 
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woodchuck

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CajoleJuice said:
I'd bet on that more. Either way, the playoffs will NOT be a letdown. The MLB playoffs are the greatest creation of mankind.
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yeah, i have to admit the mlb playoffs are pretty fun and intense. but greatest creation of mankind? let's not get carried away. mankind did create porn.
 
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