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[Viola of the Abyss]

• Jack Tretton told Pach they definitely will not charge $599 again.
  
• Talked to Sony about Agent, Sony's words: "It's still under development".
  

The important parts for me.
I still need to see how they decide to play out the whole used games situation though.
After those comments earlier before from the UK representative we're back to square 1 for me.

 

[Azure J]

Pachter interview: Nintendo here to stay, PS4 won't be $599; PS4 cheaper than Nextbox

TAKE IT BACK PACHTER! I already went through Sega, losing Nintendo would be too much. ;_;

 

[Oersted]

I kind of feel bad for the rap he gets around here. And after listening to the interview also, he has completely a realistic outlook about Nintendo IMO. Some tidbits:

• Jack Tretton told Pach they definitely will not charge $599 again.
• Strongly thinks Kinect 2.0 will be bundled with 720 and make it more expensive than PS4
• Thinks everything on PSN will be behind a paywall, except multiplayer
• Feels certain The Last of Us will have a PS4 version
• Talked to Sony about Agent, Sony's words: "It's still under development".
• Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble.

Starts around the 34 minute mark: http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/20...day-gamertag-radio-michael-pachter-interview/

I have no problem with him, but this is kinda lame.

Known things, educated guesses and well, they told him. He is an analyst, he should deliver some precise outlook, how things will turn out businesswise. For example the paywall.

 

[Guevara]

Don't underestimate Sony.

You only buy once like they do with Vita games.

You buy Last of Us on PS3, code for the PS4 version.

(That's my guess.)

I would love this.

Play these games now, but have an instant library when I decide to update to a PS4 next year. It's good for Sony too because it incentivizes people to buy games now while they wait for next gen, and also to stay with PS.

 

[Nirolak]

Why is it "bad rap", I thought that was short for reputation.

A "rap sheet" is old slang for a police arrest record: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rap+sheet

Taken literally, a "bad rap" would imply you have a record of being arrested, thus meaning your reputation is bad because of this.

Taken less literally, previous things you have said/done are publicly known and recorded, and thus it has harmed your reputation.

 

[Tobor]

He has never been right. Dude is the Karl Rove of video gaming without the early success rate.

Except he is often right, and backs up his opinions with genuine analysis.

 

[PhatSaqs]

LMAO. Pachter loves to troll.

 

[ari]

So let me get this straight, the new Xbox might:
- Block used games
- Require an internet connection
- Be less powerful than the PS4
- Be more expensive than the PS4

If those all turn out to be true, will be interesting to see how many Microsoft can sell!

Every single one of those are complete rumors. The only thing that might be true is the lack of power. Seriously, 8 gddr5 as unified ram cheaper then 8 gb ddr3? Lol

 

[Dance Inferno]

1.2tn yen in cash and another 1tn yen in retained earnings.

Total in USD is about $24bn.

Uh, are they seriously sitting on ~$12bn of straight cash? Why aren't they doing anything with it (invest it in projects, make acquisitions, or at least return it to investors)?

 

[chertipros]

I am seriously concerned about the future of Nintendo now.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Kinect would have to be really special for Durango to cost more than PS4.
I thought Agent was canceled.

 

[Kolgar]

Would anybody reasonably expect Sony to go $599 again? Hell, after the PS3 situation, I bet they actively avoid that price point in all their product categories.

My guess is $449 or, more likely, $499.

 

[Tobor]

Uh, are they seriously sitting on ~$12bn of straight cash? Why aren't they doing anything with it (invest it in projects, make acquisitions, or at least return it to investors)?

Supposedly they are hoarding it to prevent a hostile takeover.

 

[gaming_noob]

If Durango is weaker AND more expensive then I'm going to wait for a price drop on that. If Kinect is the sole reason for it to be more expensive then arggggghhhhh

 

[ari]

Except he is often right, and backs up his opinions with genuine analysis.

What major analysis this dude used that gaf didnt know about two to three months before he said it?

 

[thesuperfunk]

Not sure about 'Agent' unless Rockstar are going to blow us all away at E3, having decided to completely re-tool it for the PS4 very early doors.

Would be interesting to hear why he thinks 'The Last Of Us' is coming to PS4 too ...

 

[btkadams]

why would including kinect make it more expensive than ps4? isn't sony's kinect similar? it's going to be included as well.

 

[HoodWinked]

less than 599.99 !

599.95 dat walmart prcing.

Except he is often right, and backs up his opinions with genuine analysis.

LOL dat sarcasm.

 

[Josh7289]

How is it even an option to lose money 30 years as a company?
How can share-holders put up with that for 3 decades without insisting on going third-party at least in the console space?

Well, I assume if they have enough cash to pay their employees' salaries, they could literally just sit around and do nothing for a while until that money runs out.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

13.7 billion as of 2011.

1.2tn yen in cash and another 1tn yen in retained earnings.

Total in USD is about $24bn.

Where are you guys getting these number from? Everywhere I've read is about 6b usd....

 

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Don't underestimate Sony.

You only buy once like they do with Vita games.

You buy Last of Us on PS3, code for the PS4 version.

(That's my guess.)

Their cross buy only works when you buy the more expensive version though. If you bought All Stars for Vita, you'd still have to pay whatever full price is to get it on PS3 (there should be a discount but there isn't).

Unless we are expecting PS3 and PS4 games to be the same price, which would be odd.

 

[MikeE21286]

If 720 costs more than PS4, the question is what matters more then at that point:

Graphics or Kinect 2.0

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Uh, are they seriously sitting on ~$12bn of straight cash? Why aren't they doing anything with it (invest it in projects, make acquisitions, or at least return it to investors)?

I was mistaken, it is slightly less, but basically so they can never be subject to a hostile takeover.

 

[Gahiggidy]

• Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble.

* overcome with sense of dread *

 

[MisterHero]

Uh, are they seriously sitting on ~$12bn of straight cash? Why aren't they doing anything with it (invest it in projects, make acquisitions, or at least return it to investors)?

Nintendo DOES pay dividends. They also buy back shares. The money is for emergency situations like the tsunami, or the worldwide recession, the US/Yen exchange rate killing their US income, preventing investor upheaval, etc.

 

[Coolwhip]

Damn, I just got my Wii U and Nintendo will be dead within the year?

 

[ape2man]

1.2tn yen in cash and another 1tn yen in retained earnings.

Total in USD is about $24bn.

HOLYSHIT!!!

 

[Zeal]

The guy sounds like he is making an effort to stop saying such ludicrous predictions. Basically Gaf got him to dial down the troll-fu.

 

[Osiris]

why would including kinect make it more expensive than ps4? isn't sony's kinect similar? it's going to be included as well.

There hasn't been any indication that that is true at all.

Sony have already said that they are not talking about what is or isn't bundled yet.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Where are you guys getting these number from? Everywhere I've read is about 6b usd....

From their earnings release.

 

[beast786]

If 720 costs more than PS4, the question is what matters more then at that point:

Graphics or Kinect 2.0

I think the basic for both will be pretty same in price. The only difference again might be pay for online gaming.

Then in premium models you might get move/kinect package, Gold/Gaiki type services for 3 month free trial.

 

[Ostinatto]

the link isn't working?

http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/20...day-gamertag-radio-michael-pachter-interview/

 

[Mlatador]

Who thinks the PS4 will be 500 - 550? It could be 450 at the very minimum.

 

[Tobor]

I think we have to distinguish between general predictions for the future of the industry (where he's often enough wrong*) and particular predictions for the industry (e.g. sales) where he's pretty good.

*But to be fair, who of us isn't often enough wrong when predicting the future of this industry ? I must admit if people asked me about all sorts of stuff all day I probably wouldn't have a much better rate.

It's also important to note that some of what he is quoted on isn't even a prediction, just his opinion on what he'd like to see happen.

 

[Liquidsnake]

I don't care about kinect. I never have.

I just want to play my games man.

 

[injurai]

If they are trying to push the Kinect as hard as I think they are it will be bundled with every console as a way to get it into every Xbox owner's house for sure.

Perhaps. I know that's what they want. They run the risk of giving Sony the upper hand. Which I'm completely okay with. It just seems they are on the razors edge this gen.

 

[btkadams]

There hasn't been any indication that that is true at all.

Sony have already said that they are not talking about what is or isn't bundled yet.

...but the controllers have move-tracking lights on them that they continue to mention...why would they not include the peripheral that makes them function?

 

[gemoran4]

How is it even an option to lose money 30 years as a company?
How can share-holders put up with that for 3 decades without insisting on going third-party at least in the console space?

I think he's referring to Nintendo staying in business and not going bankrupt. Not necessarily that they will be in the hardware market for 20-30 more years even if they lost money every year.

 

[dab0ne]

funny how pachter won gaf over

I never disliked him. As a matter of fact I value his opinion. The more opinions the more there is to think about thats what gets us talking about the industry.

 

[whyreggielie]

How big is Nintendo's war chest?

They have about 20 billion in assets according to forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/global2000/list/#p_1_s_a0_All industries_All countries_All states_nintendo

Some people are just throwing out random numbers in here.

 

[beast786]

...but the controllers have move-tracking lights on them that they continue to mention...why would they not include the peripheral that makes them function?

They are not meant as move tracking light.

 

[pvpness]

The important parts for me.
I still need to see how they decide to play out the whole used games situation though.
After those comments earlier before from the UK representative we're back to square 1 for me.

Same. I'm somewhat surprised that there may be a chance that the Next Xbox will be more expensive considering what the speculation says about the hardware in comparison to the PS4. I've always thought Agent was vaporware, so seeing that it's still in development is a surreal thing for me. Why would they hang on so long unless they actually have something? Wtf is going on with that game??

 

[MikeE21286]

I think the basic for both will be pretty same in price. The only difference again might be pay for online gaming.

Then in premium models you might get move/kinect package, Gold/Gaiki type services for 3 month free trial.

Personally, I really don't think you'll be able to buy a 720 without a Kinect.

I think both will probably be leaving money on the table if they don't have a premium SKU. The core gamers are ravenous for a new system.

 

[reson8or]

Out of curiosity love to see Pachter's predictions versus what ended up happening . What's the ratio is success Michael has, anyone have any info?

 

[hastethedav]

If kinect is bundled in every console is anyone else worried it is necessary to use the next Xbox? What if I never use it's implemented features and it breaks? I wouldn't be able to use my console until I shelled out for a new kinect?

 

[Deadstar]

So what happens if the next xbox is more expensive than the PS4, not because it is more powerful, but because it comes bundled with kinect? Can a less powerful system with kinect attract more attention than a more powerful system without it?

 

[saichi]

Don't underestimate Sony.

You only buy once like they do with Vita games.

You buy Last of Us on PS3, code for the PS4 version.

(That's my guess.)

sound like wishful thinking.

EDIT: Why does Pachter keep saying Wii is at 90 mil while it's almost at 100 mil?

 

[Hiltz]

I would kind of think Microsoft wants to try to get Xbox 720 priced so it won't have to sell it at a loss for 2-3 years. It's naturally gonna be losing billions of dollars in R&D on top of it. To make matters worse, Microsoft can't get Japan to like Xbox brand.

 

[Dance Inferno]

Nintendo DOES pay dividends. They also buy back shares. The money is for emergency situations like the tsunami, or the worldwide recession, the US/Yen exchange rate killing their US income, preventing investor upheaval, etc.

Gotcha, that makes more sense.

 

[Paches]

He has never been right. Dude is the Karl Rove of video gaming without the early success rate.

I want to be in his Super Pach.