MrNyarlathotep
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Pachter interview: Nintendo here to stay, PS4 won't be $599; PS4 cheaper than Nextbox
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This retarded image doesn't get less retarded every revision that still lists Prey 2 and Devils Third.
My bad. The only time I remember seeing a move controller during the PS meeting was with the Media Molecule demo.
Then again, it was like two in the morning and I was watching it on my iPad while half asleep.
Still completely unconvinced it'll be packed in though. it'll raise the price of the package which is something Sony will definitely be very concerned about.
Then again, it was like two in the morning and I was watching it on my iPad while half asleep.
Still completely unconvinced it'll be packed in though. it'll raise the price of the package which is something Sony will definitely be very concerned about.
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thepotatoman
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The Kinect 1.0 supposedly only costed Microsft $56 each at at launch over 2 years ago. Is the 2.0 version really going to be that expensive? Seems like they could easily make up that 50 dollars in ram costs.
Barbacoatl
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I'm devastated by dollar dash not coming to the u.
Boss Man
Member
It wouldn't be purely goodwill though, more people would be interested in buying the first available PS4 game just because it is. Also, I have to assume that a cross-gen title like that would sell under expectation on the newer console just because of how it would be perceived as a last-gen game (which it is essentially).
Plus, people who buy it now feel like they have more of a need to buy the PS4.
It'd be smart I think. Not expecting see TLOU on PS4 regardless though, especially not early.
It's a holdover from the 60s. Yamauchi never wanted to be in debt again after they saved the company, so they're fairly conservative with their money. They take creative risks, but financially they never bet the farm on anything.
They are investing in R&D for that type of stuff, but remember that their two competitors Sony and MS have access to absurd amounts of money and can shift money from one of their many divisions to the other. Nintendo is just games, they can't subsidize their consoles with OS income or movie sales.
Sir_Crocodile
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I read an interview with an analyst that sounded pretty reasonable today
http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/26/playstation-4-an-industry-analysts-perspective-3515887/
quite a shock
http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/26/playstation-4-an-industry-analysts-perspective-3515887/
quite a shock
MikeE21286
Member
That is an interesting way to think about it.
"Hey, I already have a game"
Thinking about the business side of all this (weirdly enough) is very exciting.
Uno Venova
Banned
Has there been any cost rumors on the 720, BoM predictions..anything that suggests the two can't be be competitive in price or that the 720 is 100 cheaper? I have no idea where these things stemmed from.
PS4 has expensieve RAM and Nextbox has Kinect, I expect those 2 things to roughly cancel eachother out and they will launch at the same price, around $399. Unless of course Sony decides to bundle the PS Eye, but I really can't see that. Matching MS's price is way more important and it can't be that important to the system else it would have had a bigger presence in their unveil.
Interesting to note that Agent is still in development, I would have bet money it was cancelled years ago. Guess it must be a next gen title at this point. You never know, R* doesn't have anything announced for next year right?
Interesting to note that Agent is still in development, I would have bet money it was cancelled years ago. Guess it must be a next gen title at this point. You never know, R* doesn't have anything announced for next year right?
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thepotatoman
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Logic says if Sony was positive they wanted to bundle it, they would have announced it bundled feature right there, and probably have an actual game to show with it instead of a weird thrown together tech demo.
I'm guessing Sony is waiting to see PS4 eye reception by developers/investors, the Kinect 2.0 reveal and reception, and the next xbox's likely pricing plans before deciding something.
njean777
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People thing the next xbox will be cheaper due to the ram difference. That is pretty much all people have to go on.
AgentP
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That $56 leaves a lot of costs out of the equation. It is safe to assume it will add at least $50 to the 720 BOM if included, and that is a healthy chunk of the total; less than the APU, but more than just about any other single component.
MikeE21286
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Hear is a somewhat informed guess at the cost of a ps4 thanks to some great work by zomgbbqftw
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514688
Early adoption rule my friend. I purchased the Survival Edition myself and I would gladly purchase a newer version if the game is as amazing as I hope it is.
BadAss2961
Member
Everything except his prices sounds reasonable.
Well, no in that case then. But I just don't expect a powerful new console like the PS4 to be at mass market price right out of the gate. I believe that $449 is the absolute lowest they'll go for the standard sku. $399 would be a miracle.
As long as Sony is releasing their console at the same time as the NextBox (or earlier), and isn't THAT much more expensive, they can compete.
Uno Venova
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Thanks, though I can't remember is PS eye is for sure being packed in.
Yeah, i think that's when the 100 dollar difference and PS2 comparisons started coming up.
I think it would Definetly be interesting if the 720 did cost more than the ps4 and was basically as powerful and came with the kinect BUT what would really make this interesting is if they do have BC and basically tell all 360 owners to go out and trade up for the 720 and receive like $100 to $150 off the selling price.
That could be a real good move for Microsoft I think.
That could be a real good move for Microsoft I think.
I can't quite formulate a coherent position on what I think MS' pricing will be like. I had kind of convinced myself they understood price of entry as a key component for the mass market and, given the rumoured (confirmed?) desire to be an entertainment hub, they'd find a way to subsidise the cost (i.e. like a mobile phone contract) or new revenue streams with entertainment aas the key driver. Hmm.
Syph Medwes
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I...would actually be ok with this. I'll get PS+ anyway, but that would be better than a silver membership on xbox.
BadAss2961
Member
I bet they'll go $399 regardless of whether it's a KinectBox or not.
Pachterballs
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how can ps4 be cheaper? :O
Alligatorjandro
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$399 would be awesome.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Has any entertainment or toy company managed to lose money for 30 years and survive?
Boss Man
Member
I think the idea is Kinect will bring the next Xbox's cost up. I doubt it will be more expensive than PS4 though.
Shtof
Member
I think they'll drop the Eye if they can launch at $399 and sell at a $50 loss.
Zoramon089
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So this guy on Gametag Radio podcast thinks the X86 processor is 32bit.
oh my god
Well if you didn't know that the jaguar was a 64-bit processor it's not like it'd be a strange assumption. x86 is almost always used to refer to 32-bit processors. YES, I know there are x86-64 but I'm saying, most of the time it's x86 vs x64
pieatorium
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the fact it has more than 3.5G ram should be a big giveaway no?
There is no way Microsoft will release at more than Sony.
Even if Kinect 2.0 is going to be super expensive for them, they will just go for a low price and the contract thing they have done with 360 slim this gen.
But there is no way they would launch at a full price higher than Sonys.
Even if Kinect 2.0 is going to be super expensive for them, they will just go for a low price and the contract thing they have done with 360 slim this gen.
But there is no way they would launch at a full price higher than Sonys.
XtremeXpider
Member
Look at the RAM costs for 2010/11, there's no way PS4's memory will cost >$100.
GTX 580 is GDDR5, 1500GB@$27.68 -> 8GB@$143.93
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I was thinking the same thing about The Last of Us getting a PS4 version.
Yes, 3 years ago, with less dense chips. That's why he's saying there's no way it's >100 USD now. And he's right.
TheGreyHulk
Member
They'll both have a $399 sku. I dont see Sony wanting to be the more expensive guy again. They'll match MS' price.
Kinect 2.0 inflates the price for 720
Ram inflates the price for the ps4
ps4 eye is shit. It's not advanced like Kinect 2.0. It's just a couple of cheap cameras + microphones. The cameras in your common cellphone are better.
Kinect 2.0 inflates the price for 720
Ram inflates the price for the ps4
ps4 eye is shit. It's not advanced like Kinect 2.0. It's just a couple of cheap cameras + microphones. The cameras in your common cellphone are better.
AndrewDean84xX
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But I don't want Nintendo to die, or for the PS4 to cost $599
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Another point with memory is that it seems to reduce in price quickly. PS3's XDR RAM according to iSuppli reduced from an estimated $48 in November 2006 to under $10 in December 2009.
And XDR was only really used in the PS3.
The last time he doomed Nintendo he didn't doom them to fail, close up shop, and go third party, but doomed them to not return to profitability in the near term.
Can Crusher
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Well I was already expecting PS4 to be more expensive so this doesn't come of as a surprise. I hope Nintendo stays around though, and that Ps4 can still be sold at 450$ max.
Beer Monkey
Member
Actually, camera sensors like CCD/CMOS/etc also drop in price majorly. Kinect 2 is higher res than Kinect 1 but it may cost the same or less to manufacture.
EDIT: Cheaper than launch Kinect, not cheaper than current Kinect. Then again there's that whole neck motor thing too.
we also have to consider the massive price reduction everything technology is about to undergo in the next 5 years. tablets are supposed to catch up to the ps4 within its lifetime.
i think nintendo very much takes advantage of the early adopter theory and thats behind the lack of good marketing or pricepoint early on. they can apologize and give free games all they want, they know damn well what theyre doing.
i think nintendo very much takes advantage of the early adopter theory and thats behind the lack of good marketing or pricepoint early on. they can apologize and give free games all they want, they know damn well what theyre doing.
All of what he said seems completely reasonable and I believe most of it will happen.
The nextbox price however, I'm not so sure. If MS plans to spearhead their console with Kinect, then there is a good chance we'll see a higher price. Otherwise it'll be the same price or slightly lower.
If Last of Us is confirmed for PS4, will anyone here wait to get it, instead of buying the PS3 copy?
The nextbox price however, I'm not so sure. If MS plans to spearhead their console with Kinect, then there is a good chance we'll see a higher price. Otherwise it'll be the same price or slightly lower.
If Last of Us is confirmed for PS4, will anyone here wait to get it, instead of buying the PS3 copy?
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