RustyNails
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I want you to expound on this barf post. Go.
Grover Norquist also said he wants to shrink the government to the size where we can drown it in bath tub.
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PoliGAF 2012 Community Thread
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The anti-Obama sentiment is very strong among Republicans and it will get them out, but that alone can't win them the election. The left HATED Bush in 04. Fahrenheit 9/11 grossed over $200 million dollars and the hate for him was very vocal, yet it didn't win them the election because Kerry had the charisma of a wet paper bag.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
He isn't speaking about reality, just what young voters might perceive as such. Four years ago, this guy promised me hope and change and I am still busting my ass 40 hours a week for 7 bucks/hr or am currently unemployed. Maybe this rich guy can help me.
Etc.
PhoenixDark
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Exactly. They've tried Obama for four years, it didn't work at all. So it's not ridiculous to think many young people will either stay home, and some will vote for Romney out of desperation.
We can focus on GDP all we want but at the end of the day UE is ridiculously high among young people and minorities. People are hurting, bad. It's not ridiculous to suggest they'll give Romney a chance
RustyNails
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First off, college grads who have been unemployed since Obama took office have serious problems.
Secondly, people are not going to go "I'm still busting my ass off today". They are gonna go, "I'm still busting my ass off today, but at least it's better than being unemployed". Same with every other voting group. "I'm busting my ass off, but I'm better off than 3.5 years ago when I had nothing going."
PhoenixDark
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I'd imagine more people are saying "I wish I was busting my ass off. I had a job 3.5 years ago, now no one is hiring."
http://www.facebook.com/BeingAmericanByGO
This is a prime example. Over 1.5 million likes. Seems like it's just a regular page about "Being American" right? Nope. Read the posts it actually puts up. It's right wing propaganda at it's finest. And the scary part it's not the ONLY one. It's about as subtle as a trainwreck to any of us, but to teens who don't follow politics....well...
It mostly true though. It's not like they are publishing outright lies or misinformation. The situation is worse for young folks than it has been for a long time. It's a combination of the economy, rising standards for jobs that shouldn't require it, and the baby boomer generation putting off retirement.
You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard the phrase "it'll get better once the boomers start retiring" in reference to job prospects. Edit: Not in reference to myself, I work in the education sector and that's one thing that gets a lot of discussion.
RustyNails
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RustyNails
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See my post above
speculawyer
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Yeah, as a wonk it is annoying to admit to it but the general charisma of a candidate plays a far bigger role than we would like to admit. Dukakis, Dole, Gore, and Kerry all had very little Charisma. Reagan, Clinton, W Bush, and Obama all had it. For those low-information voters in the middle that could go either way, this is probably a much bigger factor than we would like to admit. :-/
Romney is good looking . . . . but he is pretty stiff. The favorable/unfavorable ratings of him are crap for him compared to Obama.
Broken record: It keeps looking like Obama wins unless there is some big event to change things (economic collapse, war, scandal, etc.).
PhoenixDark
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It didn't work at all?
So all the rates were better under Bush, and Romney is proposing going back to Bush policies. Seems like a great strategy for Romney to me.
Can you stop your shitty trolling already?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The fact there are so many undecided is surprising to me.
He's going to make a Tea Party favorite his VP.
I don't know if you need Charisma, but you need more then your opponent. Unless a drastic event happens on the eve of the election cycle the incumbent rarely loses to himself, he has to lose to someone that is perceived better then him. As someone from personal experience I 'wanted' to vote for Kerry (My birthday to turn 18 was 3 days AFTER the election so I couldn't ><) but only because I didn't like Bush, but that's the thing, I already decided I would vote for anyone other then Bush, that isn't a platform to win over undecideds and it will never work unless he is so deeply hated that most the electorate would rather vote Satan in then current person. If the person is uninteresting or doesn't put out an image of actual change from the status quo, the incumbent will almost always win. The same issue is happening with Romney and it will something he will never shake off. His only 'shot' is beating Obama in debates and coming off as confident and electable, something he has yet to show in the debates thus far.
Invisible_Insane
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You think reversion to Bush economic policy is a winner for Romney? Seriously? I can't find more recent polling on the question, but you cannot credibly make that claim.
Those voters will hold their noses and vote for him anyway. If he picks a Tea Party loon, it's going to scare off a lot of independents, who he absolutely needs.
RustyNails
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Besides, the GE debates usually solidify the notions you already have about candidates. Unless Obama finally comes out and says he's a Kenyan Muslim during a debate, people will continue to favor him over Romney. You really don't pick up any polling points from GE debates. No candidate bets on it and it's foolish to bank on it. Romney's only shot at beating Obama is an external factor, nothing more. Not even SC striking down health care mandate.
mckmas8808
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WOW! It's early though.
Black Mamba
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Do you want me to chart the trend under Clinton vs under Bush?
It won't be pretty.
It was "better" under Bush because things kept getting worse under Bush until everything blew up in '08 when he left.
Bush's policies from '01 to '09 led to larger deficits, 2 wars, and economic turmoil and more income inequality than when he came in...
So Moxie takes four years to take effect, huh.
Officerrob
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Your trolling just jumped the shark
Aaron Strife
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Romney should pick Giovanni as his VP pick to lock up the Italian vote.
New "Purple Poll" (12 lean/toss-up states) http://www.scribd.com/TheHillNewspaper/d/91260021-AprilPurplePoll-v9
Obama leads 48-44. Up by 5 in Ohio, 2 in Virginia, tied in Colorado (weird), down 2 in Florida.
Dr. Pangloss
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Why are we assuming young people are one issue voters? I'm sure they will support the party against gay rights, contraception, and fixing inequality. Romney might get them jobs, but those jobs could be worthless like the ones Perry touted in Texas.
Someone on a friends facebook just link'd me to this article, and I'm floored (though I shouldn't be) at how intentionally misconstrued these laws are interpreted for the purpose of right-wing propaganda! Man, crazy stuff.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/25/Obama-Fallon-Appearance-Violated-Law
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/25/Obama-Fallon-Appearance-Violated-Law
That is weird to be tied in Colorado right now, but I wouldn't worry about that state for Obama. It seems to be pretty solidly blue now, plus they're having the initiative to legalize marijuana this year, right? I would assume that would get the youth vote out in droves and help boost Obama even more there.
Flying_Phoenix
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I believe the opposite will happen. I think they'll most likely calm down and realize they have to let some of their radical issues go in order for their wing to remain competitive.
An important thing you are overlooking is that in 2004 the "Youth Vote" demographic was much much smaller than it is today, as that was predominately Gen X. Today that age group is Gen Y which is a much much bigger pool.
In short, there a fuck ton more people in their 20's today than there were 10 years ago.
http://unlockthemysteries.com/factsgenxy.aspx
gutter_trash
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never count on the youth vote to actually vote
SouthernDragon
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Dude, I appreciate your shtick, but this is pretty stupid.
mckmas8808
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Scalia Likens Undocumented Immigrants To Bank Robbers
SAHIL KAPUR APRIL 25, 2012, 2:20 PM
In his fervent defense Wednesday of Arizonas right to crack down on illegal immigration, Justice Antonin Scalia likened immigration enforcement to crackdowns on bank robbers.
Whats wrong about the states enforcing federal law? Scalia said during his aggressive questioning of U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli. There is a federal law against robbing federal banks. Can it be made a state crime to rob those banks? I think it is.
The Reagan-appointed justice mocked the Obama administrations argument that S.B. 1070 unconstitutionally forces the federal government to re-prioritize its enforcement resources and go after undocumented people who are not dangerous.
But does the attorney general come in and say, you know, we might really only want to go after the professional bank robbers? Scalia said. If its just an amateur bank robber, you know, were going to let it go. And the states interfering with our whole scheme here because its prosecuting all these bank robbers.
The line drew uncomfortable laughter and some gasps in the courtroom. Its the sort of analogy that makes it easier for immigrant-rights advocates to accuse their opponents of lacking humanity. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants, advocates often have to point out, are not criminals and are merely trying to make a living for themselves and their families.
Angela Kelley, an immigration policy expert at the liberal Center for American Progress, said Scalias analogy is also wrong.
Justice Scalia is funny but his analogy is false, Kelley told TPM. As a justice, he knows that there are things only the federal government can do, things the states can do and some things both can do. In this case only the feds can deport unauthorized immigrants. In the case of bank robbers, either the states or the feds can arrest, prosecute and jail them. I dont think Justice Scalia is advocating for each of the 50 states to start deportation programs.
Scalia sympathized with a radical interpretation of the Constitution where states may craft immigration laws as they see fit to protect their borders none of the other justices went so far. Immigration policy is overwhelmingly viewed as federal turf, and even Arizona accepted that premise. Instead, the state argued that it was cooperatively assisting, not encroaching on, federal immigration enforcement. But Scalia pressed on nonetheless.
What does sovereignty mean it it does not include the ability to defend your borders? The states can police their borders, he said, suggesting that the White House opposes S.B. 1070 because it doesnt want [immigration] law enforced so rigorously, and that preempts the state from enforcing it vigorously.
The justices hostility toward critics of the Arizona law was on full display Wednesday.
When Verrilli argued that international concerns factor into the federal governments supremacy over immigration policy, Scalia angrily interrupted, So we have to enforce our laws in a manner that will please Mexico. Is that what youre saying?
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Are Supreme Court Justices usually this obvious with their political leanings? It's almost as if he's actually trying to run against Obama himself.
SAHIL KAPUR APRIL 25, 2012, 2:20 PM
In his fervent defense Wednesday of Arizonas right to crack down on illegal immigration, Justice Antonin Scalia likened immigration enforcement to crackdowns on bank robbers.
Whats wrong about the states enforcing federal law? Scalia said during his aggressive questioning of U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli. There is a federal law against robbing federal banks. Can it be made a state crime to rob those banks? I think it is.
The Reagan-appointed justice mocked the Obama administrations argument that S.B. 1070 unconstitutionally forces the federal government to re-prioritize its enforcement resources and go after undocumented people who are not dangerous.
But does the attorney general come in and say, you know, we might really only want to go after the professional bank robbers? Scalia said. If its just an amateur bank robber, you know, were going to let it go. And the states interfering with our whole scheme here because its prosecuting all these bank robbers.
The line drew uncomfortable laughter and some gasps in the courtroom. Its the sort of analogy that makes it easier for immigrant-rights advocates to accuse their opponents of lacking humanity. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants, advocates often have to point out, are not criminals and are merely trying to make a living for themselves and their families.
Angela Kelley, an immigration policy expert at the liberal Center for American Progress, said Scalias analogy is also wrong.
Justice Scalia is funny but his analogy is false, Kelley told TPM. As a justice, he knows that there are things only the federal government can do, things the states can do and some things both can do. In this case only the feds can deport unauthorized immigrants. In the case of bank robbers, either the states or the feds can arrest, prosecute and jail them. I dont think Justice Scalia is advocating for each of the 50 states to start deportation programs.
Scalia sympathized with a radical interpretation of the Constitution where states may craft immigration laws as they see fit to protect their borders none of the other justices went so far. Immigration policy is overwhelmingly viewed as federal turf, and even Arizona accepted that premise. Instead, the state argued that it was cooperatively assisting, not encroaching on, federal immigration enforcement. But Scalia pressed on nonetheless.
What does sovereignty mean it it does not include the ability to defend your borders? The states can police their borders, he said, suggesting that the White House opposes S.B. 1070 because it doesnt want [immigration] law enforced so rigorously, and that preempts the state from enforcing it vigorously.
The justices hostility toward critics of the Arizona law was on full display Wednesday.
When Verrilli argued that international concerns factor into the federal governments supremacy over immigration policy, Scalia angrily interrupted, So we have to enforce our laws in a manner that will please Mexico. Is that what youre saying?
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Are Supreme Court Justices usually this obvious with their political leanings? It's almost as if he's actually trying to run against Obama himself.
Black Republican
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i kinda want the obama/romney debates now, who would dare first?
speculawyer
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Oh Pffft. He was just pointing out that there can be overlapping Fed & state law. Scalia is an ass but he wasn't being one with that particular statement.
Stay home, or vote 3rd party.
It isn't just that Romney is a Mormon or whatever, it's also that to some conservatives Romney is just like Obama in terms of policy and style.
Black Mamba
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This article is sensationalist bullshit. TPM no stranger to total mischaracterizations.
Also, Scalia is a fairly conservative justice. What does this have to do with Obama?
It's annoying seeing the Court being accused of partisanship. As if the Justices don't vote a certain way because it's, you know, their actual beliefs?
el retorno
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I was reading that even sotomayor was even questioning the governments case.
NullPointer
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Not sure I've read the part where Jesus says we should tax the rich. But I get your general idea.
speculawyer
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Well, if the campaign has begun, it is time for pictures.
Cross-post from the Obama 2012 thread.
Obama 2012 officially kicks off on May 5th (Cinco de Mayo) in Ohio.
There are no coincidences in electoral politics.
Obama 2012 officially kicks off on May 5th (Cinco de Mayo) in Ohio.
There are no coincidences in electoral politics.
Seriously. PD either need to step it up or knock it off, shit's getting tiresome.
eBay Huckster
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It would appear that PD is fast becoming the Newt Gingrich of this thread.
Will he suspend his campaign if he loses the support of Delawarean GAFfers?
Will he suspend his campaign if he loses the support of Delawarean GAFfers?
RustyNails
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OSU represent!
eBay Huckster
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...god DAMN it I'm probably going to be busy all day working at the Cap City marathon too
hydragonwarrior
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...aign_n_1452899.html?ref=politics&ref=politics
So the obstructionism was planned that early? Have to hand it to the GOP for thinking that far ahead.
So the obstructionism was planned that early? Have to hand it to the GOP for thinking that far ahead.
Learn2read
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Bush v. Gore
Yup and that is how its going to stay, old, white, and disinterested
....and, scene.
PhoenixDark
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This is nothing new, the losing party always does this.
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