Mango Positive
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titiklabingapat said:
OK... this has GOT to be a setup. They are making this too easy. I can only conclude that they WANT Obama to win.
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OK... this has GOT to be a setup. They are making this too easy. I can only conclude that they WANT Obama to win.
I don't think he will. He's working right now to bring fundraisers together from the Clinton and Obama's camp, and I think his being (officially) neutral helps him in that role. Once the primaries are over on the 3rd, and Obama has crossed 2026, he'll endorse the winner. There's really no point in his doing so earlier.woeds said:
Just as McCain seems oblivious to the fact that the lobbyists on his campaign plays right into the central message of Obama's campaign, I think he's oblivious to how damaging his closeness to Bush is. Obama has been saying McCain is running for Bush's third term, and I haven't seen McCain dispute that once. I think Obama is going to be pretty successful at defining his candidacy for him.Mango Positive said:
It's pretty inept, but I think he's missing a critical window to push back on how Obama is defining him.
Souldriver
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Yeaah, I got an Obama shirt from a Dutch friend for my birthday.sangreal said:
titiklabingapat
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I think he's actually trying to frame the debate by using Obama's percieved weak point in foreign policy and playing to the fears of people with some hints of racism/dirtiness by brining up the Hamas connection(Hussein, hamas, terrorist, lolz).GhaleonEB said:
He's just doing it wrong by bringing Bush into all this and the unexpected response(for a Democrat) by from Obama and his complete lack of foresight like you've already explained.
The Librarian
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Just watch.Mango Positive said:
It's all part of the GOP plan. Have George W tag along... side by side with McCain. Then BOOM! McCain seemingly out of nowhere becomes enlightened! He is now rejecting George W! He's a new man. The polls start swinging. The media starts turning.
"McCain, Fighting the Old Politics"
"Johnny's Back, My Friends!"
...and up and up go the polls!
The public becomes so drawn up by the story. There goes that Maverick, John McCain again they'll say. He really is bipartisan, he was able to recognize the faults of the current president.
Dumb people will swing.
John McCain wins in November.
End of the World follows.
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VanMardigan
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Why is Obama being drawn into a debate on frickin Iran????!!!!!?????
IRAN???!!!???
With all the crap going on domestically, the skyrocketing cost of living, loss of jobs, crap economy, etc.????
The GOP would love it if Obama keeps this back and forth on Iran, because it distracts from their HORRIBLE domestic track record.
Leave Iran alone Obama, and keep reminding people just how superior your domestic policy is, cause I GUARANTEE you that's what people REALLY care about, not Iran.
IRAN???!!!???
With all the crap going on domestically, the skyrocketing cost of living, loss of jobs, crap economy, etc.????
The GOP would love it if Obama keeps this back and forth on Iran, because it distracts from their HORRIBLE domestic track record.
Leave Iran alone Obama, and keep reminding people just how superior your domestic policy is, cause I GUARANTEE you that's what people REALLY care about, not Iran.
yep.VanMardigan said:
Obama can't just let the attacks settle otherwise critics and sceptics will use it as some indication of his inexperience in the matter. Obama needs to combat it forcefully to retard the narrative that McCain has some type of accrued national security 'experience' over him.
Avoid the foreign policy debate and focus on middle class economic issues? That sounds like the advice of every centrist Democrat strategist the last six years, and exactly what Bill Clinton told John Kerry in 2004.
Let's not cede a vast swath of the political debate, please.
Let's not cede a vast swath of the political debate, please.
VanMardigan
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scorcho said:
Yeah, but if he's responding, he's allowing the GOP to determine the narrative. Same way he faltered when he let Hillary determine what the conversation should be about. I'm not saying to totally ignore it, but once he addresses it, he should quickly pivot to his strengths in the domestic front.
See above. Not a total concession, but don't allow the media cycle to be wholly a debate on frickin Iran.
Obama's critique of Bush era foreign policy and the politicians who enabled it is pretty central to his narrative, though.
It's a strength for him, not a weakness, and he should (and I think would) be hammering McCain on it whether it was brought up by someone else first or not.
It's a strength for him, not a weakness, and he should (and I think would) be hammering McCain on it whether it was brought up by someone else first or not.
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Mandark said:
I disagree, if only because the GOP has the innate ability to turn any foreign policy argument into a "who can keep you safe from dangerous terrorists" battle and win out on that. If National Security is the main narrative of this election, and NOT the economy, and NOT domestic issues, then McCain wins imo.
this.Mandark said:
woo hoo! finally got the professional renewal rate for Foreign Affairs. took too damn long. :/
the reason the GOP got away with it in the past is that Democrats nearly as a whole scurried away from such a debate, as reductive and fear-mongering as it is. Obama has an obvious edge in this, and while domestic issues will likely play a larger role this election, i doubt Obama is at a net-loss arguing against idiotic foreign policies.VanMardigan said:
let the town hall debates commence! now!
Father_Brain
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VanMardigan said:
Basically, what Scorcho said. The GOP has no such "innate ability"; they've only been effective at doing so because the Democrats have either ceded the debate to them outright, or uncritically regurgitated GOP-friendly frames about "strength."
maximum360
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Lou Dobbs is a funny man. McCain stands against everything he's been reporting on for years but he wants so much to hate Obama. :lol
Wow, they dont give up do they? :lol
Wow they seem really uspet today
http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=627#comments
grandjedi6
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Tamanon said:
Wait how do we account for Senator Byrd then?
polyh3dron
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Why are these hillaryis44 people calling him Obambi? What the fuck does it mean?
titiklabingapat
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McCain was the chief sponsor of his eternal hardon: manesty for illegal immigrants :lolmaximum360 said:
I'm not really sure how he is coping with the extreme cognitive dissonance
kkaabboomm
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polyh3dron said:
trying to portray him as young, naive, and inexperienced in life, like bambi, who became disillusioned with the world came crashing down after the mom was shot and killed.
vas_a_morir
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Oh, that's right! I get to vote tomorrow. Obama tyme. We of Kentucky GAF need to band together to try to keep the rural vote from making us look like WV.
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