No one buys physical PC games any more.Not really a fair comparison without a hard drive, disc drive(at least, if you want to watch blu rays or install games off discs), or any peripherals
No one buys physical PC games any more.Not really a fair comparison without a hard drive, disc drive(at least, if you want to watch blu rays or install games off discs), or any peripherals
No one buys physical PC games any more.
Ok then skip the optical drive. It's still missing a controller and hard drive.
What do people do with their old pc games though? Just throw em away?
Hard drive $20. Controller? Just use an old 360 controller you have lying around or one that works with whatever other consoles you have. If you want to play older games that are still on discs a drive for that will set you back around $10 if you can't just rip it from the old computer you used to play them on, but it's not like the consoles are great about backwards compatibility anyway.
For a 500GB maybe, but a TB is closer to 50. Also, the console comes with a controller for free.. You can't just not include one for the pc and hand wave away it lol
You can't use controllers from past gens on a console though, so... But a wired 360 controller is $10.
Lowest I can find is $25
Buy them on Steam for $5 or so is what I did.What do people do with their old pc games though? Just throw em away?
Yeah, the used parts price is hilarious. Bring me a PC similar to PS4 specs that costs $150 and comes up with BF4 and a lawn chair if you wanna compete with Craigslist used deals.
That is untrue for parts of Europe.No one buys physical PC games any more.
That is untrue for parts of Europe.
His point is: No one buys physical PC games any more.Pretty sure his point is that it's not necessary, not that you cna't do it if you really waned to.
opens up entire genres that don't or barely exist on consoles
without a segment of GAF descending on the thread to point out that, consoles are is still cheaper!! Nananananana (and often forgetting about higher game prices and monthly fees).
Not including a sound system or a monitor I understand (a lot of people already have a monitor from previous usage and a sound system isn't vital to the system's functionality), but you can't even use a PC without an OS and at least keyboard + mouse, so yeah, it does skew the price to PCs favor by not including those.The same reason we don't add monitor, sound system, and TV costs into this. There are literally hundreds of keyboard and mic options across the entire price spectrum. Bringing this up over and over again just comes across as being intentionally obtuse.
Not including a sound system or a monitor I understand (a lot of people already have a monitor from previous usage and a sound system isn't vital to the system's functionality), but you can't even use a PC without an OS and at least keyboard + mouse, so yeah, it does skew the price to PCs favor by not including those.
I want to know where people like you shop.You can't use controllers from past gens on a console though, so... But a wired 360 controller is $10.
To me, those Potato masher vids are mostly aimed at the entousiast PC crowd. They show that one doesn't need a 1500$+ rig to play modern games decently, i.e "at console levels", and that frequent parts upgrades are mostly a luxury.
Now, I can't help but notice that playstation owners are always the most vocal in "defending" consoles in these kind of threads. The same guys that like to shit on other consoles for beeing technically inferior.
This desperate race to the bottom. The difference we're talking bout is $100 or so. FOR A MORE CAPABLE SYSTEM. And anyway it's not about getting you to change systems, or attacking consoles (except in so much that facts about performance hurt some crazy people's feelings). It's useful info for people interested in getting into PC gaming. I know that also offends some of you for some weird reason. People can't say, PC gmaing is pretty a fordable, and low end hardware cna go a pretty big way and opens up entire genres that don't or barely exist on consoles, without a segment of GAF descending on the thread to point out that, consoles are is still cheaper!! Nananananana (and often forgetting about higher game prices and monthly fees).
"Hey guys, with some planning, and a few sales you can actually spend a week sampling some of the best theater in NYC, for pretty cheap! It's affordable. you won't be getting prime seats or anything, but there are great performance to be had".
"But I can just watch my kid's high school play for free". Can I watch Wolf Hall for free? No? Well, suck it then!
(Just to be clear i'm ONLY talking about differences in performance here).
I think that's a very premature conclusion to draw (though I know you're just repeating what the video said). As with the last Potato Masher video I saw, there are multiple errors and omissions of fact. Whether these issues are due to bias, ineptitude, or a lack of care I of course can't say. Carelessness is evident in the fact that he mislabels a piece of footage early on, but it doesn't seem sufficient to explain all the problems.The Potato Masher comes out on top on both tests, which isn't surprising.
As do your posts.
Not sure why some console users need to get so defensive at times. Those boxes are not made of pixie dust... the technology was not high end 3 and a half years ago when released so it's only natural that pcs that target console like performance can be built for so cheap as of today.
The potato masher series is great because it allows us, users of older pcs to check how capable our configurations are at running the latest AAA games. I have a pc very similar to the masher (fx 6300 - gtx 760 - 8gb ram) It's good to know that I will be able to get at least 30 FPS with decent settings. And also that I can pop in a new graphics card and a RAM stick and give my aging rig a ps pro facelift.
Which is exactly the pointIt seems to do a good job producing "fanboy shit" from both sides of the issue though. The only thing this seems to prove is that old parts for cheap can get you a comparable or better experience on a multi platform game.
These videos are fun. Don't know why folks get so sore over them.
You raise good points, but the same thing happens on both sides. Console warriors always make sure everyone knows they're cheaper, same as PC warriors making sure the console users know that PCs give better performance.
It seems to do a good job producing "fanboy shit" from both sides of the issue though
Oh my godSo he is comparing PC with used parts against brand new PS4? You can get used PS4 at least twice cheaper. PC can't compete with console in terms of value. 200$ PC won't even run WD2
So he is comparing PC with used parts against brand new PS4? You can get used PS4 at least twice cheaper. PC can't compete with consoles in terms of value. 200$ PC won't even run WD2
some wires get crossed when you try and communicate that point to people, because there's still a lot of people who figure that the point of gaming on PC is to jack up the graphics. why play on a budget PC unless you have to? much less buy the parts to build one yourself?He's trying to show that if you want to get into PC gaming, but have a console budget, it can be done. You don't need thousands of dollars to get started.
Yeah but can the videos play Bloodborne, Persona 5, Uncharted 4, Horizon, Yakuza, NiOh etc?
So he is comparing PC with used parts against brand new PS4? You can get used PS4 at least twice cheaper. PC can't compete with consoles in terms of value. 200$ PC won't even run WD2
People hardly finish watching because the narritive will always be the same for some.Oh my god
He's not trying to demonstrate that one is more valuable than the other. Value is subjective, not objective and varies from person to person by the way.
He's trying to show that if you want to get into PC gaming, but have a console budget, it can be done. You don't need thousands of dollars to get started.
How the hell is this so hard to understand? Did ANYONE watch the video? He literally explains this in every single one of his videos.
But they are not the same price. Can you build a masher like that for 400$ ? No, you can't, unless you spent hours browsing Ebay for working used partsPeople hardly finish watching because the narritive will always be the same for some.
The videos are more comparison of equal powered machines for the same price and the options you have with them as said above.
Potato Masher - ~763p +reconstruct, framerate 27-30fps; higher-resolution shadows, a few more reflections, selectable sharpening
PS4 - 1080p, framerate locked 30fps; higher-resolution textures, better reflections, higher draw distance
The fanboyism here is blatant and pretty embarrassingBut they are not the same price. Can you build a masher like that for 400$ ? No, you can't, unless you spent hours browsing Ebay for working used parts
They definitely can. Hell, even bundles for certain parts on newegg would sufficeI feel like "used parts" can be replaced with /r/buildapcsales and patience
For cpus especially microcenter is a good place.They definitely can. Hell, even bundles for certain parts on newegg would suffice
For cpus especially microcenter is a good place.
I got my 6600k for 150 there a while back.
I wanted to see if you can build a tiny pc on the cheap...
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.48 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($55.45 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate FireCuda 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($65.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card ($120.66 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 110 Mini ITX Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $452.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-26 00:42 EDT-0400
Dang, PCs have gotten cheap to build now. I can only imagine what Ryzen 3 will do.
I thought that too, but comparing the footage it's very obvious that PS4 is rendering at a higher resolution than the Potato Masher. Given that both are supposedly set to the same size output, only the temporal filtering can explain it.Don't the console versions also use temporal filtering?
What some people seem to miss here is that PC gaming isn't just about $2000 rigs running games at 1440p or 144Hz at ultra settings. It's about one thing: freedom.
That means the freedom to run what you want how you want on whatever hardware you want. It means people have options for how to get into PC gaming. The pretty graphics get the attention but at this point there's a shitload of gaming you can get done on just about any PC hardware. Many of the most popular PC games are optimized for the kinds of computers everyone owns.
This is bullshit. I bought a six year old Xbox 360 game on steam to play on my year old $400 laptop and it barely runs. If you want to seriously game on PC then you need to shell out on more expensive hardware and at that point you're better off buying a PS4 because it's $350 if not less and comes bundled with a game.
No offence but your argument is what's kinda silly.
Your laptop may be $400 but if you don't tell us the specs your example holds no water. There are $1k laptops that wouldn't run such games because they're designed for different tasks in mind.
Pumping money into something isn't the end all discussion in pcs.
And that's not getting into laptops will generally be more expensive than a pc that offers similar performance.