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[Temeculan3000]

Oh boo-fucking-hoo. Let him enjoy everything the US justice system has to offer the poor in America.

Hope they throw his ass into general population too.

They will hire a private lawyer to act as his defender or get a public defender from a neighboring district.

 

[Psychoward]

You asked why he posted his argument and I told you the context. Not my problem if you can't handle that. Other points he raised can be argued as desired, but his main point was related to mine from earlier. Also, you are quite pathetic to resort to quoting someone and then deliberately attacking them in the same quote by changing the username of the person you are supposedly quoting. Grow the fuck up.

And a world war is NOT what we are engaged in. Our soldiers were either killing Nazis or dying by their hand as their lives were in imminent danger. Your life is not in imminent danger as a result of these Nazis wannabes today. How stupid are you to conflate a genocidal world war with a tiny fringe group rallying at a fucking statue?! Pull yourself together. You've lost all semblance of perspective.

Further, we just had a guy from the town I teach in shoot up a ball game in Washington, DC. We have also had violent riots in Ferguson, MO (which I drive through 4 days a week on my way to the other schools I teach at) not long ago that were successfully anchored to the BLM movement. Folks like Malcolm X advocated to violent reactions to injustice and to this day the general populace hates him and refuses to acknowledge any of his ideas, even the great ones. Do you understand why Bush and Obama refused to label international terrorism with the Muslim moniker? Do you understand why ISIS loves the fact that Trump tries to label them as representing Islam? Do you understand how much harm came from the events at places like Gitmo, or Bagram air base? In a battle of ideas as important as this one you cannot afford to give into the baiting of the other side. You cannot afford to do their work for them and give them their propaganda ready-made on a silver platter. You cannot afford to throw away demographics that could easily stand with you and turn the tide towards burying these fringe assholes. Something feeling good momentarily does not do a thing towards solving the problem. It only escalates things and loses you allies.

The point is that the left does itself harm by advocating violence just for the sake of being violent. It sets the ideas we are trying to convey back a decade or more time and again. Assaulting people for what they believe in is NOT ok. It isn't ok when Nazis do it. It isn't ok when ppl on the left do it (see: various clips of Richard Spencer and his ilk getting sucker punched, check your favorites list if need be). It isn't ok when Trump supporters at a rally do it. It isn't ok when the victim of that violence is perceived to be a broader threat to our way of life like how right wing nuts frame things as they attack abortion clinics. It is NOT ok under ANY circumstances unless you are helping protect someone from imminent harm. Unless you are in such a scenario, there are better, smarter, more effective measures to be taken that do not require you to totally abandon your principles. Might does NOT make right.

I'm sorry a few main things stuck out to me

1) If someone is posting dumb conspiracies and blaming the left for the rise in violent nazis and refuses to back them up for months I'm going to call them dumb

2) I think I explained his post more eloquently because not only did he condemn violence, he also insinuated this happened because of Richard Spencer getting punched along with a healthy dose of alt-right talking points

3) imminent danger? No maybe not for me personally right at this moment. Danger if left unchecked like we saw yesterday? Yes. A white supremacist is the president, armed neo nazis are roaming the streets and you say our lives aren't in danger. Cute

4) punching nazis is always ok, it's not in my favorites but I do watch the gif with glee

5) do you realize how dumb it is to conflate Obama not wanting to call isis and the like radical Islamic terrorists with neo-nazis where the entire dogma is already radicalized genocide. There is no good neo-nazi.

6) riots after a police execution and the National Guard acting militant towards protestors against a racist police department being labeled as violent blm fringes which "lost allies" is just more proof that the white moderate in America is dumb as fuck

7) I'm sorry I still can't take you seriously after you said we need anti-nazi hate speech laws

 

[Lightning_Roller]

I'm sorry a few main things stuck out to me

1) If someone is posting dumb conspiracies and blaming the left for the rise in violent nazis and refuses to back them up for months I'm going to call them dumb

2) I think I explained his post more eloquently because not only did he condemn violence, he also insinuated this happened because of Richard Spencer getting punched along with a healthy dose of alt-right talking points

3) imminent danger? No maybe not for me personally right at this moment. Danger if left unchecked like we saw yesterday? Yes. A white supremacist is the president, armed neo nazis are roaming the streets and you say our lives aren't in danger. Cute

4) punching nazis is always ok, it's not in my favorites but I do watch the gif with glee

5) do you realize how dumb it is to conflate Obama not wanting to call isis and the like radical Islamic terrorists with neo-nazis where the entire dogma is already radicalized genocide. There is no good neo-nazi.

6) riots after a police execution and the National Guard acting militant towards protestors against a racist police department being labeled as violent blm fringes which "lost allies" is just more proof that the white moderate in America is dumb as fuck

7) I'm sorry I still can't take you seriously after you said we need anti-nazi hate speech laws

Wait, they said that? That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard!!! Like I heard really stupid fucking things today, but that takes the whole enchilada. Like holy shit, really?!? Anti-Nazi hate speech laws? Get real!!!!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Wtf are you talking about?! Your existence? What I said was that punching Nazis is not going to do anything but hurt the left and SOMEHOW you decided that makes me a white supremacist that thinks you should not exist? Some o you guys have legitimately lost your minds.

My right is my go to tho..

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Wtf are you talking about?! Your existence? What I said was that punching Nazis is not going to do anything but hurt the left and SOMEHOW you decided that makes me a white supremacist that thinks you should not exist? Some o you guys have legitimately lost your minds.

The only person who lost their mind is the one that uttered the phrase "Anti-Nazi Hate Speech laws".

 

[Oersted]

Hey thill1985, putting your obnoxious smugness aside(its like looking in a mirror) you do have a point.

USA does need strighter hate speech laws.


And outlawing guns in demonstrations. And better education. And has to get rid of confederate statues. And the willingness to persecute white people. And let black people live. To add just a few points.

But no, when you feel like changing sides when a Nazi gets punched, you weren't worth it in the first place.

The only person who lost their mind is the one that uttered the phrase "Anti-Nazi Hate Speech laws".

I'm still confused by that phrase and not sure if I got him right.

 

[Psychoward]

Wait, they said that? That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard!!! Like I heard really stupid fucking things today, but that takes the whole enchilada. Like holy shit, really?!? Anti-Nazi hate speech laws? Get real!!!!

doesn't even understand the purpose of hate speech laws/ the 1st amendment

Wishing something bad would happen to them is not the same thing as assaulting them. It saddens me how many folks here and elsewhere are willing to lower their standards to satiate some stupid blood lust. The principles we on the left clung to (rightfully) a week ago are suddenly gone for so many ppl. It's a pathetic way to respond to what happened imho.

The appropriate response should be to enforce hate speech laws to the letter and throw the book at ppl who engage in it. Even if that hate speech is anti-Nazi, btw. Threatening ppl due to their beliefs is not ok just because you really, REALLY hate the people you target and believe they are subhuman.

White supremacy is not a nation with soldiers. It is an idea and you can't eradicate ideas with violence. You have to work to marginalize those ideas within society. Push for tougher hate speech laws and push for their strict enforcement.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=246110382#post246110382



doubles down

You proved my point. You only pretend to have principles. You evidently will cede them eagerly if it satiates your emotions. You are more concerned with feeling good than you are with upholding the ideals you pretend are important to you.

Just because something feels good in the moment does not mean it is justifiable, nor should we abandon our principles in service of it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246133284&postcount=3073



unless I'm misunderstanding, not only does he think the current free speech nazis are offered is too oppressive, he also wants to make it illegal to use "hate speech against nazis" and throw the book at people that do.


lmaoooooooo

 

[Lightning_Roller]

doesn't even understand the purpose of hate speech laws/ the 1st amendment



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=246110382#post246110382



doubles down



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246133284&postcount=3073



unless I'm misunderstanding, not only does he think the current free speech nazis are offered is too oppressive, he also wants to make it illegal to use "hate speech against nazis" and throw the book at people that do.


lmaoooooooo

That's just ignorant. And completely stupid.

 

[Oersted]

doesn't even understand the purpose of hate speech laws/ the 1st amendment



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=246110382#post246110382



doubles down



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246133284&postcount=3073



unless I'm misunderstanding, not only does he think the current free speech nazis are offered is too oppressive, he also wants to make it illegal to use "hate speech against nazis" and throw the book at people that do.


lmaoooooooo

Hold on, he meant hate speech against Nazis? Well then disregard my previous post entirely.

 

[Psychoward]

Hold on, he meant hate speech against Nazis? Well then disregard my previous post entirely.

I agree with you and him, we do need stricter hate speech laws! Fortunately tougher hate speech laws would make life tougher for nazis and not in fact lead to people being jailed for saying they hate nazis and telling them to fuck off in to the sun.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Hold on, he meant hate speech against Nazis? Well then disregard my previous post entirely.

No anti-Nazi speech, meng..that shit is hurtful. Almost equal to wanting to kill Jews.............. ... .. .

 

[Jacksinthe]

also that not so subtle homophobia lol

Only coming back here for this since i got PMs over it.

You're talking to a guy who made most of his money in his early 20s working in a gay bar and slept in the same bed as a gay man on numerous occasions (oh noes!) :| Dig deeper in my post history for that one. It's in there since you are looking for ad hominems.

I frequently use slurs. Not my problem your mind jumped that gun and not me. I'll even call people "cunt" often. But I suppose your stunted American world view would label me a woman hater for using that term.

But, hey, gotta label people and try to make it stick. Keep thrusting!

BTW, there's more of the middling left like me on this board that don't sub to the echo chamber BS going on. If that's a problem, perhaps you should ask a mod for an OT safe space where dissent in the ranks is not allowed. I'm sure you'd be more comfortable there. Heaven forbid someone on your side has a different view of events (the kind that acknowledges our problems instead of sweeping them under a rug to sit on a high horse).

 

[WhatNXt]

Daily Stormer admin is trying to learn time and date of Heather Heyer's funeral...

http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/daily...eral-nazi-charlottesville-andrew-auernheimer/


These sick fucks...

If they doorstop this girls funeral I hope someone takes one for the team and goes eye for an eye on them. You waive your right to go about life unharmed and harassment free when you deliberately set about exacerbating the pain for the family of a murdered innocent girl. This is war on all common decency.

 

[theCalamity]

Wtf are you talking about?! Your existence? What I said was that punching Nazis is not going to do anything but hurt the left and SOMEHOW you decided that makes me a white supremacist that thinks you should not exist? Some o you guys have legitimately lost your minds.

You distilled this down to a battle of ideas as if they are to be settled through civil debate. Genocide is not a debate.

 

[excelsiorlef]

https://twitter.com/copcemetery/status/896947418536792064

Thread from a self-described Marxist about a vigil for Heather he went to. Wondering what you guys think.
He makes some valid points, but I feel like this type of attitude turns people off from the DSA and similar groups. I'm solidly to the left, but this type of intense criticism of neoliberals/center-left people kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's better to educate than condemn IMO.

Ehhh he's pretty bang on given the description of the vigil...

I'd say him saying he won't vote is straight up useless but the rest of it accurately describes the useless moderates

 

[GoldenEye 007]

This aggressive locking of threads is a bit annoying, but whatever. The UF thread was locked but I wanted to post that Texas A&M has banned a Nazi event for September 11th.

So if Aggy can do it, and you never usually go full Aggy, UF can too.

http://today.tamu.edu/2017/08/14/texas-am-cancels-911-event-reservation/

 

[Psychoward]

Only coming back here for this since i got PMs over it.

You're talking to a guy who made most of his money in his early 20s working in a gay bar and slept in the same bed as a gay man on numerous occasions (oh noes!) :| Dig deeper in my post history for that one. It's in there since you are looking for ad hominems.

I frequently use slurs. Not my problem your mind jumped that gun and not me. I'll even call people "cunt" often. But I suppose your stunted American world view would label me a woman hater for using that term.

But, hey, gotta label people and try to make it stick. Keep thrusting!

BTW, there's more of the middling left like me on this board that don't sub to the echo chamber BS going on. If that's a problem, perhaps you should ask a mod for an OT safe space where dissent in the ranks is not allowed. I'm sure you'd be more comfortable there. Heaven forbid someone on your side has a different view of events (the kind that acknowledges our problems instead of sweeping them under a rug to sit on a high horse).

>complains about ad hominems

>comes back only to single out a small addendum to my post and attack me with irrelevant shit


nice

 

[pigeon]

Ehhh he's pretty bang on given the description of the vigil...

I'd say him saying he won't vote is straight up useless but the rest of it accurately describes the useless moderates

I think the part where he says to kill all the liberals is uh overstated

 

[WhatNXt]

Ehhh he's pretty bang on given the description of the vigil...

I'd say him saying he won't vote is straight up useless but the rest of it accurately describes the useless moderates

He sounds like an angry edge lord wanker who wants to weaponise her death for his own agenda in much the same way as the people he's lambasting. Who is he to judge how others feel about it? I'm sure a lot of them marched that day with her. It could have been any of them. The spirit of his message is venomous nonsense.

 

[wutwutwut]

https://twitter.com/copcemetery/status/896947418536792064

Thread from a self-described Marxist about a vigil for Heather he went to. Wondering what you guys think.
He makes some valid points, but I feel like this type of attitude turns people off from the DSA and similar groups. I'm solidly to the left, but this type of intense criticism of neoliberals/center-left people kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's better to educate than condemn IMO.

I'm solidly to the center-left, but this type of intense criticism of socialists/hard left people kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's better to educate than condemn IMO.

(On topic: there's a place and a time to be an edgelord, but a vigil for a Nazi terrorist victim is not it.)

 

[Nekofrog]

Only coming back here for this since i got PMs over it.

You're talking to a guy who made most of his money in his early 20s working in a gay bar and slept in the same bed as a gay man on numerous occasions (oh noes!) :| Dig deeper in my post history for that one. It's in there since you are looking for ad hominems.

I frequently use slurs. Not my problem your mind jumped that gun and not me. I'll even call people "cunt" often. But I suppose your stunted American world view would label me a woman hater for using that term.

But, hey, gotta label people and try to make it stick. Keep thrusting!

BTW, there's more of the middling left like me on this board that don't sub to the echo chamber BS going on. If that's a problem, perhaps you should ask a mod for an OT safe space where dissent in the ranks is not allowed. I'm sure you'd be more comfortable there. Heaven forbid someone on your side has a different view of events (the kind that acknowledges our problems instead of sweeping them under a rug to sit on a high horse).

"Only coming back cause...." How about you respond to those pms and stop drive by shit posting if you have no intention on actually returning to back up what you say?

 

[mike6467]

Huh. Not sure this belongs here, but considering the origin of this protest why not:

Demonstrators just pulled down confederate monument in front of #Durham County bldg

 

[smokeandmirrors]

BTW, there's more of the middling left like me on this board that don't sub to the echo chamber BS going on. If that's a problem, perhaps you should ask a mod for an OT safe space where dissent in the ranks is not allowed. I'm sure you'd be more comfortable there. Heaven forbid someone on your side has a different view of events (the kind that acknowledges our problems instead of sweeping them under a rug to sit on a high horse).

DRINK!

 

[Psychoward]

DRINK!

I like the part where he implied I had a moderation issue with him and wanted a safe space instead of just calling out his alt-right news sources for what they are.

Or that he can't possibly ever commit a single homophobic act bc he has gay friends, even if I never called him a homophobe, just guilty of a single act of ingrained homophobia. Or when he said we were on high horses and said I had a stunted American worldview in a thread about an American event.

I'm gonna need a whole bottle.

Edit: oh that was fast, let's see how long it takes for the reddit, voat or YouTube comment/video about being persecuted starts.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Indifferent? Excuse me? You don't know anything about me so go back under your rock and stop attacking strangers just to make yourself feel better.

And fwiw, no, the approach I outlined worked extremely well during the Civil Rights era and will work again here too. The alternative was also tested in that same era. It failed miserably. Vast populations of ppl do not magically adhere to big ideas over night. It takes time and an intelligent effort to deliver the idea to a responsive, conditioned audience. Violence will not make Neo Nazis go away. It only emboldens them and makes you look weak and hateful to onlookers who have not paid attention. You can cling to your naive view of how ideas spread or you can do something productive, but not both.

Look at BLM to see how easily a movement's PR image and its ideas can be hijacked thoroughly simply by outsiders taking advantage of imagery. BLM has a shit tier approval rating with most Americans these days because of that PR failure. Having an emotional message is NOT a solution in itself. You need an intellectual response that can appeal to audiences in the middle and a smart PR strategy to deliver your emotional message adequately. Allowing for there to be violence committed in the name of the cause instantly alienates your target demographic.

One worked because the other worked.

And BLM has a poor approval rating because the US is a white supremacist and white supremacist tolerating country.

MLK whom you are using as a moral bludgeoning stick had identical poor approval ratings when he was alive.

 

[Oersted]

You distilled this down to a battle of ideas as if they are to be settled through civil debate. Genocide is not a debate.

I would say that is an idea. But it is not an idea which deserve a consideration, a space, a discussion... you get the point.

It deserves a crackdown by the state, humilation and once in a while a wellplaced fist.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Getting the impression people decided to pop in and defends nazis now that some time has passed since they killed and lynched some people

That about right?

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Getting the impression people decided to pop in and defends nazis now that some time has passed since they killed and lynched some people

That about right?

Yep. It just hit "both sides" o clock.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Yep. It just hit "both sides" o clock.

Well, as long as it's the usual suspects I suppose I'm not that troubled.

 

[excelsiorlef]

In America we don't murder others for what their beliefs are, no matter how vile or dangerous those beliefs are. We have other ways to punish them if they express hate speech [...]

No you don't...

Like that is literally part of the problem.

The US' largest civil liberties union literally sued to make sure the Nazis could march because that's the backbone of the US Constitution the freedom to hate and hate visibly in public

 

[RedAssedApe]

Huh. Not sure this belongs here, but considering the origin of this protest why not:

Demonstrators just pulled down confederate monument in front of #Durham County bldg

i hope their feet are ok

 

[WhatNXt]

Crazy imagery. Like.. Living history book imagery..

https://twitter.com/DerrickQLewis/status/897235297485901825

 

[excelsiorlef]

Daily Stormer admin is trying to learn time and date of Heather Heyer's funeral...

http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/daily...eral-nazi-charlottesville-andrew-auernheimer/


These sick fucks...

And the ACLU will defend their right to attend if they find out and the family makes any effort to stop them.

 

[Pesmerga00]

Yep. It just hit "both sides" o clock.

For fucks sake. One side is protesting to be who they are. The other is protesting being able to kill who they aren't. How is this a both sides thing? If killing is not the line where is it?

 

[pigeon]

For fucks sake. One side is protesting to be who they are. The other is protesting being able to kill who they aren't. How is this a both sides thing? If killing is not the line where is it?

When they start feeling actually in danger themselves, that's when they'll stop talking about both sides.

There's kind of a famous quote about this.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

For fucks sake. One side is protesting to be who they are. The other is protesting being able to kill who they aren't. How is this a both sides thing? If killing is not the line where is it?

You got me all wrong. I'm making fun of the both sides bozos. Ask them that.

 

[jellies_two]

I'm a bit sad at the number of adult anti-trump voices in my twitter feed who are showing such empathy and understanding for the young white male in the car.

How drug abuse and hopelessness is such an issue in the mid west and online radicalisation is a problem and how the nation needs to work to make these people feel better about themselves so they don't go doing stupid things like this, and how maybe this isn't terrorism but is just a lone wolf mentally unstable person.

I didn't hear any of this empathy from these people for any muslim related attacks, whether foreign or american citizens or european or from pakistan. They weren't screaming for blood but nobody was saying wait maybe whatever they did isn't terrorism maybe its just hopeless youth getting sucked into an online radicalisation mill.

There is a problem with young people not excited about their future getting dragged into radical communities online. I don't think the problem has ANYTHING to do with skin colour or religious faith. Either they are all terrorists or none of them are or something in between. Having more empathy when they aren't muslim seems to be more xenophobia just better disguised.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

And the ACLU will defend their right to attend if they find out and the family makes any effort to stop them.

I don't understand why people are still harping on the ACLU. They are lawyers so they understand precedent is everything. If even one case against someone whose views they oppose tears down a principle they want to uphold, it hurts everything else they claim to defend.

 

[Phrynobatrachus]

I'm a bit sad at the number of adult anti-trump voices in my twitter feed who are showing such empathy and understanding for the young white male in the car.

How drug abuse and hopelessness is such an issue in the mid west and online radicalisation is a problem and how the nation needs to work to make these people feel better about themselves so they don't go doing stupid things like this, and how maybe this isn't terrorism but is just a lone wolf mentally unstable person.

I didn't hear any of this empathy from these people for any muslim related attacks, whether foreign or american citizens or european or from pakistan. They weren't screaming for blood but nobody was saying wait maybe whatever they did isn't terrorism maybe its just hopeless youth getting sucked into an online radicalisation mill.

There is a problem with young people not excited about their future getting dragged into radical communities online. I don't think the problem has ANYTHING to do with skin colour or religious faith. Either they are all terrorists or none of them are or something in between. Having more empathy when they aren't muslim seems to be more xenophobia just better disguised.

the response to the opioid crisis vs crack is another great example of this

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

the response to the opioid crisis vs crack is another great example of this

Yep. That's a great comparison.

The amount of "we need to rehabilitate drug users" talk now that it's an epidemic affecting a huge amount of white people is very substantial.

It's the right thing to do mind you in regards to substance abuse, but they weren't saying that before...

And now with this terrorist being a young, white male automatically puts him into a position of being relateable in some sense to a great many people, especially during a fucked up political climate.

"that could be my son, brother, cousin, etc..."

 

[Carnby]

Trae Crowder, the Liberal Redneck just wrecked the "alt right" in his latest video

https://twitter.com/traecrowder/status/896835940756275200

NSFW but good shit

I FUCKING LOVE THIS VIDEO.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Crazy imagery. Like.. Living history book imagery..

https://twitter.com/DerrickQLewis/status/897235297485901825

That's so satisfying to watch. Fuck waiting for the state, remove that bullshit asap. I would have pissed on it

 

[Resident_UA]

Huh. Not sure this belongs here, but considering the origin of this protest why not:

Demonstrators just pulled down confederate monument in front of #Durham County bldg

Hey, that's exactly what Ukrainians did when we tried to move towards EU and away from Russia (Lenin statues in 2013-2014), BUT then Russia fucked us and EU stood and watched. I would not be too optimistic yet. It could get worse before it gets better...

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

One big logistical reason why people calling for extrajudicial violence are not thinking clearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-doxxing.html

Individuals are being misidentified as being at the rally.

Fearing for their safety, he and his wife stayed with a colleague this weekend.

”You have celebrities and hundreds of people doing no research online, not checking facts," he said. ”I've dedicated my life to helping all people, trying to improve health care and train the next generation of scientists, and this is potentially throwing a wrench in that."

For someone whose only sin was a passing resemblance to someone else — the actual man in the Charlottesville photo has not been conclusively identified — Mr. Quinn bore the direct consequences of the reckless spread of misinformation in breaking news, a common ritual in modern news events.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I'm not sure if it was posted, but Billie Joe Armstrong (from Green Day) released a statement about this

Omaha!! what a show! I love the heartland. nothing makes me feel more inspired than hearing an arena singing together.. so many thoughts today.. my heart feels heavy. I feel like what happened in charlottesville goes beyond the point of anger. it makes me sad and desperate. shocked. I fucking hate racism more than anything. music and social justice have always gone hand and hand with me. we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for "the time they are a changing" .. some people don't agree. the spirit of green day has always been about rising above oppression. and sticking up for what you believe in and singing it at the top of your lungs. we grew up fearing nuclear holocaust because of the cold war. those days are feeling way too relevant these days. these issues are our ugly past.. and now it's coming to haunt us. always resist these doomsday politicians. and in the words of our punk forefathers .. Nazi punks fuck off.

https://www.facebook.com/GreenDay/p...521.1073741830.21275344520/10155646918554521/

 

[stryker1138]

One big logistical reason why people calling for extrajudicial violence are not thinking clearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-doxxing.html

Individuals are being misidentified as being at the rally.

The inevitable, unacceptable risk for which the bloodthirsty armchair berserkers in this thread and others cannot spare a passing thought. Over the past few days I've watched people who cannot abide the death penalty for fear of executing an innocent person positively salivating at the notion of going vigilante and cracking some Nazi skulls open. The fuck happened to us?

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

The inevitable, unacceptable risk for which the bloodthirsty armchair berserkers in this thread and others cannot spare a passing thought. Over the past few days I've watched people who cannot abide the death penalty for fear of executing an innocent person positively salivating at the notion of going vigilante and cracking Nazi skulls open. The fuck happened to us?

Nazis cracked someone's skull open and killed someone else

 

[RedAssedApe]

I'm not sure if it was posted, but Billie Joe Armstrong (from Green Day) released a statement about this



https://www.facebook.com/GreenDay/p...521.1073741830.21275344520/10155646918554521/

just don't read the comments (as usual)

 

[Oersted]

One big logistical reason why people calling for extrajudicial violence are not thinking clearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-doxxing.html

Individuals are being misidentified as being at the rally.

Playing internet detectives doesn't work. Extrajudicial violence can work. I witnessed it. Not advocating it, but saying it doesn't work is naive.

 

[Ozigizo]

The inevitable, unacceptable risk for which the bloodthirsty armchair berserkers in this thread and others cannot spare a passing thought. Over the past few days I've watched people who cannot abide the death penalty for fear of executing an innocent person positively salivating at the notion of going vigilante and cracking some Nazi skulls open. The fuck happened to us?

Except that the neo-nazis have killed someone, and the opposing side hasn't.

This argument holds no water.