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What 'Spider-Man's 73% Fri-to-Fri Fall Means For Sony, Marvel, And other Cape films
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CassidyIzABeast
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Spiderman is Redbox status for me. I just don't care about seeing it on the big screen anymore.
Dash_Riprock
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"Competition"
The week prior to WW release was Pirates 5 and Baywatch. Opening weekend was Captain Underpants and The Mummy. Second week was Cars 3 and Rough night.
The best reviewed movie of the bunch was Captain Underpants and a 3rd Cars movie.
Now compare it to Homecoming going against Apes + all the baggage Spidey has with the audience due to the last 3 movies ranging from mediocre to terrible.
privitsan02
Member
Maybe people just didn't want another high school Peter Parker, even if it's done well this time around.
Hope those who were saying it'll break a billion or even top Spider-Man 3's box office are ready for crow. I see it averaging around the ASM series, with the benefit here being that the production costs were significantly cheaper, which to be honest shows in the movie.
Best wishes.
Hope those who were saying it'll break a billion or even top Spider-Man 3's box office are ready for crow. I see it averaging around the ASM series, with the benefit here being that the production costs were significantly cheaper, which to be honest shows in the movie.
Best wishes.
When have we had a HS Peter
Bobby Roberts
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Again, Apes didn't really do all that well enough to explain this drop. The audience overlap isn't that strong, and the presence of mind of that series isn't really that high.
This would be like suggesting Star Trek Beyond's opening really hurt The Secret Life of Pets.
didn't it already pass ASM2 and isn't on the way to pass ASM1?
Pai Pai Master
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But let's be real the takes go nuclear when a Marvel movie doesn't light the entire world up
Marvel releasing 3 movies per year now, pretty sure they know they're not all gonna do a billion+ every time.
VeryGooster
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Confused by this "WW had it easy" narrative because I don't know why all those movies tanking critically would have to do with their BO intake as if "rotten" movies don't make bank. At the time, Cars and Pirates eating WW's lunch could just as easily have been true and everything else is hindsight now.
Apes isn't this franchise killer.
I think Spider-Man will do fine, but it released in a year of some quality superhero movies and yes, maybe the poor 'Amazing' films still linger but Spider-Man as a premier superhero film franchise isn't the outlier it was in the 2000s.
Apes isn't this franchise killer.
I think Spider-Man will do fine, but it released in a year of some quality superhero movies and yes, maybe the poor 'Amazing' films still linger but Spider-Man as a premier superhero film franchise isn't the outlier it was in the 2000s.
plagiarize
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I see people continue to underestimate the Apes franchise. Too many blockbusters. Flips these movies around and Apes would have taken a massive nose dive too. It doesn't say anything about Homecoming. It speaks volumes about War.
privitsan02
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Actually nevermind, I just checked the author of the article.
Seriously, please put Forbes contributor in the title..
To respond to your quote, I do not think it will pass a billion but it will likely average around the usual Spider-Man grossing of 750-850 Million Worldwide.
Best wishes.
What did he mean by this?
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You named all the movies plural Wonder Woman was up against
then you named 1 movie singular movie that Spider-Man was up against
What are you arguing again?
I remember reading plenty of posts criticizing Wonder Woman for opening smushed betweenThe Mummy, Cars 3, Pirates 5, Transformers 7, etc and how poor an experience that would be.. Funny how the narrative changed so much
Apes did pretty poorly.
Sectorseven
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Why does it matter if someone is a Forbes contributor? Doesn't that just mean they're a freelancer, or is it like a blog where anyone can upload?
Wonder Woman having it "Easy" is such an internet revisionist history
The movie was sandwiched in-between a bunch of billion dollar franchises with Pirates, Cars and Transformers.
Gal was a relatively unknown actress going against essentially Hollywood Royalty (at some point) with Johnny Depp and Tom Cruise movies around her.
The film also had to overcome the critical panning that the first 3 films in the universe had.
Now things worked well in her favor that a lot of the films turned out to be critical stinkers, but there's no way to plan for that.
The movie was sandwiched in-between a bunch of billion dollar franchises with Pirates, Cars and Transformers.
Gal was a relatively unknown actress going against essentially Hollywood Royalty (at some point) with Johnny Depp and Tom Cruise movies around her.
The film also had to overcome the critical panning that the first 3 films in the universe had.
Now things worked well in her favor that a lot of the films turned out to be critical stinkers, but there's no way to plan for that.
shira
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1 week at IMAX and 3D priority means is a big deal.
They could have added a few extra millions.
Spiderman had 3 weeks of IMAX and 3D priority
JesseEwiak
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Basically the latter. '
Also, actual weekend takes came in and Spidey dropped 61%, which is basically the same as GOTG 2 (55%).
This.
It's not as if Spidey is some 70 RT tier movie, it's as well rated as WW and it's not doing as well.
The crux is somewhere else, somewhere within the movie itself. it's just not gathering monstrous enthusiasm.
Still, it's doing well, and it's gonna make mad money, can't understand the doom and gloom narrative.
Yes, it was not a record breaking success, but at the same time, the movie wasn't trying to be it either,
Magnifique. *Chef Kiss*
I'd say it's a bit of Marvel fatigue. They're becoming pretty formulaic. Personally I didn't feel Spidey was part of their standard formula but oh well.
I'm not suggesting Apes was the sole reason for the drop since this is in line with most Spidey movies but it didn't help.
Also, while I get your point its a bit disingenuous compare the audiences for Apes and Homecoming to Trek and Pets.
plagiarize
Banned
How many screens did it steal?
There's probably a helluva lot more crossover between superhero blockbuster vs sci-fi action movie, and another sci-fi action movie vs a terrible looking kids movie
Bobby Roberts
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I dont' think it is. I mean, it's not one-to-one, but for the purposes of comparison, I think it fits pretty well.
When Beyond hit, Pets was on its 3rd weekend. Ghostbusters was on its 2nd, but it wasn't anywhere as well recieved critically or financially as Homecoming was, so I thought Pets worked better, considering the film's appeal and reception.
Beyond and Apes 3 have a fair amount in common, honestly.
This should be a year in which the "superhero movie fatigue" is finally killed off, not embraced.
Spider-Man
Wonder Woman
Logan
and
GoTG2 have all performed phenomenally well in a year in which so many non-superhero films under-performed.
Spider-Man, as so many other posters pointed out, had to undo all of the damage from SM3, ASM, and particularly ASM2 to rebuild. It's not like the movie will lose money. It'll still do quite well and should improve the public's perception of Spider-Man films in general, much as Batman Begins set the stage for successive Batman films to do better.
Spider-Man
Wonder Woman
Logan
and
GoTG2 have all performed phenomenally well in a year in which so many non-superhero films under-performed.
Spider-Man, as so many other posters pointed out, had to undo all of the damage from SM3, ASM, and particularly ASM2 to rebuild. It's not like the movie will lose money. It'll still do quite well and should improve the public's perception of Spider-Man films in general, much as Batman Begins set the stage for successive Batman films to do better.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, making the argument that audiences are fatigued by superheroes in what appears to be the single best year for that genre? I'm not seeing it.
This year has had a lot of superhero films released, all of them have been recieved very well critically, financially there have been some amazing runs on top of that - as K-Swiss pointed out, the average for all these films combined is going to be something like just under 800 mil worldwide.
By the time the year winds out, it's probably gonna be something like every superhero film released in 2017 is a legitimately good one, with a couple great ones in the mix, and the group average will be pretty close to $300 mil domestic.
Hard to make the argument for superhero fatigue there.
This year has had a lot of superhero films released, all of them have been recieved very well critically, financially there have been some amazing runs on top of that - as K-Swiss pointed out, the average for all these films combined is going to be something like just under 800 mil worldwide.
By the time the year winds out, it's probably gonna be something like every superhero film released in 2017 is a legitimately good one, with a couple great ones in the mix, and the group average will be pretty close to $300 mil domestic.
Hard to make the argument for superhero fatigue there.
5 of the worldwide Top 10 this year are likely to be comic films.
Edit: All 6 of the live action marvel/dc films are likely to be in the domestic top 10. At worst, Thor will underperform, or Logan will end up #11.
The same year Guardians of the Galaxy 2 outgrosses its breakout predecessor?
Where Wonder Woman has the strongest hold of any superhero movie in 15 years?
I thought that baggage is negated from being in the MCU... and riding all that momentum. Isn't WW fighting off the baggage of MOS/BvS/SS?
I mean going into it, Cars 3 and Transformers seemed like they'd put up a bigger fight to WW than Despicable Me and War.
Principate
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What you talking about willis. Compare the grosses of those films at launch and the crossover with ww and compare to war. It's not even close
I'm arguing with the benefit of hindsight that while the quantity of big franchises against WW was higher the quality low .
TheDarkKnight774
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Regardless of quality I think it needed a better hook than "it's now in the MCU!" As it's big hook. It was high school Parker...again. Learning the ropes...again. It's been done enough times before that. It needed to do something to shake things up more. I contend it would have performed stronger if it started with Peter as a veteran Spider-Man, out of college, already dating MJ, dealing with things besides HS drama
Username1198
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They should just do the clone saga and have Toby and what's his face in it
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Spider Man 1, Amazing Spider Man 1 and 2
Spider-man 1, ASM 1, ASM 2.
The only good thing that ever happened with HS Spider-Man was getting shot and dying in USM.
True Savior
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bomba
the genre is dead.
the genre is dead.
Shit, even push things even further into "Big-TIme" era Horizon Labs territory where he's an actual scientist.
It was 61% from weekend to weekend.
The 73% Friday drop is a nearly meaningless statistic here, that was put in the title of the article to make it look worse than it really was.
Homecoming is doing great.
kunonabi
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Yeah that would felt far fresher especially if they were married since we dont actually have an mcu hero in a really serious relationship yet. I mean if they wanted to skew younger id still rather have seen annie iincluded since that could have potentially played super well with families more so than high school pete.
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