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GAF-HOP: New Official 2010+ Thread of "hiphop ain't dead"

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Recon

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enzo_gt said:
It's the infinite GAF-Hop cycle. Alternating weeks of intense Kanye hate, and intense Kanye standom. Only siddx stays planted in the former, and I stay planted in the latter throughout the fire and the flames. At this point I don't have the energy anymore to argue ridiculous Kanye criticisms created to make someone else look better in comparison. All Cole's got on Ye is the wordplay and lyrical ability, though I still relate to Kanye much more.

On Week 1 we have some outsider ask us if we've heard of Odd Future and on Week 2 we have the best Ghostface album discussion. On Week 1 we discuss proper places to wear sunglasses, and on Week 2 we discuss who won. Rinse. Wash. Repeat. Where that April mixtape roundup at?

I have a question, what exactly do you relate to with Kanye? I can see his first two albums being easy to relate to, but not MBDTF. I honestly dont know who could relate to MBDTF other than Kanye and maybe a magical Elf thats high on PCP.


exarkun said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQE_LQCFw2E

Bill Clinton by LiL B. Me and my boy were like "damn, that shit is hard" and a few white girls by us kind of looked a little miffed but then were like "omg he talks about real stuff!". I love it, too funny.


What real stuff is he talking about? Jesus that song is horrid, it makes the new Cole track sound Genius level.
 

siddx

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Disgusting is horrible. But its still better than anything on MBDTF.
 

enzo_gt

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PhoenixDark said:
Did I mention J Cole writes his own lyrics? Didn't prepare for Hate on Conway Week
Your getting rusty with the hate, son.

exarkun said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQE_LQCFw2E

Bill Clinton by LiL B. Me and my boy were like "damn, that shit is hard" and a few white girls by us kind of looked a little miffed but then were like "omg he talks about real stuff!". I love it, too funny.
This is one of my favourite songs from Lil B. Didn't know it had a video, awesome.

siddx said:
Disgusting is horrible. But its still better than anything on MBDTF.
Now this is what I'm talking about!
 

Recon

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I know i say this every month or so...but wtf @LilB....I just dont get it, his voice is grating, his lyrics make Souljah Boi look God Tier, and his constant use of swag makes me want to punch a baby kitten...and i like kittens...
 

Kaizer

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ReconYoda said:
I have a question, what exactly do you relate to with Kanye? I can see his first two albums being easy to relate to, but not MBDTF. I honestly dont know who could relate to MBDTF other than Kanye and maybe a magical Elf thats high on PCP.
Pretty much the reason I didn't really like it. I felt like the whole album Kanye is like "look guys, I'm so artistic and creative. let me throw a bunch of money around for overproduced and overly long songs" rather than letting the artistry speak for itself through good songs. Besides All of the Lights, Blame Game and Gorgeous, the songs he released on G.O.O.D. Friday get more replay than MBDTF.

Monster & So Appalled felt like posse cuts that didn't fit in at all.

exarkun said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQE_LQCFw2E

Bill Clinton by LiL B. Me and my boy were like "damn, that shit is hard" and a few white girls by us kind of looked a little miffed but then were like "omg he talks about real stuff!". I love it, too funny.
So dope.
 

Kimosabae

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Never knew good music had to be "relatable".

Let me hear what's on your mind - fact or fiction. Your story or someone else's. Just make sure it's stimulating.
 

enzo_gt

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ReconYoda said:
I have a question, what exactly do you relate to with Kanye? I can see his first two albums being easy to relate to, but not MBDTF. I honestly dont know who could relate to MBDTF other than Kanye and maybe a magical Elf thats high on PCP.
For starters, Blame Game is some of the realist shit ever, and it timed coincidentally with a relationship that I got out of. You know when you get out of something of the sort and find connections in a song everywhere? That's Blame Game. The entire album is kind of a sonic representation of someone going through an emotional high, getting crushed, doubting themselves, placing themselves in a state of mania, reflecting back on what has happened, and then finally coming to some sort of self-actualization after being, erm, lost in the world. So yeah I find that pretty applicable to life as a whole, and generally stuff I've been through. It's not a self help tape, and it isn't a concept album, but from the sequencing of sounds across the album to the progression of subject matter across the album it just feels like a stream of emotions put onto a disc. This is why All of the Lights is unapologetic in it's brash presentation and Hell of a Life is so demonic and twisted thematically after Runaway and Devil in a New Dress setting up the sort of downfall in the manic kind of state.

I guess if you can't relate to it then this all sounds like a bunch of self-fulfilling prophecy hooey though, so I don't blame you if you don't get the appeal. I actually listened to the entire album again this morning. sogood.gif
 

Grzi

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Yeah, man, I relate to every Clipse song. Cause I'm a drug dealer and all.
If you never were a drug dealer you shouldn't listen to the Clipse, yo.
 

IrishNinja

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^some people dig bravado, some people dig coke rap cause of the money it talks. some just dig hard neptunes beats.

i dont at all relate to some hip-hop that i love, doesnt take from the connection i have with the stuff i do, though.
 

siddx

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Even if I don't relate to the actual content, I relate to the emotions behind them. Be it anger, frustration, sadness, happiness, fear, and so on. My issue with an album often revolves around not finding the emotion behind the content to be convincing or honest. I hate to harp on Kanye more, but that was my issues with Fantasy. I believed him on his first three albums and even though I disliked the songs on 808, the emotion there was still believable (to a degree). Fantasy sounds disingenuous to me, every emotion feels fake and forced.
It's my issue with Jay Z too. Whenever he tries to do a more serious song, I just don't buy it, it sounds unconvincing. I'd rather he just stick to making party songs.
 

Recon

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Grzi said:
Yeah, man, I relate to every Clipse song. Cause I'm a drug dealer and all.
If you never were a drug dealer you shouldn't listen to the Clipse, yo.

I never said anything of the sort..YO... I was merely replying to him saying he related to Kanye, and i asked why..Reading Comprehension FTW.


Kimosabae said:
Never knew good music had to be "relatable".

Let me hear what's on your mind - fact or fiction. Your story or someone else's. Just make sure it's stimulating.

Again, i never said any such thing.


EDIT: Im just going to say, please actually read a post before going off on the poster for something he never said or implied. Thank you...YO
 

methodman

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heard a rumor that lil wayne and currensy were going to make a collab album or mixtape

so for possible collabs i got

royce and em
lil wayne and currensy

with

jay and kanye way behind.
 

Recon

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methodman said:
heard a rumor that lil wayne and currensy were going to make a collab album or mixtape

so for possible collabs i got

royce and em
lil wayne and currensy

with

jay and kanye way behind.

Royce and Em>>>>>>>>>>> Kanye and Jay-Z. Pretty much any Collabo with Jay-Z is going to be a let down.
 
methodman said:
heard a rumor that lil wayne and currensy were going to make a collab album or mixtape

so for possible collabs i got

royce and em
lil wayne and currensy

with

jay and kanye way behind.

Wasn't that a joke thread on SOHH last week lol?
 

methodman

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PhoenixDark said:
Wasn't that a joke thread on SOHH last week lol?

damn man, again?

lol my cousin reads all his shit from SOHH and texted me earlier with "lil wayne/ currensy collab album per sohh."

dumbass. second time he's done this. Kinda sucks though, Pilot Talk 1/2 are my shit, and I still really like wayne too
 

enzo_gt

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siddx said:
Even if I don't relate to the actual content, I relate to the emotions behind them. Be it anger, frustration, sadness, happiness, fear, and so on. My issue with an album often revolves around not finding the emotion behind the content to be convincing or honest. I hate to harp on Kanye more, but that was my issues with Fantasy. I believed him on his first three albums and even though I disliked the songs on 808, the emotion there was still believable (to a degree). Fantasy sounds disingenuous to me, every emotion feels fake and forced.
It's my issue with Jay Z too. Whenever he tries to do a more serious song, I just don't buy it, it sounds unconvincing. I'd rather he just stick to making party songs.
Honestly, I felt MBDTF was one of his more inspired and say, motivated albums. The emotion felt believable if you take into context the position he put himself in for the months before. I genuinely felt like there was drive behind all of the songs to convey some emotion. Graduation and Late Registration I think definitely had less structure, and also less emotion as a whole.

MBDTF is this weird kind of emotional rollercoaster that was recorded and broken down frame by frame. Then each one of those frames was glorified to create a sort of vivid representation of one's mindstate at a given period of time, and how it changes as time passes in the context of the album as a whole.

I always thought your problem was that Ye was tootin his own horn a bit, production wise. That I could understand, but I though it was pretty thematically sound, and was plenty genuine rather than constructed for some sort of specific reaction he wanted.
 

siddx

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Well Wayne did do a bunch of songs with Juelz "dollar mart generic brand Cam'Ron" Santana so I'm sure he wouldn't mind collabing with "more talented than Juelz but not quite talented enough to steal Wayne's spotlight" Currency.
 

Recon

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siddx said:
Well Wayne did do a bunch of songs with Juelz "dollar mart generic brand Cam'Ron" Santana so I'm sure he wouldn't mind collabing with "more talented than Juelz but not quite talented enough to steal Wayne's spotlight" Currency.

I dont get the love Currensy gets around here. I have Pilot Talk 1/2 and i find him merely competent and decent. I hear the new Currensy/Alch tape is good, but i havnt heard it yet.
 

HiResDes

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*(From Left To Right, not in Ranking Order)*


1. Self-Scientific - Trials of the Blackhearted - Overall the best free album released this month in terms of pure aesthetics. On some deeper, melancholic shit akin to an Atmosphere album, but definitely feels less Velveta (yes I'm taking shots lol). It's also not as one-sided featuring both high and mellow levels of aggression, and features great production that focuses on tight mastering and clean structures rather than messy overproduction and rapping as solid as any current rap standby. You've heard stuff similar, but nothing done quite as solidly like this in a while.
2. Curren$y - Covert Coup - The very pinnacle of chill, weed rap. Let's be honest you don't need me to recommend this, if you haven't already downloaded this at the mere mention of Spitta and Alchemist you're probably in the wrong place.
3. Trouble- December 17th - The hardest banging free album for the car released this month in terms of pure aggression and delivery. Trouble's southern sounding bravado is every bit as hype as Wacka without stooping to a braindead level of repetition.There are like two soft ass songs on this thing, but the rest goes. Just go ahead and delete that soft ass shit and put this on when you feel like slapping a motherfucker. Turn your shit up to 80, and if your shit don't go up to 80 get your system souped or something!
4. Dee Goodz- Floetic Justice 2: B.O.T.H. (Actually missed this last month) - Dude has the flow of the century, he and Chuuwee rap so effortlessly shit is ridiculous. This is the usual smart, weed rap that Dee Goodz does so well. Just something you can kick back to light up a joint and cook up something productive while under the influence to, a warm cozy musical sounding mixtape/album.
5. Rockwell Powers & Ill Pill- Kids in the Back 2 - Only second to the Alchemist joint in terms of overall best production for this month, this thing is greater than backpack rap. Rockwell is a real down to earth rapper, not super flashy, but has a great delivery and hits solidly on all levels. This is a real meat and potatoes album, with some intelligence, and near perfect mastering. This might be the safest winner, everyone should be able to appreciate it.

6. Green Street - Don't Look Down - This might be the chillest release of the month, which is pretty surprising considering both DZA and Spitta released shit as well. Pretty much the perfect marriage of jazzy beats, catchy hooks, and reflective lyrics. And what's best is that these guys seem to have a great sense of humor as well, very conscious of the type of music they're crafting and of their listeners.
7. M.I. - Prep Time - This album is a testament to how to make dope soft ass tracks, Wiz should take notes. Prep Time speaks to heart my heart, lol. No, but seriously these are soft-ass tracks without any of the cringe factor that don't sound mass manufactured or thrown together in two seconds. This is also a great album to throw on whenever, or if ever you have some females over for a little drinking/smoking.
8. Aleon Craft - Mothership Decatur - Probably the best release to net an eight spot on one of my lists, but about one third of the songs are old to me, and the album seems to suffer from the same ups and downs as past AC releases. However, when Aleon Craft is on his shit he sounds like the missing link between Big Boi and Andre 3K. For example, Simplistic Expression is my most favorite track to come out on any of these releases this month, and yet I still chose to put this release near the bottom just because of how uneven this thing is. But I have to say this is by far the most ambitious release as well, in terms of creative expression it doesn't sound like much else being made today. It's soulful and it bangs at times. If you like southern rap I'm sure you'll find something to like on here.
9. Fabolous- The S.O.U.L. Tape - Oh man if you know me you know I'm not usually a fan of mixtapes with a bunch of rehashed beats, but these are all so well picked that this thing flows like an album. Fabolous is also hungry as hell, far from that soft ass Baby shit, in any other month this would have been top two. Such a soulful tape as the tape implies, Fabolous shows what he can do with great production, instead of the pop shit he gets fed on many of his more recent album tracks.
10. Smoke DZA - The Hustlers Catalog - Quintessential weed rap, but slightly more well-rounded than the usual DZA affair. Also the production seems a bit more varied, some of tracks actually bang pretty hard, like Fuck is You Talkin' About. DZA has swagger to cover up a few of the weaknesses in his rapping technique, just a guy that knows how to accentuate his strengths. However, he constantly gets overshadowed by his features on his albums. His style is like the middle ground between K.R.I.T. and Spitta with a NYC-flair...Although maybe that's giving him a bit too much credit. : )
 

Kaizer

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enzo_gt said:
I genuinely felt like there was drive behind all of the songs to convey some emotion. Graduation and Late Registration I think definitely had less structure, and also less emotion as a whole.
I think this is what I didn't like about MBDTF the most. I couldn't feel the emotion because everything felt so perfectly rehearsed, timed, structured and thought out. In conjunction with the overproduction (imo) the whole project just came off to me as a bloated album where Kanye is forcing himself to be more creative rather than it just all falling into place.

I know that probably doesn't make sense, since we know Ye on a whole sometimes spends years planning out a song right but idk. Songs like "Everything I Am", "Can't Tell Me Nothing" speak to me more emotionally for their stripped down production or "Down" & "Family Business" for their lyrics than anything on MBDTF.
 

Recon

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Kaizer said:
I think this is what I didn't like about MBDTF the most. I couldn't feel the emotion because everything felt so perfectly rehearsed, timed, structured and thought out. In conjunction with the overproduction (imo) the whole project just came off to me as a bloated album where Kanye is forcing himself to be more creative rather than it just all falling into place.

I know that probably doesn't make sense, since we know Ye on a whole sometimes spends years planning out a song right but idk. Songs like "Everything I Am", "Can't Tell Me Nothing" speak to me more emotionally for their stripped down production or "Down" & "Family Business" for their lyrics than anything on MBDTF.

Family Business is one of my favorite tracks from Ye. College Dropout is still the only rap album my sister likes(she is a country fan), she would always ask me to play the cd with the Bear on it.
 

Tokubetsu

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TheOddOne said:
Trials of the Blackhearted has some of the most bonker beats I have heard in a while. Just so unique and well-rounded.

When Khalil is on point, he's fucking on point. Great thing too is none of his shit sounds like anything else. It's really easy to spot a khalil beat.
 

TheOddOne

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Tokubetsu said:
When Khalil is on point, he's fucking on point. Great thing too is none of his shit sounds like anything else. It's really easy to spot a khalil beat.
Yeah, this pretty much happens to all big producers. Artists always come in and say "we want that sound you had on the 50, Eminem, Clipse etc. track", never going for he more open stuff the producer has created. This is sad, because stuff on Blackhearted shows Khalil has a pretty wild stable of beats.
 

soultron

Banned
Been crazy busy with work and moving the past week. Any crucial tapes I missed that aren't on HRD's list?

Love you, GAF-HOP. <3

EDIT: Self Scientific is balling as fuck. KRIT feature is unreal. I really can't get enough of the dude.
 

RJT

Member
ReconYoda said:
I have a question, what exactly do you relate to with Kanye? I can see his first two albums being easy to relate to, but not MBDTF. I honestly dont know who could relate to MBDTF other than Kanye and maybe a magical Elf thats high on PCP.
I relate a lot to Hell of a Life. Porn stars <3

Seriously, relating to an album is overrated. I can't relate to Illmatic, but it's a fucking dope album. As a white Portuguese college degree office worker, I can't related to 99% of the music I listen to. I love art for making me feel different things, not for mirroring my life.

MBDTF has crazy production, which I love, has no weak tracks, and is varied and yet consistent (something really hard to do IMO). The only negative point of the album is long tracks for no reason (Runaway especially, and Blame Game, even though I love the Chris Rock bit), but hey, at least he's trying something different.

EDIT: OK, you already answered on the related thing. Nevermind.
 
so heard some of Tech N9ne's All 6's and 7's, including Worldwide Choppers ft. Busta Rhymes, Yelawolf, Twista, Ceza, D-Loc, JL, Twisted Insane, U$O

only Tech, Yelawolf, and Busta get full verses, didnt get the bar count on the rest but I think Twista got 8, as well as d-loc, the rest each got like 4 bars

Busta murdered it, no surprise, Tech did his thing, Yelawolf..eh really hit or miss with me but it was ok.
 

TheOddOne

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kamspy said:
Wale >>> j.cole
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And I like Wale.
 

HiResDes

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kamspy said:
No Bumpy Elsworth?

...Would probably be my 11th favorite, Prodigy's bravado just doesn't seem all there to me...And he's rapping even slower than usual, which makes it tiresome to listen to at some points.
 

Detox

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ReconYoda said:
Royce and Em>>>>>>>>>>> Kanye and Jay-Z. Pretty much any Collabo with Jay-Z is going to be a let down.
I would love Jay and Em to do a collabo, even if it is just a EP. Renegade and moment of clarity are legendary tracks.
 
Detox said:
I would love Jay and Em to do a collabo, even if it is just a EP. Renegade and moment of clarity are legendary tracks.

Meh, Jay isn't Renegade or Moment Of Clarity consistent anymore, it would be one sided as hell. I honestly think of all the people he could collab with, Royce is the only one that could keep up and fit the mood of the track. Almost every one of Em's collabs/guest spots since his return have one completely one sided, or Em raps so aggressively/quick that he doesn't seem to fit the track. Jay/Em at this point would be kinda strange unless Em can tone it down.
 
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