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A.J. Delgado: Nicki Minaj Is Worse for Young Girls' Morals Than Madonna Ever Was
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CliffyB?
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Black Stabbath
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She comes off as trashy and so does the song
user8503492
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You mean like hearing the word fuck on "Comedy Central"? Yeah..but thankfully with BET uncut I could watch LLoyd Banks intro a video while he's basically sniffing a strippers asshole.
Thats shit was trash, am I'm not the only person who thought so...
Thankfully kids/people can just head over to World Star now for there Rap/Porn/Glorification of Violence and Celebration of Indulgence
I'm sure I'll find something positive hidden between then "Beef Call out Video" or the "I wanna be a rap video dancer audition video"
Of course it has been like that for a few decades now but the content keeps on getting more and more graphic every year. It's interesting to see where the moral line goes or if it exists at all.
Crumpet Trumpet
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we teach (black) girls that they cannot be sexual beings in the way that (white) boys are
SapientWolf
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Your reply to my post is like Lil Wayne making a song on how to love.
Nicki Minaj is just a character. I don't even think the most impressionable young youth take it at face value and aspire to be a drug ho. The downer part is that the archetype is getting so much draw when it's basically a modern day prima donna.
That can be a problem. But there is also a problem on the other end of the spectrum with black women and hip hop and being portrayed as anything other than sexual.
I've never cared for Madonnas music when I was growing up. I don't like her music and I can't even put on one of her songs to be ironically nostalgic - but watch me put on that Paula Abdul song with that cat "Opposites Attract".
There just were other female artists and vocalists that I thought were much much better.
Nicki Minaj has from the first time I saw her made me think "now THAT'S a product of the record industry". She had a song a few years ago that I thought was fun, mainly because of her on and off accent, but all the other stuff pre and post that song just are heavy filtered record label industry pop songs that have nothing to say - and the music videos look like the pre-fuck scenes in porn. The girl is bland and all she got to reel in some attention is that butt of hers.
There just were other female artists and vocalists that I thought were much much better.
Nicki Minaj has from the first time I saw her made me think "now THAT'S a product of the record industry". She had a song a few years ago that I thought was fun, mainly because of her on and off accent, but all the other stuff pre and post that song just are heavy filtered record label industry pop songs that have nothing to say - and the music videos look like the pre-fuck scenes in porn. The girl is bland and all she got to reel in some attention is that butt of hers.
Angelus Errare
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I was just confused because your analogy was pointless and honestly dumb. People have this idiotic idea that these celebrities only make raunchy music. People complaining about Nicki's song Anaconda and why she can't make uplifting music completely forgot that just 2 months ago she released an uplifting song. Or the fact that she's gained most of her success from her...uplifting songs. You people think 14 year old affluent white girls became Nicki fans because she of her songs about tossing salad and not shit like Starships, Fly and other stuff? Swerve.
Also you should actually read the lyrics to Lil Wayne's "How To Love" there is a reason why it was one of the most renditioned songs of 2012 by every white girl/guy with a camera, mic and youtube account.
Then people got on some tangent on a few people trying to educate the rest of GAF on the problems of black people which I always laugh at, because they never know what the fuck they're talking about.
Meanwhile, we have Katy Perry talking about getting black out drunk and possibly getting fucked during this time period, but she can't really remember....but fuck it because it was awesome! And no one bats an eye.
Only people who are even really complaining are people who haven't listen to Nicki outside of this Anaconda song. They really should sit down and go back to listening to whatever it is that they listen to and stop trying to police shit.
smh she should be sending a more positive message to the white community
Death Metalist
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Well both she and Miley are making girls(not all) bending over and shaking their asses to a camera so I guess they are doing something.
I remember a lot of jokes about how her butt looked like raw chicken.
Your edit is a separate issue entirely from the one we were discussing (specifically, sexuality in pop music), so that's more what I was responding to.
Anyway, these are lyrics from a song off Miley Cyrus' last album:
I hope the people scared of Nicki's influence on their daughters are equally concerned with Miley Cyrus.
So she did mention tossing salad? I thought I misheard that lol.
Anyway booty eating is getting pretty mainstream now.
Must admit I like the main streamification of big booties. Nice to show some big booty black ladies oozing sex appeal. A fuckin rarity. I was trying to think of any mainstream black curvy ladies on television or film and I can't even do it. People bitch about her talking smack about skinny chicks, but it's hard to take that seriously when skinny chicks are the image of beauty everywhere.
Rap like this will always get shit on. Just like GTA will always get shit on. And just like GTA this shit is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Rap like this will always get shit on. Just like GTA will always get shit on. And just like GTA this shit is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I remember both. I also see comments like "it's not fair that Miley gets all the blame but the scumbag Robin Thicke gets a free pass" to this day.
I don't really think there's a difference between singing about using drugs (Miley and a billion other artists) and singing about dating drug dealers. The drugs and their illegality are the core thing that makes the subject controversial. Would the exact same lyrics referencing alcohol instead of cocaine even get a second glance? I'm not sure. Not to mention the whole thing about the War on Drugs and the taboo surrounding them being a complete failure, but that's not really a topic for this thread.
I don't even have to use Miley as a comparison here because drug use, and references to it, are so ridiculously rampant in music as a whole.
They always gotta try to make some random artist a representative and direct spokesman for some minority. I dont go around assuming white people are crazy based on that hobo on the corner talking crap about Buzz Aldrin. I wonder if people realize how offensive that paternalistic bullshit is.
Song blows anyway.
Song blows anyway.
SapientWolf
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Anaconda is a great song, but not for listening.
I'm not policing anything. I just think it's all phony and hilarious. As if those "uplifting" songs aren't obvious cash ins from giant hypocrites.
Okay, I'm thin, so let's just get that out of the way first (so there's no confusion) so I'm sure you and I can relate on this and hopefully I can get the point across.
There may not have been any songs about fat shaming, but we cannot pretend there aren't so many factors in the world that are used to shame heavier women. Fat shaming is real, you get guys that constantly go on about how they can't date fat chicks and the like, no matter how wonderful person she may be. Thin shaming is nearly non existent, or better yet a non issue because it is so rare in comparison to the shit heavier women have to deal with.
I think it's great that someone can encourage heavier women and give them the power for once. Especially when thin women are always all the rage.
Yeah didn't have to shame them. But be honest, its not even close to equal ground here. Curvy ladies get shit on every step of the way. It's like trying to shame a rich white male.
In utopia sure this will never happen, and I can understand some people being annoyed, but there is worse shit to be upset over IMO.
Tbh I don't take Nicki's shout out to big fat ass bitches seriously. She's probably still salty over Iggy recently leapfrogging her industry wise. I take that part of her song as another obvious subliminal.
Vicetrailia
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I don't think it matters if Minaj is worse than Madonna in every subject matter, the generations are different.
What TV series pushed sexual boundaries in 1934 is kids-show material today.
What TV series pushed sexual boundaries in 1934 is kids-show material today.
This song gots nothing on Lucille Bogan from 1935- Shave'em dry
People really hate on Kim K and Christina Hendricks types? Are you sure your not just talking about overweight people with no ass/breasts?
That's how I feel too.
But she isn't attacking every thin person. She isn't attacking anyone. She's standing up for heavier girls, and that's not a crime at all.
But what Nicki is doing is not reverse shaming. You can boost up one group without intentionally attacking another. Nicki has always been abrasive. She once called girls with natural hair nappy and said they needed a perm or something like that (and that was awful). She's a bitch but she does her thing and I can't be mad. (I love her LOL)
I don't know if you realize it, but your response is kinda a ring to the backlash whenever racism is discussed. Whenever one race is given a boost, somehow it's wrong because well, everyone else right?
Think of whenever we present an argument for women and our rights only to be bombarded with men complaining about their experiences with inequality too. There's no way they are equivalent. And in this case, the amount of fat shaming is far exceeded that of thin shaming.
It is true. Fat women are given so much hell, there's so few cases of thin women being oppressed by heavy women. Of course it happens, but the world is usually against women with curves and weight to them.
Thin shaming is very much a non factor in comparison. You can't be shamed for the allusion of being healthy, fit and petite. But being heavy means your cramming your face to most. It's really a toxic viewpoint to have.
I've been called skinny, noodle girl and all that but I still don't believe my dilemma is anything compared to heavier girls. Not even close.
What are you referring to as, in terms of being a basic bitch?
Femmeworth
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This is obviously bad, but I find some of the weak articles praising "Anaconda" worse because I know they are on the better side of the issue.
Some people on Tumblr would eat you alive for saying this.
I thought Nicki goes on record a lot as trying to tell young girls to not "hate on the next bitch". She doesn't seem any worse at all than someone like Perry. Tries to be role model sometimes.
She's sexy and shows it; it's fun. Anaconda is a pretty shit song, but get over it. Not the end of the fucking world if you don't like a pop song.
She's sexy and shows it; it's fun. Anaconda is a pretty shit song, but get over it. Not the end of the fucking world if you don't like a pop song.
MWS Natural
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Fake breasts have something to say though.
user8503492
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Your comparing people iconic in the culture, who dictate style, linguistics, and attitude expressing themselves artistically with tittys on there head and ass cheeks jiggling around them to poorly acted B-movies?
And the Sopranos or Breaking Bad? I might be wrong but I dont think most people ran out and bought a track suit or started a meth lab, and I'm almost sure no 12 year old clamored to catch the newest episode.
We have 2 major forces in America which people, kids/teens mostly, emulate..
Music stars
Athletes
Impressionable people, most people especially kids, are almost entirely defined by the music/musicians they follow.. No actor, artist, teacher, etc.. will dictate there style of dress, interaction with the opposite sex, general attitude during conflict, etc.. then the music artist theyve drilled into thier head and life style they wanna emulate.
Its poison. Its the "Liqour store and gun store on every corner" of society.
I look at 80-90's rap as the punk era...it told a story, it was scary, it was rebellious..
But, like "Hair Metal" of the 80's in rock it became gratuitous, over indulgent, misogynistic...
And instead of devouring its self like rock did it engulfed the culture and became mainstream.
Theres a huge portion of society not smart enough to not be swayed by pop culture, and that culture currently is teaching people : Violence is acceptable, the life of a drug dealer is exciting, expensive goods are the goal, and women are tool for sex who in turn should use sex/sex appeal to acquire goods.
Face it Tiger..
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Askherserenity
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I think someone cited a Lil Wayne "love" song in this thread. It is 5 a.m. so I could just be imagining things.
I'm disgusted by such a vulgar comment.
toastyToast
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gimmmick
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Never really understood the fascination with her ass. It is fake. Fake. FAKE. FAAAAKE! This is undeniable, I really don't know how anyone can say otherwise, just look it up.
And the problem is?
The biggest tragedy about Nicki is that she is talented and has to rely on sex appeal to sell her music. Not saying it's a bad thing, but talent should make or break you in the industry, not how big your ass is or your shitty fashion taste.
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