But talent in the music industry isn't just about musical talent, it's about being able to sell yourself. You need to be able to predict trends and ride them before they crash and burn. You're marketing yourself to your customers. Nicki Minaj and her team are clearly making full use of her talent in that regard.
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A.J. Delgado: Nicki Minaj Is Worse for Young Girls' Morals Than Madonna Ever Was
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But talent in the music industry isn't just about musical talent, it's about being able to sell yourself. You need to be able to predict trends and ride them before they crash and burn. You're marketing yourself to your customers. Nicki Minaj and her team are clearly making full use of her talent in that regard.
Well, I'm sort of disregarding the shout-out to 'big fat ass bitches'. I don't mind that much. It's more the 'fuck you if you're skinny' bit that I really dislike. It's far too mean-spirited for my taste.
its the national review. they have less relevance than...fuck, I dunno. Some other conservative political commentary publication
I mean, I wouldn't let my younger than 13 year old daughter listen to Nicki Minaj, but I'm not taking this woman's word for anything.
While the conclusions are daft, I don't think she's wrong to say that the lyrics in Anaconda stem from selfish, indulgent and reckless fantasies that don't fit what we want young girls (or anyone) to grow up idolizing. I guess you could consider that to be a conservative perspective, but compared to the other things Delgado has written, this one is much more agreeable.
I have nothing against a conservative perspective. But I'd say form your own moral compass about what is and is not acceptable, and leave AJ and her media comparisons out of it.
Angelus Errare
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Problem with this argument is that this is hardly something that is exclusive to Nicki. I mean out of all the current popstars from the past 10 years the only one who is "Safe" is fucking Taylor Swift.
You people are basically arguing who's less "bad" for young girls completely ignoring the hilarious fact that if you read most of these damn lyrics you'd all unanimously vote for "they're all horrible role models for little girls". Aside from like Taylor Swift; honestly I'm tired of Americans wanting the government and everyone else to raise their kids. If music artists have that much influence in your kid's life to the point you've lost them. You should seriously put your kid up for adoption because you're an absolute shit of a parent.
This entire thread is stupid, doubly so for posters trying to be sociologists on the plagues of black America. I'd rather those people stop embarrassing themselves for the sake of my not getting an aneurism.
You're quoting me but you can't be referring to me with most of the above because I don't think Nicki Minaj is "worse" or that Taylor Swift is "safer" and I haven't posted anything armchair sociologist shit about any racial community either.
The middle bit there is just all sorts of wrong though. Lots of kids who were raised very well by their parents until their teens suddenly start rejecting their influence and use their peers and their heroes in music or sports or whatever to emulate themselves after. It's not because the parents are bad people or bad parents. You can make bad parenting choices (like spanking) and the kids will grow up just fine, or you can make good choices and your kids still end up hating you from 14-19 years old.
I really don't think it makes a big difference in the end, and I would never ban my kids from listening to certain music... My parents weren't a fan of the Pixies or Pavement when I was 13 but they didn't ever try to stop me listening to it. I just hope whatever my kids listen to in the future, it's because they like the actual music, and not because they buy into lifestyle shit.
Prophet Steve
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You and other posters seem to blame parents for letting their child be changed by media.
Everyone is influenced by media, otherwise marketing wouldn't be a thing. As a parent there is little you can do about that. Even if you keep your child free from the grasps of media, it still has influence on other kids who have in turn influence on your kid. If twerking is popularized by pop music, and kids catch on to it and do it too, your kid may feel extra pressure to do it too. Some behaviors can be damaging.
As a parent you never can completely control what your kid gets influenced by. You can mitigate the effects by good parenting, make it clear that behavior such as this is a bad thing, but there is still a pressure for people to participate if they see other people doing it too.
And children are especially easily influenced by behavior of idols. We have all kinds of pop stars whom children idolize, and a huge amount of them set a terrible example for children. Of course I am not saying that kids suddenly will go have sex with drug dealers, but pop stars may well have played a part in a possible increase of young people sexualizing themselves.
Think of the effect marketing and media has had on society. On smoking, on shaving, on deodorant. There are so many examples of things that we now frown upon in society because it has been marketed to us that way by media. Have so many parents failed? Is it unlikely that pop stars also may possibly have this kind of effect with enough exposure?
She looks so smug. Probs because she's in the echo chamber on Hannity.
nephilimdj
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First generation American from Trinidad making ton of money, seems like a good role model.
Even if it upsets the American anti-sex, pro violence crap
Even if it upsets the American anti-sex, pro violence crap
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
FTFY
I won't because it's fucking gross. like minaj's fake ass.
so many amazing real asses out there. why waste even a minute looking at a fake one.
The problem is that in 5 years that gelatinous planet between her hips and thighs is going to look like a pair of basketballs bouncing around in an old beanbag.
Nothing wrong with a big ass but a fake one is a terrible long term decision.
We have the technology and with enough skill and money miracles can be accomplished.
n00bsauce87
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I understand OPs (the article writer)problem. He looked at the video with the music on. You were supposed to put it on mute.
How is this line of logic and different that people saying video games causes kids to be violent because they can dissociate between what's real or fake?
Porn Star Holding 25-Man Sex-a-Thon to Raise Money for Bigger Boobs (SFW + Gawker)
"We don't want young girls to have an obsession with a certain body shape that is not accessible in many cases, and the values driven by this event are contrary to all of that," said Mayor Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin, according to the Ottawa Citizen.
You are really no better than this mayor and unfounded fears. Yes this is an extremely smaller scale compared to Minaj, but the same logic applies. Feel free to OT this link if anyone wants to do it.
How is this line of logic and different that people saying video games causes kids to be violent because they can dissociate between what's real or fake?
Porn Star Holding 25-Man Sex-a-Thon to Raise Money for Bigger Boobs (SFW + Gawker)
"We don't want young girls to have an obsession with a certain body shape that is not accessible in many cases, and the values driven by this event are contrary to all of that," said Mayor Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin, according to the Ottawa Citizen.
You are really no better than this mayor and unfounded fears. Yes this is an extremely smaller scale compared to Minaj, but the same logic applies. Feel free to OT this link if anyone wants to do it.
Eh, Minaj, Cyrus and the other pop kids of the month aren't any 'worse' than what has gone before, they're just different. Morals have changed, tastes have changed. What used to 'shock' is no longer noteworthy. Give it a few years and some other pop startlet will deepthroat a dildo during a music vid and she'll become the reason our morals will all be in peril.
Miley already did something close to that in concert I think.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. It's the next stop before the train pulls into softcore nudity station.
I feel bad for those 2045 pop chicks that'll need to hold fifteen golf balls and a putter in their ass before any label will give 'em a demo.
I think Minaj is hot. I only know a couple of her most mainstream songs and they are good when I'm in the mood for pop/hip hop.
As for these lyrics:
I think they are vapid and dumb. Although who knows, maybe she is drawing from real life experiences of her past or someone she knows. More of a symptom of the problem rather than the cause though.
The culture that glorifies this is shit, but whatever.
As for these lyrics:
I think they are vapid and dumb. Although who knows, maybe she is drawing from real life experiences of her past or someone she knows. More of a symptom of the problem rather than the cause though.
The culture that glorifies this is shit, but whatever.
Okay this had me cracking up
Taste and culture are cyclical.
By 2045 Western Pop Stars will have to be fully clothed from toes to neck and only sing about the purity of God.
SquiddyCracker
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Nonsense, Nicki Minaj is empowering female sexuality.
block tower
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wont someone think of the dumbass children.. if Nicki Manaj is the one teaching your girls morals you as a parent already fucked up a long time ago. its not media's job to raise kids, stop trying to child proof everything.
Deadly Cyclone
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Just noting that being glad your kid hates rap because you yourself don't like ONE rapper is dumb. That means missing out on everyone else because you're stereotyping the genre.
I have a really hard time understanding this. Is it because she is confidant in her sexuality? That's great I guess, but not sure how empowering only being known for your butt is. Good enough for her, but maybe not everyone.
Well, of course the simple response here is she's not "only known" for her butt. That butt happens to be attached to one of the most popular female rappers of the last decade who's had songs top the urban charts and hit the top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100.
If you only know her for her butt, then you clearly don't know who Nicki Minaj is. In which case, why are you here?
I'm specifically referring to this song, not Nicki Minaj as a whole. I'm not sure how that is very empowering to female sexuality or at least it isn't to me.
The song is a woman rapping about how glorious her Big Phat Ass is and how she does what she wants with it when she wants. I think the question is how is it not empowering?
If your ideal female is quiet, chaste, fully-clothed, listens to London Grammar, and can only achieve self-confidence through the lens of victimization ("you may bully me but deep down I know I'm speciaallll") then yeah, maybe it isn't empowering to that effect.
SquiddyCracker
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*pressedt*
lol
My apathy towards her influence on popular culture might just have to do with me not having any kids. I have a close relationship with my young neices but I trust they'll be fine.
I just personally find her really repulsive. But eh. More power to her if she's satisfied and people like her.
I just personally find her really repulsive. But eh. More power to her if she's satisfied and people like her.
Probably why I clarified why it wasn't very empowering to me. But I'm not her. If she and others find it empowering, then more power to them. I just found it repulsive and pandering( . I said earlier that she is doing what she does and is very successful at it, which is great, especially for a black woman. Not gonna tear her down, but I also just don't think her way is empowering for everyone.
Shit. Thank you for articulating my thoughts so accurately and concisely.
Didn't mean to imply that it was. But I did think they were making a blanket statement that sounded like it was, and simply felt like that wasn't fully true.
Is it empowering for those whe arent full figured or have cosmetic enhancements ? No it it puts them down.
It empowers them to get ass implants bro
Hey! Today's a big day for you I guess huh? You've learned that you can't please everybody, especially on the internet. If you want to refer to today as Epiphany Day, I don't think anyone would try to take that away from you.
edit: if you're being facetious, then I apologize and encourage you to continue.
Maidenpool?
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Not only that - the strategy of attaching your self esteem and your income to your plastic rear-end seems like a losing one, in the long run.
A lot of us don't think that the lyrics nor the images influence much of how girls behave, but they do.
Personally, I've seen the influence of Rihanna heavily at least in the urban community. So many girls I've seen with the "star line" tattoos on their neck just like RiRi. Once they can afford the Minaj Booty Special, trust those implants will be on the rise too. Don't underestimate it because you don't live in an area where it happens
Personally, I've seen the influence of Rihanna heavily at least in the urban community. So many girls I've seen with the "star line" tattoos on their neck just like RiRi. Once they can afford the Minaj Booty Special, trust those implants will be on the rise too. Don't underestimate it because you don't live in an area where it happens
I see. As long as they are doing it for themselves...
Edit: its not thin shaming, its about ass and tits. In what world is Nicki fat?
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