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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
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Actually wait...ViviOggi was also under quite a bit of scrutiny and suspicion. You should also be grilling Flushy in that case. I don't get this preferential treatment. But maybe it's because Flushy already posted his reads without prompting or something.
I thought I was quoting Crab talking about Barry, could be wrong though I didn't double check (and now you mention it I think you are right)
The only scrutiny I remember on Vivi was for inactivity, and that goes out the window if someone is literally too busy to continue playing.
I never cared much for that accusation anyway. I liked the content of Vivi's posts, and thought he was Hope. Independently to this, I like the immediate strong start from Royal Flush, which further makes me think he's Hope.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Sorry, been very busy with work yesterday, am I still top vote... Yep still top vote
I don't know what you want from me. I know I'm just a hope aligned student (an ordinary one at that no power roles).
Based on what I've read you think I'm scum because you: a) don't like my reads (fair), b) are constantly questioning mechanics and actions , c) I seem to be panicking (you asked for how I determined who I think was redacted and I posted the exact thought process *splinter, not sure how that is panicking), d) using my death to confirm some of their own suspicions about other people (that's how your vote looks to me cornburrito) or e) a self proclaimed bandwagon vote (rest)
So that's the votes. *splinter doesn't like how I'm playing the game but more focused on how I'm questioning the mechanics and taking easy reads, ok fine. He's wrong about me, but it's an understandable vote. Rest's vote is exactly as he said it was and cornburrito's vote is a gambit. Sawneeks largely agrees with *splinter that my reads aren't radical, I go with the crowd and she doesn't like my voting habits.
Fine.
I'm ordinary,
I believe that if we have two lucky students, one of the lucky students is despair aligned and it's entirely to mess with the hope aligned person. The longer we are in the game the less likely I think there are two.
I think that rest is lower aisle redacted, I also think it's really weird that there are no people currently moving in the top left (unless absolutbro missed someone the day he visited me).
It's entirely possible that king kitty is an upper aisle rule breaker but operates on the opposite days of Sawneeks, no evidence to support this just conjecture.
I think terrabyte is also likely despair, based on my previous deductions.
I think that most despair aren't breaking rules or don't need to break rules to do what they want.
My current list of suspicious people (from most to least) is terrabyte, rest, king kitty, with an outside shot that one of ty4on/Pau is despair. If we know ty4on and Pau are hope then I think the other three are a better place to start.
Kill me if you want, but I strongly want you to reconsider. I don't want to die yet,
I don't know what you want from me. I know I'm just a hope aligned student (an ordinary one at that no power roles).
Based on what I've read you think I'm scum because you: a) don't like my reads (fair), b) are constantly questioning mechanics and actions , c) I seem to be panicking (you asked for how I determined who I think was redacted and I posted the exact thought process *splinter, not sure how that is panicking), d) using my death to confirm some of their own suspicions about other people (that's how your vote looks to me cornburrito) or e) a self proclaimed bandwagon vote (rest)
So that's the votes. *splinter doesn't like how I'm playing the game but more focused on how I'm questioning the mechanics and taking easy reads, ok fine. He's wrong about me, but it's an understandable vote. Rest's vote is exactly as he said it was and cornburrito's vote is a gambit. Sawneeks largely agrees with *splinter that my reads aren't radical, I go with the crowd and she doesn't like my voting habits.
Fine.
I'm ordinary,
I believe that if we have two lucky students, one of the lucky students is despair aligned and it's entirely to mess with the hope aligned person. The longer we are in the game the less likely I think there are two.
I think that rest is lower aisle redacted, I also think it's really weird that there are no people currently moving in the top left (unless absolutbro missed someone the day he visited me).
It's entirely possible that king kitty is an upper aisle rule breaker but operates on the opposite days of Sawneeks, no evidence to support this just conjecture.
I think terrabyte is also likely despair, based on my previous deductions.
I think that most despair aren't breaking rules or don't need to break rules to do what they want.
My current list of suspicious people (from most to least) is terrabyte, rest, king kitty, with an outside shot that one of ty4on/Pau is despair. If we know ty4on and Pau are hope then I think the other three are a better place to start.
Kill me if you want, but I strongly want you to reconsider. I don't want to die yet,
This is sort of an interesting read that everyone else glossed over. I personally feel like your style, Sawneeks' and Makai's are extremely varied. Can you elaborate what you meant here? I also don't see a connection between Makai and Sawneeks, they have hardly interacted with each other.
Honestly, this defense doesn't fill me with a whole load of confidence, because nobody is really voting for you and I don't think you were in danger of getting lynched even before CzarTim's gambit. But, if you are telling the truth about the room you went to N2, we have enough information to deduce that you couldn't have killed SalvaPot N2 at least (see, why am I the one who has to point this out? Unless it has already been pointed out in which case...sorry!) because you saw Pau. This doesn't spare you from being another roaming type of Despair PR however.
I notice you haven't voted yet this day phase, can I ask who you are thinking of? You seem to have some suspicion on Sawneeks as do I. I'm fairly sure you both can't be Despair, so I'm curious about your thoughts.
I get a similar feeling from Flushy but he's only been in the game one day, so it's too early to say really.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Yeah, reading that again makes me realize I phrased that poorly. What I meant was that in my eyes, they both had similar playstyles. This is based off of their independent interactions with me when they thought I was suspicious. They had varried reasons, but both approached them with similar logic and style.
The connection has nothing to do with their interactions with each other, but rather their lines of thinking in terms of processing the evidence before them and how similar I found it to be.
I think a Despair aligned Luckster is a possibility, but Makai seems adamant that they both have to be hope aligned. Why would a Despair aligned Luckster get targeted at night (he receives a PM if they do) unless there was a 3p or something. Or there might be a bounty hunter type who can't kill anyone except the Despair Luckster?
Anyway, enough rambling, I wanted to ask you a specific question - if you think there is a Despair aligned one, does that change your opinion of Makai? Could he be that one?
There's a good chance you're going to get lynched and if you flip ordinary student then it's important that we know more about your thoughts and stuff.
To me Zipped is always difficult to read, even in the Star Wars game and there he was an ordinary rebel (I know we shouldn't be talking about previous games but that's how I feel about him). I agree that he's been asking some scummy questions about the map. But he also seems genuinely frustrated that he can't play the same game as the elite rulebreakers. This is a genuinely murky area because Despair would probably try to avoid all map conversation at all costs so as to not implicte themselves. But then again they might also be fishing for certain information. An ordinary will probably want to know more about the map so they can play a more informed scum hunt and feel more useful (I disagree because ordinaries can hunt scum from a different POV).
I'm leaning more towards Zipped being Hope on this one.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I think Makai isn't being entire truthful about his claim. I can't find the flaw but something about it smells fishy. He might be Hope but bluffing so he doesn't get night killed but unless we see his PM role or someone else claims to be his buddy we won't know. Even then we have to take their word for it and hope they both aren't Despair.
What's your reasons for thinking AB and Sawneeks are hope?
Zippedpinhead
Member
It's something that hasn't ever popped up in a GAFia game. Two roles that are named the same but have different abilities. Taking makai at face value it's what makes the most sense, as two people that can't be killed at night is a HUGE gamechanger for despair. It means that two people from Hope would be effectively safe from everything as long as they don't give scummy reads. As much as I want to believe that they have the same role abilities there is no indication from most shared roles that the other person has the exact same role, just that you two share something (a name, movement or a separate message board).
Due to this, I'm inclined to believe makai is a lucky student. makai's pm if targeted could trigger under other circumstances, just the most obvious is a death attempt. That pm if targeted could be useful for either Hope OR despair. Makai being out first makes me believe he is hope.
Zippedpinhead
Member
AB's role claim, it's plausible enough to be hope and legit. There is also the randomness of who he visited. Two people on top aisle, two people on lower aisle. After the whole francorp thing, if AB could control it I think he would have stayed on the top aisle, that's just my thinking though. It just seems to random to be despair, if he was despair power role and was doing something with these I think he would have targeted more people that moved.
Sawneeks, she is in the same boat. I'm assuming Unlimited movement (no indication otherwise) but limited by how often she can move. Due to be location it means, depending on who she visits, she could shed exactly half of all rule breakers every other night. Since she has only ever gone left, I'm inclinded to believe that she feels that there is no new information for her on the right side of the map, sounds hope not despair.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Argh... I'm out of time.
Ok, AbsolutBro I still haven't found any strong evidence that makes you look Despair. This vote is just based on a hunch that there's a Despair among the PRs. I might change my stance tomorrow.
Vote: AbsolutBro
Thanks for your thoughts Zipped.
Ok, AbsolutBro I still haven't found any strong evidence that makes you look Despair. This vote is just based on a hunch that there's a Despair among the PRs. I might change my stance tomorrow.
Vote: AbsolutBro
Thanks for your thoughts Zipped.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
UNVOTE: Zippedpinhead
This is enough for me to take my vote off of you. We've got people with less input that can be voted for.
But seriously, you and CzarTim with the fucking lower case r's. Its a proper noun, Rest. It's capitalized.
VOTE: Kalor
You've been more active lately, but over the course of the overall game I've come to the conclusion that you're expendable. If you're voted out and flip hope that will be a shame, but I don't think it will be so much of a loss that we'll regret it.
As stated earlier, I eventually decided not to update this. Its a shame, but it simply wasn't useful enough to justify the time required to do this properly. The main problem isn't actually related to the spreadsheet itself - 99% of my posting is from mobile, where I can't even view this. I haven't had any other need for my home pc in months, so literally the only reason I switch it on is to update this. I think I've only actually used this spreadsheet once or twice. If my personal setup was slightly different this would be 'slightly' useful, although I still have doubts as to whether or not that usefulness would justify the time requirement.
Moving on... here is part 1: Bandwagons, Votes Given, Votes Received
Note: The following pages cover far more subjective criteria than those shared previously. While I have tried my best to remain objective and consistent, it was much harder to do so. As before, a degree of caution is advised if you choose to use these in any way.
Suspicions:
x stated explicit suspicion for y in post #
Accusatory questioning is 'usually' not included, unless it is accompanied by a strong statement to the affect of "I think # is Despair".
Days are separated by the thick grey line.
Support:
x defended or explicitly stated they think y is hope in post #
This was slightly more straightforward, but I think I forgot about it sometimes so this is the page most likely to be missing relevant posts.
Days are separated by the thick grey line.
Non Posts:
Day1:
Day2:
x said fucking nothing in post #
All Hail Czar Tim, Lord of the Fluff.
Note: I marked posts relating to kgtrep's games as I couldn't decide whether they should be included or not.
Strat/Info Posts:
x tried (and failed) to appear helpful in post #
Ok this one turned out to be a fucking nightmare to classify, and I regret starting it. It was originally intended to be an extension to fluff posts, basically things that seemed useful but don't really move the game forward in any way or put the poster at any possible risk. It was originally inspired by franconp posting a list of post counts (or vote counts, I forget), but also included meta/strategy discussion that wasn't being applied to anything that was actually happening in game. This is BY FAR the least consistent page (even it's title changed a few times throughout my note taking), and probably greatly increased the time it took me to make these notes, as I agonized over whether or not every post fit this criteria. Seriously fuck this page, I hate it.
You should probably treat it as an extension to fluff posts, but bear in my mind the slightly different inclusion criteria.
Days are still separated by the thick grey line.
DISCLAIMER
Subjective, mistakes, double check, blah blah blah
Moving on... here is part 1: Bandwagons, Votes Given, Votes Received
Note: The following pages cover far more subjective criteria than those shared previously. While I have tried my best to remain objective and consistent, it was much harder to do so. As before, a degree of caution is advised if you choose to use these in any way.
Suspicions:
x stated explicit suspicion for y in post #
Accusatory questioning is 'usually' not included, unless it is accompanied by a strong statement to the affect of "I think # is Despair".
Days are separated by the thick grey line.
Support:
x defended or explicitly stated they think y is hope in post #
This was slightly more straightforward, but I think I forgot about it sometimes so this is the page most likely to be missing relevant posts.
Days are separated by the thick grey line.
Non Posts:
Day1:
Day2:
x said fucking nothing in post #
All Hail Czar Tim, Lord of the Fluff.
Note: I marked posts relating to kgtrep's games as I couldn't decide whether they should be included or not.
Strat/Info Posts:
x tried (and failed) to appear helpful in post #
Ok this one turned out to be a fucking nightmare to classify, and I regret starting it. It was originally intended to be an extension to fluff posts, basically things that seemed useful but don't really move the game forward in any way or put the poster at any possible risk. It was originally inspired by franconp posting a list of post counts (or vote counts, I forget), but also included meta/strategy discussion that wasn't being applied to anything that was actually happening in game. This is BY FAR the least consistent page (even it's title changed a few times throughout my note taking), and probably greatly increased the time it took me to make these notes, as I agonized over whether or not every post fit this criteria. Seriously fuck this page, I hate it.
You should probably treat it as an extension to fluff posts, but bear in my mind the slightly different inclusion criteria.
Days are still separated by the thick grey line.
DISCLAIMER
Subjective, mistakes, double check, blah blah blah
Launch says PM triggers if one of us is targeted and our role prevents the kill. I won't get a message if I'm protected by a Doctor, etc. Both of us are Hope. If I knew my lucky buddy was Despair, I wouldn't claim otherwise. We are not connected like lovers. If one of us is lynched, the other survives.
CornBurrito
Member
Incidentally, this post makes me think Rest might be Despair.
Zipped says he thinks you are Despair, and then you unvote him and vote for someone else.
Its the opposite of an OMGUS vote, and that -feels- Despairy to me.
Its also a terrible reason to vote for Kalor. He had a poor reason to vote for Zipped as well, which had me a little worried at first but now I see it probably wasn't going to be his final vote.
I suspect Rest, but I'd still rather get Zipped today
Zippedpinhead
Member
Thank you for the clarification. It just sounds so powerful that there are two of you. So you know if he is targeted for death. I guess it doesn't make my other assumption wrong (that his roles is slightly different than yours) but it does make it less likely/impossible to be despair.
I have a hard time believing that Despair would let teammates be so quiet but it's not like we've really had a chance to do anything about them. Maybe if we do start lynching people for trying to fly below the radar, it'll make Despair more likely to talk.
People I'd go after in that case: kingkitty, Rest, Kalor. Interesting that they're all going after each other.
I'm not convinced about Zippedpinhead. The stuff that makes him suspicious to me also implicates other people who have tried to hammer rule breakers with questions. I don't know if it's that's the best criteria. I should be online during the last two hours but just in case.
Vote: Zippedpinhead
People I'd go after in that case: kingkitty, Rest, Kalor. Interesting that they're all going after each other.
I'm not convinced about Zippedpinhead. The stuff that makes him suspicious to me also implicates other people who have tried to hammer rule breakers with questions. I don't know if it's that's the best criteria. I should be online during the last two hours but just in case.
Vote: Zippedpinhead
Zippedpinhead
Member
I didn't want to tie the vote, and that's why I was glad my last vote didn't count (first post after that vote back to Sawneeks.)
I was flip flopping between the two because at the time I was not sure who to vote for.
Zippedpinhead
Member
It's post 2754, for reference.
We did already
Considering what happened on Day 1 and 3 it should be interesting later.
I don't really feel too strongly about Zipped being Despair aligned but they have been middle of the road for me for the whole game. I can understand some of the points against them but their "frustration" about not being a rulebreaker seems genuine. I felt the same way earlier on the game but never really bothered to express it.
I'm placing a vote on Goshu as they haven't been very active this phase and I want to know why. I'll likely move it later.
Vote: goshujinsama
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
You planning on making any BOLD PREDICTIONS by chance?
CornBurrito
Member
Actually at this point I feel a vote on Zipped won't give me as much info about my reads as a vote on this person:
Vote: Kalor
Kalor's alignment will tell me Royal's, and Rest's.
Vote: Kalor
Kalor's alignment will tell me Royal's, and Rest's.
i predict triple overrides.
The way to deal with the frustration/attention on rulebreakers is to encourage everyone to post and not just about the nighttime mechanics. People who stay quiet because they feel that they don't have anything to say are hurting Hope.
And I do think gosh, despite being quieter, at least tried that during this day phase. But I agree, I want to see more from them in that vein.
I can understand your reasoning but I don't know if you should take my alignment as confirmation of Royal's or Rest's if I get lynched. I'm Hope but for all we know one of the other two voted Czar to look more convincing.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Someone else voting for me has never influenced whether or not I voted for them. There were plenty of votes on me day one, I never assumed someone was despair because they voted for me. It was the other parts of his post that helped me make that decision.
My assessment of Zippedpinhead's expendability was also why I voted for him. I have no strong, evidence supported suspicions of anyone right now. It feels like Day 1 all over again, and I'm playing accordingly.
It will?
CornBurrito
Member
There are like 2 hours left before the vote period ends, and you voted for Kalor. If you are both Despair, congrats on making it very very possible for a team member to get voted out.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
So if Kalor is Despair and gets voted out, what does that tell you?
CornBurrito
Member
That you are likely not Despair.
And this isn't saying that Despair cant or wont vote for Despair. But in this circumstance I cannot see a Despair member starting and pushing a very real bandwagon against another Despair.
It looks like I won't be here for the end of the day but I will try to check in sporadically through mobile if I can.
Before I run off and leave I want to say that I'm not really sure where I sit with Zipped at the moment. I'm going over my notes and while Zipped has posted a lot of repeats of ideas he has also made mention of things I agree with that not a lot of others have pointed out. Namely he did not want to vote for CzarTim as 'killing someone to prove someone else's alignment doesn't sit right' ( 2515 ). If I'm right the only other person to mention this was Goshu and Crab-?- during Day 3 and one of them has been proven to be Hope.
Also his current last view posts have felt very...genuine in sincerity and earnest, not really like a Despair player trying to weasel out of a lynch but a Hope player trying to defend themselves. But at the same time so many of his posts are just repeated nothings that I'm hesitant to claim Hope status for him.
So I don't know where I sit. Since I do have limited time I am deferring to my notes of the previous Days and my gut feeling to gather a 'who should I vote for' response. Makai is weird, his role claim even stranger as it would essentially let 2 Hope players live through the Night and that sounds very powerful. If this happens to be true I would start to look at Pau/Ty4on's claim even more. Not fully willing to vote for him yet. Rest is also in the middle for me, somewhat active in the early game but it has slowed down for now. Not fully confident in a vote for him either but I'm willing to give that option a thought. Terrabyte is the only other person right now that I am partially ( like, 55% ) willing to go after with a vote. Even then I am not confident as it is only a gut feeling right now.
Bluh, I will keep up with mobile if I can. I'm not feeling confident one way or another.
Before I run off and leave I want to say that I'm not really sure where I sit with Zipped at the moment. I'm going over my notes and while Zipped has posted a lot of repeats of ideas he has also made mention of things I agree with that not a lot of others have pointed out. Namely he did not want to vote for CzarTim as 'killing someone to prove someone else's alignment doesn't sit right' ( 2515 ). If I'm right the only other person to mention this was Goshu and Crab-?- during Day 3 and one of them has been proven to be Hope.
Also his current last view posts have felt very...genuine in sincerity and earnest, not really like a Despair player trying to weasel out of a lynch but a Hope player trying to defend themselves. But at the same time so many of his posts are just repeated nothings that I'm hesitant to claim Hope status for him.
So I don't know where I sit. Since I do have limited time I am deferring to my notes of the previous Days and my gut feeling to gather a 'who should I vote for' response. Makai is weird, his role claim even stranger as it would essentially let 2 Hope players live through the Night and that sounds very powerful. If this happens to be true I would start to look at Pau/Ty4on's claim even more. Not fully willing to vote for him yet. Rest is also in the middle for me, somewhat active in the early game but it has slowed down for now. Not fully confident in a vote for him either but I'm willing to give that option a thought. Terrabyte is the only other person right now that I am partially ( like, 55% ) willing to go after with a vote. Even then I am not confident as it is only a gut feeling right now.
Bluh, I will keep up with mobile if I can. I'm not feeling confident one way or another.
AbsolutBro
Member
So we have commuter lovers AND NK immune Masons? I'm not sure I buy that. Most games discourage 1 NK immune person, let alone 2 NK immune persons who are both town and both KNOW they are both town. All while Despair PRs can be spotted in the hallways, even the one executing the KILL command.
I don't buy it. Not one bit.
It's not about votes, it's about trust. I fell for Czar's gambit and eliminated any chance for some players to trust anything I say. There are enough players that distrust me that Despair don't need to kill me at night; they can wait for someone I vote for to end up as Hope and let someone lead a vote against me.
be real: if I came out, right now, and said I was a Role Cop and that Zip was an Ordinary Student, would anyone honestly believe me? Terrabyte? Goshu? People trust me about as much as they trust them, probably less. I've wandered into the rooms of a bunch of people who aren't generally trusted, and outing Pau and Ty4on didn't exactly endear me to anyone. It's like a sad roulette wheel of Gafia bad luck, where all I'm likely to do is seem even sketchier to people.
As for my feelings on Sawneeks, I outlined my general suspicions not that long ago. I find the way the whole Czar / Sawneeks vote went down to be incredibly sketchy. It doesn't necessarily implicate Sawneeks though, and I'm hesitant to fall for a CzarTim gambit twice in one game. That said I was convinced enough then to vote for Sawneeks, I'm still not far off.
The reason that I could see Despair voting for Czar is because of his ability. They might have decided that it would be better to kill Crab and D4 would be wasted on voting CzarTim.
Day Phase 5 ends in:
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AbsolutBro
Member
Day Phase 5 ends in:
Most current vote count information. Also includes voting information for past day phases.
First page is actually up to date.
But at the end of the day, we weren't really killing CzarTim to prove someone else's alignment... we were killing him to remove the doubt of a Despair gambit. I can't find the post you're talking about, re: Zipped not wanting to kill CzarTim.
CornBurrito
Member
Makes no sense if Sawneeks is Hope or a Despair with a worse ability. Czar could kill Crab or anyone else with is ability on any day he wanted.
AbsolutBro
Member
This is what I don't get though, why vote for Czar at all in this scenario?
As far as we know, Despair might have known Crab was a PR, but they had no idea he was a doctor. If they wanted to kill him, they could have done it at night without Czar having to use his ability.
Instead we had a vote coming down between Czar and Sawneeks. Czar could have easily pushed a vote against Sawneeks, but instead he did the "I'll sacrifice myself" thing super early in the game. Why not push against Sawneeks (remember that Crab was pushing us to vote for Sawneeks), let Hope detain a Hope player and go on his merry way?
Instead he saves a (supposedly) Hope player, outs himself and kills Crab, netting them nothing in the end (remembering they couldn't know that Crab was a Doctor). I just don't see it. It's part of why I find Sawneeks so suspicious.
They aren't exactly Masons since they don't know each other's names. And we aren't exactly commuter lovers but whatever.
Despair actually does seem overpowered from my perspective. (Can easily pick off Hope PRs relatively to a vanilla game.) Hope needs some sort of protection that doesn't rely on someone being lucky.
That said, I don't trust Makai. Anyone who wanted to shut down any discussion of CzarTim possibly being Despair is super suspicious.