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Man takes selfie with 3yo black boy, makes racist jokes, gets fired & plays victim

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marrec

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No I don't know what you mean because what you said doesn't apply to this situation in any way. Context matters.

I suppose in specific cases context matters yes... but on the grand scheme when I look at the forest instead of individual trees it leaves a bad fucking taste in my mouth.

Again, in this case it seems like it was just a racist dude getting fired without much of a push from the net. Get fucked racist dude.

Edit:

This thread is neither the time, nor the place for me to take a triumphant stand against internet justice and it took me way too long to realize that. Sorry.

Get fucked racist dude.
 

JDSN

Banned
Sometimes the internet mobs dox racists, or get people kicked out of school for being dumb edgelords but not necessarily racist, or target the family of racists for no appreciable reason.

The idea of bringing justice to a fuckhead is so sweet that we're able to turn our heads when shit goes wrong, and it often does or at least always has the potential to go wrong. I'm not saying this dude didn't deserve getting fired and, in fact, he probably WOULDN'T have been fired without the internet shitstorm... but I still appreciate the need for less retaliatory actions simply for the sake of retaliation and retribution.
I think most users know the good and the bad of the topic being discussed, you are more than welcome to discuss the bad because people appreciate your contributions and you should continúe doing so if you feel like it, just to be clear the post I quoted was about certain approaches made by people like Bombassador to derail threads, theres a clearly defined pattern that shows that, unlike you, he truly doesnt wanna talk about the subject he wants us to focus, he just wants people to shut the fuck up. Nobody is drawing comparisons between you two.
 
The people who made the awful comments should try reach out to community leaders and try to get more educated on why this is wrong and how they could eventually recover from this and be better human beings. I have a feeling they might come out of this with the mentality of "Oh I shouldn't be racist because I might lose my job and get death threats and people will be mad at me" when they should have the mentality of "I shouldn't be racist because it's wrong and unfair to everyone around me"

I feel extra saddened for the child too. I really hope I'm alive when there's a generation that grows up that doesn't get made fun of or threatened because of the color of their skin.
 
I suppose in specific cases context matters yes... but on the grand scheme when I look at the forest instead of individual trees it leaves a bad fucking taste in my mouth.

Again, in this case it seems like it was just a racist dude getting fired without much of a push from the net. Get fucked racist dude.

Edit:

This thread is neither the time, nor the place for me to take a triumphant stand against internet justice and it took me way too long to realize that. Sorry.

Get fucked racist dude.

I think the important thing re: "internet justice" is being able to establish the dichotomy between "look, this person did a shitty thing *links to post, first-person evidence, etc.*" and "look, i heard from my friend at E3 this person did a shitty thing, we should start a subreddit." In this case I think it's not really a case of "internet mobs" considering the company would have had his ass fired upon finding out no matter what the circumstances.
 

marrec

Banned
I think most users know the good and the bad of the topic being discussed, you are more than welcome to discuss the bad because people appreciate your contributions and you should continúe doing so if you feel like it, just to be clear the post I quoted was about certain approaches made by people like Bombassador to derail threads, theres a clearly defined pattern that shows that, unlike you, he truly doesnt wanna talk about the subject he wants us to focus, he just wants people to shut the fuck up. Nobody is drawing comparisons between you two.

Ya I get you, I was just using this as a megaphone when I really shouldn't have been. This isn't my hill to die on :lol

I think the important thing re: "internet justice" is being able to establish the dichotomy between "look, this person did a shitty thing *links to post, first-person evidence, etc.*" and "look, i heard from my friend at E3 this person did a shitty thing, we should start a subreddit." In this case I think it's not really a case of "internet mobs" considering the company would have had his ass fired upon finding out no matter what the circumstances.

We're actually still really early on in this new, scary cycle of social media and it will be interesting at least to see if this kind of thing becomes the new normal.
 

Lulubop

Member
I only saw Bombassador's arguments when people thought they were joking.

Are you telling me Bombassador was serious?

He tried to and succeeded in derailing the the thread early, then came back with something new to try and derail the thread. Good riddance, he knew exactly what he was doing.
 
Hmm...

Thread about racists outraged that a racist was fired for being openly racist...

Guy was like, "shit was taken out of context" and "I don' got ma black friends bruh!"

All I can say is...

If that's how you treat your black friends (i.e. doing your racist thing against their kids) then it doesn't really help your defense cous..

And then the world turns...
 
I suppose in specific cases context matters yes... but on the grand scheme when I look at the forest instead of individual trees it leaves a bad fucking taste in my mouth.

Again, in this case it seems like it was just a racist dude getting fired without much of a push from the net. Get fucked racist dude.

Get fucked racist dude.

Right. But it's funny how you people always jump into threads like this to point out how wrong this all is. Well done! You're so concerned about where this could go and others are comparing it to lynch mobs with such fervor. It's beautiful. Tell me, for all the gnashing of teeth that people on the internet talk about in regards to witch hunts and so forth, the giant threads on reddit specifically where so many white people post. When have any of you gone into such a fervor over defending the innocence of black people? Why is it that when these things come up. A child, a child is being bullied and made fun of because of something he had no choice in. You all jump to the bullies feelings, livelihood and richest of all, mental well being?

You all seem to be so educated on the affects of lynching. I'm curious, have you ever researched the effects of racism....the links to physical problems, social problems, emotional problems? Mental problems? Or is racism just "being mean" like so many of you believe. That is has no real world consequences when someones racist? I know why you people think that way, because it doesn't affect you. You get your nice cozy bubbles and you can be as blind as you want to the suffering of others, that in a thread about a child being shat on. The arguments are about the words used, whether things are actually racist or not, and of course; derailment about "The poor white person is going to be mistreated now".Let's not talk about what happened, lets talk about hypotheticals and other things. Because then it's almost like it never happened!

It is terrifying how in completely cut and dry situations such as this, you all are still making such reaches to give someone like that the benefit of the doubt or worry about their well being. But not the child's. i mean, sorry; the black mans life and well being. You should do some introspection and ask yourself why this is the time and the place to be talking about some flat out ignorant fools feelings.
 

akira28

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His black friends would surely have something to say about their association with him being casually tossed out there like that. "Friend? no he just lives in the same building as me, I see him in the elevator a bunch. Never invited him inside to watch the game or play Xbox or anything. He seemed ok."

Who in the fuck mocks a 3 years old kid treating him as a slave?

well depends. are you familiar with the word association game? bored people with questionable and racially insensitive ideas doing the backstroke in their understimulated brains.
 
As much as creating a twitter campaign out of this annoys me, I am shocked about how terrible he and his friends are. Especially towards a child.

I lose faith in the Internet when game developers get death threats, but I have no problem if the Internet wants to send angry tweets his way.
 

marrec

Banned
Right. But it's funny how you people always jump into threads like this to point out how wrong this all is. Well done! You're so concerned about where this could go and others are comparing it to lynch mobs with such fervor. It's beautiful. Tell me, for all the gnashing of teeth that people on the internet talk about in regards to witch hunts and so forth, the giant threads on reddit specifically where so many white people post. When have any of you gone into such a fervor over defending the innocence of black people? Why is it that when these things come up. A child, a child is being bullied and made fun of because of something he had no choice in. You all jump to the bullies feelings, livelihood and richest of all, mental well being?

You all seem to be so educated on the affects of lynching. I'm curious, have you ever researched the effects of racism....the links to physical problems, social problems, emotional problems? Mental problems? Or is racism just "being mean" like so many of you believe. That is has no real world consequences when someones racist? I know why you people think that way, because it doesn't affect you. You get your nice cozy bubbles and you can be as blind as you want to the suffering of others, that in a thread about a child being shat on. The arguments are about the words used, whether things are actually racist or not, and of course; derailment about "The poor white person is going to be mistreated now".Let's not talk about what happened, lets talk about hypotheticals and other things. Because then it's almost like it never happened!

It is terrifying how in completely cut and dry situations such as this, you all are still making such reaches to give someone like that the benefit of the doubt or worry about their well being. But not the child's. i mean, sorry; the black mans life and well being. You should do some introspection and ask yourself why this is the time and the place to be talking about some flat out ignorant fools feelings.

You may have just seen my posts in the last few pages so I'll quote myself from page 4:

I'm very very against internet lynch mobs and the damage they can do.

This, however, turned out alright. This guy and the friends he keeps are obviously steeped in the kind of hateful and racist language that has no need for context and is not excused by "joking around". He and the people who posted on that picture are bigots who can't see the humanity in a 3 y/o black boy, much less a grown ass black man.

As long as we leave it at that, no death threats, no doxing, let the racist shithead and his misplaced fury fade away even from memory.

As for the rest of your post, you don't know me and that's fine.

I'm not going to dedicate a lot of time defending myself here because it feels like just further derailment in an thread that's partially gotten back on track, just watch out for my posts elsewhere on GAF ya? Get to know me a bit.
 

RE_Player

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How on earth does one make those comments about a child? The moment I saw the picture I just thought it was a guy with a cute little kid in the background.
 
This plus your caping for the confederate flag tells me all I need to know. *punt*

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In french we have an expression "Lynchage médiatique". I don't know its proper use in english but "lynching" in french has evolved from beeing a "simple" "group of people lashes out in anger and kills a culprit" to "anything that kills someone's image in a public way" on top of the old lynching which is, obviously, very very rare nowadays (even if there was a case with a Rom last year in France). It's actually prety commonly used and the "internet mob mentality" is easily an example of it.

From that perspective, I can understand where Bombasador seems to be coming from.

Edit : obviously they're not the same (real lynching beeing much worse and reprehensible), I'm merely trying to give a different cultural perspective to the use of the word elsewhere in the world.

I don't mind a cultural disconnect, and I gather that many people not from America might not use the term like we do. Hell, even some Americans use it differently. The issue was that he continued to compare the two after continuously being reminded of the context of the term and this discussion.
 
You may have just seen my posts in the last few pages so I'll quote myself from page 4:



As for the rest of your post, you don't know me and that's fine.

I'm not going to dedicate a lot of time defending myself here because it feels like just further derailment in an thread that's partially gotten back on track, just watch out for my posts elsewhere on GAF ya? Get to know me a bit.

I don't know you. I know you on GAF. I've seen your posts. I don't care, it doesn't make you immune from the mindset that plagues everyone else. *you* should know better than to bring up that point in this thread.
 
This plus your caping for the confederate flag tells me all I need to know. *punt*
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marrec

Banned
*you* should know better than to bring up that point in this thread.

I agree, I said as much in the post you quoted.

I also agree that I'm not immune to the typical prejudice or bias, to think so would be quite too egotistical even for me.

God, I edit posts too much.
 

entremet

Member
I only saw Bombassador's arguments when people thought they were joking.

Are you telling me Bombassador was serious?

Trolling is bannable.

He was given a long leash too, but he didn't know that the best and longest lasting trolls know how to sprinkle it a bit here and there.

Never go full on joke character.
 

Otheradam

Member
It's always people in pr or marketing too. You'd think they are at aware of how social media works because of their job.
 
Eh. Some things you don't troll about. Comparing people getting hung from trees to someone getting fired for making jokes about his coworkers 3 year old black kid being a slave is too much. Fuck off with that shit.
 

Two Words

Member
You can get fired from your job simply because the company no longer needs you. Why shouldn't you also be firable for publicly displaying racist sentiments that the company does not wish to have an affiliation with?
 

marrec

Banned
You can get fired from your job simply because the company no longer needs you. Why shouldn't you also be firable for publicly displaying racist sentiments that the company does not wish to have an affiliation with?

I think being a racist shithead makes you infinitely more firable than most anything else. It creates an absolutely toxic work environment.

Trayvoning? That's a fucking meme!? Not even gonna google that...

Around the time of the Zimmerman trial ya.
 

Wiseblood

Member
You can get fired from your job simply because the company no longer needs you. Why shouldn't you also be firable for publicly displaying racist sentiments that the company does not wish to have an affiliation with?

Not just racist sentiments but racist sentiments towards the child of a coworker. Somebody had to go and it sure as shit wasn't going to be the child's mother.
 

DR2K

Banned
I disagree with anyone getting fired over any type of comment over social media. What you say on your own time is your own business. No matter how stupid or disgusting the comments are.
 
I disagree with anyone getting fired over any type of comment over social media. What you say on your own time is your own business. No matter how stupid or disgusting the comments are.
Uhhh well when you are representing a company, I doubt that said company wants to have their image tarnished by employing someone like that. If you are stupid enough to do shit like that on social media where everyone can see it you deserve to get fired. It would be the same thing if he had posted that photo up on the board in the cafeteria at work with the racist comments.
 

marrec

Banned
I disagree with anyone getting fired over any type of comment over social media. What you say on your own time is your own business. No matter how stupid or disgusting the comments are.

As a representative of the company, if you're saying racist shit in any kind of public forum and it comes back to me? We've got problems. I may not fire you (depending on what exactly happened) but there will definitely be a meeting with HR... this guy though?

He'd have been out on his ass so fast he wouldn't even have time to collect his stupid shit from his cubicle.

Most managers I've spoken with agree with the general part of my post, and it is something that we talk about when at conferences/sales convention because stuff like this is always in the news.
 
I disagree with anyone getting fired over any type of comment over social media. What you say on your own time is your own business. No matter how stupid or disgusting the comments are.

You should try pulling that shit at your place of work and see how far you get.
 

marrec

Banned
You should try pulling that shit at your place of work and see how far you get.

Yup. People aren't racist in a vacuum and if they're doing it on some kind of public social media then they are likely doing in the breakroom. Can't have that, won't have that.
 
Good. He deserved to be fired. Piece of shit.

A few years from now that kid'll be more of a man (let alone a decent human being) than that jackass ever could be.
 
Its not "your own time" anymore when you post something where everyone else can read it. You have officially yelled it through a megaphone from the rooftops. That doesn't equate to saying things on your own time which would be in a private setting in person. Even then your ass should still get fired if you are talking about some heinous shit and word gets out.
 
The whole "internet mob justice" thing doesn't sit well with me either, but at the same time, I'm not sure what the people who rage against it expect/want to happen in these situations.

To be clear, I'm talking about situations where someone is profoundly in the wrong (socially/culturally), rather than simply making say, a poorly timed or thought-out comment (like that woman on the plane to Africa last year).

It's a given that mobs ruining someone's life over a mistake or errant remark is not ideal.

But in a case like this, obviously this dude is a shithead, and it seems like the "mobs are bad" argument would necessarily lead to this kind of thing just being ignored and overlooked.

Should we just hope someone who can administer a consequence of some sort notices later?

I think the point is that to the internet mob, the difference between the 2 is completely irrelevant. Both get the same punishment. That girl was also fired and had her life ruined in front of the whole world (that was actually taking pleasure in it in real time, waiting for her plane to land so she could learn she'd been fired and had like 2 million angry tweets directed at her). Also some guy actually went to the airport to try an film her reaction. All that because of one careless tweet that was interpreted as racist.

I don't know about you, but I find that scary as shit.
 
It blows my mind that the defense for this (and so many other similar cases) boils down to "but it's SO HARD for me to not be openly racist on social media :'( ".

To be fair, its really really hard to not say something racist on social media. It just comes out from you sometimes, you know? One minute you're liking a high school friend's wedding photos then another minute you're commenting on how those uppity blacks should stop Travonning and get some real jobs.

What? You're not a piece of shit? Well then, I guess you got nothing to worry about.
 
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