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GOP Primary Debate #3 |CNBC| Burning Bush
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Modest Mauser
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Yeah. Some of the questions were awful, but they were pressing him on a straight up lie.
And they were booed for it. What the hell? Why wouldn't you want politicians to be held accountable for shit like that?
these debates just make me angry. listening to someone talk about all they have to do is cure all the diseases and we wont have a medicare problem anymore . NO SHIT SHERLOCK
and then saying we dont have a medicare problem we have a health problem....ok so why is it if i break my arm it costs $20k to fix?
and then saying we dont have a medicare problem we have a health problem....ok so why is it if i break my arm it costs $20k to fix?
I think he won't last, but that is more due to all his money going to Rubio.
balladofwindfishes
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The 4th debate isn't too far away, he'll probably pinch what few pennies he has left and try a last attempt.
RustyNails
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I called it yesterday, that his entire schtick revolves around publicly denouncing a thing he was for after he gets called out on it!
- Replace medicare with his HSA plan which gives $2000 voucher to everyone. Gets called out on it. His new response "well that was my old plan. My new plan is different"
- Against all goverent subsidies, except ethanol. Gets called out on it. His new response "well that was my old plan. My new plan is different"
- 10% tithing flat tax. Gets called out on it. His new response "well that was my old plan. My new plan is different"
- Peddles magic medicine from a company accused of fraud. His new response "well that is wrong. I have nothing to do with the company"
When will this charade end?
Future PhaZe
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if its just rubio left for the establishment then the GOP is in a rough spot
CNBC wouldn't know what journalism looked like if it bit them in the balls and wouldn't let go. If you want to see good moderation go look at Cooper's performance at the last Democrat debate.
It's the same old shit.
"I have a plan!"
"Ok, what is it?"
"You know, stuff and things."
benjipwns
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The debates are free advertising, so is all the constant media coverage they get from Fox and CNN, etc.
And the primaries are proportional through Super Tuesday (March 1st) at minimum. So a leading candidate at 25-30% doesn't matter like it used to when GOP primaries were winner-take-all. Even if a single candidate sweeps all of them.
Santorum didn't have an operation outside Iowa, and he still did pretty well extending that fight against Romney's massive resources. Gingrich too. And that was a completely different race. Santorum was at like 2% at the start of December and 4% nationally the day before Iowa.
Besides, what else are you going to do?
And the primaries are proportional through Super Tuesday (March 1st) at minimum. So a leading candidate at 25-30% doesn't matter like it used to when GOP primaries were winner-take-all. Even if a single candidate sweeps all of them.
Santorum didn't have an operation outside Iowa, and he still did pretty well extending that fight against Romney's massive resources. Gingrich too. And that was a completely different race. Santorum was at like 2% at the start of December and 4% nationally the day before Iowa.
Besides, what else are you going to do?
RustyNails
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Lets continue that for Ben Carson
"Stuff and thangs means a trillion dollar deficit. What do you say about that?"
"Oh that was my old plan. My new plan is different."
No other candidate walks away from their plan. They explain and defend it. Carson, being the charlatan he is, has no problem walking away from plans.
Orbis Tabula
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Yeah, I've got the feeling that this is gonna be a long primary slog.
Veritigo_X
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Exactly what I was thinking when his attack fell flat last night. He gives up too easy. You can see him trying to recover in both instances but each time the other candidate talked over him to make their point the final word on the matter. Jeb just being Jeb.
Haha, that's always his answer to things. Not just at the debate, but when questioned about his policies in general. Carson's always evolving, journalists just can't keep up with him. Seems to be working for him.
hydragonwarrior
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You use your good hand to pull up your boot straps.
gutter_trash
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looks like Dubya inherited all the street smarts while Jeb inherited zero.
Jeb is shooting blanks
Jeb is shooting blanks
Oh shit, he's dropping out on Friday the 13th.
Why? I understand his polling isn't great, but I truly think he's the best they have, for better or worse.
Cymbal Head
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After Cruz opened the floodgates, the moderators got noticeably more timid, and by the end of the night, the degree to which they allowed candidates to ignore questions, butt in without being asked, and generally take the reins got really silly. They weren't expecting to be attacked directly, and it made them lose what little grasp they had on the debate.
An interesting claim considering that there is no proof that "audiographic memory" is real. Admittedly, he might have a very impressive memory system, but audiographic memory is a myth similar to all forms of eidetic memory.
Not really - they just need one, and now there's no need for the establishment to keep backing two or three different horses.
Regardless of the polling, I'd be very, very surprised if one of the 'outsider' candidates like Trump or Carson ended up the nominee. Rubio seems like their best choice, and in the end he'll probably get the nod. All he has to do is shut up and avoid making any serious gaffes, and wait for the 'outsiders' to crash and burn like they always do.
fallengorn
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Thanks for that.
I don't think the questions were any different that what have been previously asked. It's not like they were never asked to comment about each other before. Seemed like once someone attacked the media/moderators it was blood in the water and there's easy points to score.
Meanwhile, any attempt to actually fix healthcare is labeled "socialized medicine", then demonized.
BobTheFork
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McCain's cry of 'folks I have a plan'
*crickets*
was one of the worst parts of his campaign.
I'm really surprised to see candidates still try to claim they have a plan without anything to back it up.
*crickets*
was one of the worst parts of his campaign.
I'm really surprised to see candidates still try to claim they have a plan without anything to back it up.
Pilgrimzero
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Best part for me was Trump attacking Superpacs and the only response his comrades had was to attack the media/Dems.
Trump is the wildcard. If he continues to lead polls, and runs as an independent when losing the nom, that will hurt republicans
Veritigo_X
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Was Jeb's attack against Rubio the "campaign ending move" hyped up before the debate? I can't see what else it would be.
And what's stupid is that there is something to be said for someone who is willing to admit that they're wrong and is open to new ideas they hadn't considered but Carson changing his position every other day looks less like someone open to new ideas and more like someone who has no idea what they're talking about and panics once other people realize that he's clueless.
To be completely fair I'm almost entirely sure Carson isn't really running for president. He's on a glorified book tour. It's not his fault the Republican party is this dumb.
We're getting numerous reports of donors saying how bone-headed it was, so I assume so.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I was just thinking how strange it is that, after years of hearing how Jeb is the smart one, how he would have been a better, more efficient president, he's managed, in only two debates, to throw into sharp relief what a political tightrope act the George Bush "image" really was. Jeb is like all the W problems with none of the boyish charm.
RustyNails
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"Sir, you said you will institute no fly zone over Syria. Are you willing to put boots on the ground to enforce it?"
"Oh that was my old plan. My new plan calls for invasion of Russia instead of Syria."
PlayALLtheGames
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I still want someone to follow up on Carson's claim that that Nutri-whatever company he was shilling for used his picture on their website without his consent.
Despite the fact that he contradicted himself in the same sentence when he said "I didn't have a relationship with them, I just did some speeches for them", I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the website thing. I have a feeling, though, if it were confirmed that there was approval, he'd be like, "Well I certainly didn't give it, someone from my staff must have done."
On that note, I still can't believe that pathetic, fucking crowd for boo'ing when the moderator asked if the alleged, unapproved use of Carson's image on the website spoke to his lack of ability to vet things or, you know, be aware of shit.
Despite the fact that he contradicted himself in the same sentence when he said "I didn't have a relationship with them, I just did some speeches for them", I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the website thing. I have a feeling, though, if it were confirmed that there was approval, he'd be like, "Well I certainly didn't give it, someone from my staff must have done."
On that note, I still can't believe that pathetic, fucking crowd for boo'ing when the moderator asked if the alleged, unapproved use of Carson's image on the website spoke to his lack of ability to vet things or, you know, be aware of shit.
From the feedback I've been hearing and reading, it sure seems like it. That or Kasich's scorched earth approach.
Cymbal Head
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Has anyone come across a good account of what Carson's appeal is aside from the fact that he was a neurosurgeon and uses words like "intellect"? I'm genuinely baffled that he's polling so well.
Yes. The article that reported on it confirmed it.
Lord_Byron28
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For those that missed it, what was the attack?
His base is Evangelicals and he tosses them red meat constantly.
Jason's Ultimatum
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EDIT-Cancel.
Your Entertainer
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Yeah. He's automatically the best candidate up there for bringing attention to it. His opponents have absolutely no response to it.
BobTheFork
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No but his personal brand of stupid does fit in amazingly well.
Jason's Ultimatum
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HOLY SHIT. PLEASE tell me that's not an actual transcript from the debate. :LOL :LOL
The hilarious thing to me was that Jeb's initial plan must have been to bring it up himself.
Instead, the moderators brought it up first and Rubio completely shut it down. Jeb completely ignored that and just slinked in with his prepared attack and got predictably destroyed.
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