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Wkd BO 06•03-05•16 - Turtles Before Apocalypse. Popstar Never Started.

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I wasn't looking at "omg it'll be big in Korea" so much as wondering whether it would have a bigger shot at being more popular in the US, riding the scifi wave of GotG and TFA.

Maybe. I'd be more interested in that visually. Could do some really creepy shit with the zergs too.

Like I am a huge fan of lotr but this warcraft aesthetic ain't all that exciting in live action to me. Starcraft could be a very cool ass movie though. I wonder if it might be greenlit with this huge success of warcraft overseas.
 

Zackat

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the film being too late plus lack of Warcraft 3/WoW races is what's gonna hurt this so much here.

the overseas success and huge potential turn around for NA through the attraction of other races is why a sequel is really feasible.

If they get some elven storyline in there somehow $$$. Will they go CGI elves or live actors though?

Alleria Windrunner and all that storyline maybe? I can't remember the exact timeline and how it relates to the movie timeline though.
 

Loxley

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Warcraft would have had a tough time Stateside no matter what year it was released. For whatever reason, fantasy is just a harder sell here compared to Europe or Asia.

It looks generic as all hell.

Also, it's at least 8 years too late to cash in on the Warcraft name, and just about as late to catch the end of the swords and sorcery fantasy movie wave.

I don't remember any sort "fantasy wave" from the last 15 years other than the "me too" post-Harry Potter years where every fantasy children's book series was getting a movie in some lame attempt at a franchise. Other than that we had the YA Twilight/Hunger Games obsession and the superhero movie boom, but I don't recall any wave that Warcraft could have noticeably benefited from.
 

duckroll

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Oh I'm not limiting the debate. Just surprised that was the first thing everyone jumped at. I realized that I didn't post my personal take on it, so I wanted to expand on that.

I feel that a Starcraft film would probably do better in the US domestically, but suffer internationally because of the brand of scifi Starcraft has, especially if they draw from the earlier games instead of the more recent ones. The heavily gungho militaristic type of scifi seems less popular internationally compared to the big adventure space opera ones which are more like space fantasy.
 

kswiston

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I wasn't looking at "omg it'll be big in Korea" so much as wondering whether it would have a bigger shot at being more popular in the US, riding the scifi wave of GotG and TFA.

Would people care? Tomb Raider is still the highest grossing videogame film domestically after 15 years. None of them do particularly well here, even if the US is the biggest market for videogames.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
I'm pretty positive that Warcraft will get a sequel. It seems like a prime candidate to switch to a Chinese co-production, netting Legendary the ~40% participation that co-production films get there, plus whatever the Wanda theatre chain keeps on top of that.

Even with shit legs, we are probably looking at $250M or so in China. Rest of the world isn't horrible. Pacific Rim did close to $200M overseas outside of China, and from what I can tell, Warcraft is doing better than that in most territories.

$500M worldwide is possible, even if the domestic take is in the $50M range. Warcraft's budget was $160M.
With a $160M budget, I think a $450M + WW take would guarantee a sequel

Crazy
 

Zackat

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Oh I'm not limiting the debate. Just surprised that was the first thing everyone jumped at. I realized that I didn't post my personal take on it, so I wanted to expand on that.

I feel that a Starcraft film would probably do better in the US domestically, but suffer internationally because of the brand of scifi Starcraft has, especially if they draw from the earlier games instead of the more recent ones. The heavily gungho militaristic type of scifi seems less popular internationally compared to the big adventure space opera ones which are more like space fantasy.

Starcraft would probably be the closest thing we get to a 40k movie so I would be hyped af. I don't like Starcraft as much as Warcraft, even though I've played all the games, but it would be cool to see.
 
The most appealing thing to me about Warcraft is that it cost me $4.39 to get an IMAX 3D ticket on a Friday night

So you know
 

vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I wasn't looking at "omg it'll be big in Korea" so much as wondering whether it would have a bigger shot at being more popular in the US, riding the scifi wave of GotG and TFA.

Duno, Ender's Game didn't light up the box-office charts in the US either despite the popularity of the source material (and that was at the height of the YA genre with Hunger Games & Twilight).

I'd personally would have preferred a Starcraft film as oppose to a Warcraft one but hey, with Legendary now under Wanda, Warcraft might pave the way for a Starcraft film due to China's success.
 

kswiston

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The most appealing thing to me about Warcraft is that it cost me $4.39 to get an IMAX 3D ticket on a Friday night

So you know

T-Mobile?

I wonder how that will factor into the weekend box office, and how many people in general are even bothering to claim tickets.
 
T-Mobile?

I wonder how that will factor into the weekend box office, and how many people in general are even bothering to claim tickets.

I am the true Uncarrier
And the Walmart 30$ plan is the GOAT

I legit wonder if they'll count those tickets. Someone's getting paid for them, right?
 

duckroll

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T-Mobile?

I wonder how that will factor into the weekend box office, and how many people in general are even bothering to claim tickets.

Maybe the studio can just count every single offer given out as a confirmed ticket "sale" and just add it full priced to the total and report that. (*)

(*) - Learning the wrong lessons from Ip Man 3.
 
Here are the lessons to learn from Ip Man 3

Don't have a non-native speaker speak Chinese, then English, and switch back and forth constantly
Don't book Mike Tyson
Don't do the exact same goddamn plot at the first movie almost
Don't tease Bruce Lee for 3 movies and then never deliver
 
I mean on one hand, they've basically closed that arc entirely and I can't see them continuing on at all

On the other, this one made a SHITLOAD of money
 

kswiston

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They will count the T-Mobile tickets. Aren't they being redeemed via Fandango?

This isn't much different than when Walmart presold Man of Steel early shows, other than the fact that customers aren't footing the bill unless they want premium formats.
 

Zackat

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They will count the T-Mobile tickets. Aren't they being redeemed via Fandango?

This isn't much different than when Walmart presold Man of Steel early shows, other than the fact that customers aren't footing the bill unless they want premium formats.

The theater near me sold out of tickets for Thursday showings. I wonder if this T-Mobile thing is why.
 

kswiston

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Sony probably wishes that T-Mobile had its giveaway app out earlier. They wouldn't have had to have Spectre stay in theatres for 6 years to hit that $200M mark if they had an easier way to buy their own tickets.
 

3N16MA

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I'm pretty positive that Warcraft will get a sequel. It seems like a prime candidate to switch to a Chinese co-production, netting Legendary the ~40% participation that co-production films get there, plus whatever the Wanda theatre chain keeps on top of that.

Even with shit legs, we are probably looking at $250M or so in China. Rest of the world isn't horrible. Pacific Rim did close to $200M overseas outside of China, and from what I can tell, Warcraft is doing better than that in most territories.

$500M worldwide is possible, even if the domestic take is in the $50M range. Warcraft's budget was $160M.

Duncan Jones will be too busy working on the next 5 Warcraft sequels to do anything else.

Too bad.
 

3N16MA

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Is the Uncharted film ever going to see the light of day? Sony should just scrap that June 30, 2017 release date already.
 

Busty

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Is the Uncharted film ever going to see the light of day? Sony should just scrap that June 30, 2017 release date already.

You should go back and have at look at just how many of the films that Sony announced under the Tom Rothman regime (Uncharted, Bad Boys 3, Barbie) actually still stand a chance of going into production in time for their supposed release dates.

It makes for interesting reading.

Did you really expect a brand strongest among young fat lazy teenagers who never leave their homes to have substantial pull in cinemas?

For what it's worth this is why these Youtube 'stars' will never cross over to a mainstream audience because why would teenagers, who are used to getting these nonsensical, screeching Youtube videos for free on their phones, ever pay to go and see this 'talent' in a film.

And even when it comes to home video they all pirate/torrent it anyway.
 
I wasn't looking at "omg it'll be big in Korea" so much as wondering whether it would have a bigger shot at being more popular in the US, riding the scifi wave of GotG and TFA.

It would be bigger just on the sci-fi thing alone, even without GotG and TFA. Sell it as a big enough space opera, and it would do well.
There is no way they could sell it and make it look worse than Jupiter Ascending.
 

numble

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I don't remember any sort "fantasy wave" from the last 15 years other than the "me too" post-Harry Potter years where every fantasy children's book series was getting a movie in some lame attempt at a franchise. Other than that we had the YA Twilight/Hunger Games obsession and the superhero movie boom, but I don't recall any wave that Warcraft could have noticeably benefited from.
Peter Jackson made 9 movies with orcs and elves in the last 15 years.
 

kswiston

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Warcraft is now at $92M in China after 2 days.

Over $180M by Sunday is looking likely.

Depending on how it does elsewhere, Warcraft may end up being the highest grossing videogame film of all time worldwide by this weekend.
 

a916

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I'm pretty positive that Warcraft will get a sequel. It seems like a prime candidate to switch to a Chinese co-production, netting Legendary the ~40% participation that co-production films get there, plus whatever the Wanda theatre chain keeps on top of that.

Even with shit legs, we are probably looking at $250M or so in China. Rest of the world isn't horrible. Pacific Rim did close to $200M overseas outside of China, and from what I can tell, Warcraft is doing better than that in most territories.

$500M worldwide is possible, even if the domestic take is in the $50M range. Warcraft's budget was $160M.

500M would put it in best video game movie at the box office of all time. There's a long way to go to get that done I feel...

Also $1 earned in China is not the same as $1 earned in the US, I could be wrong but there's a huge difference in the cut that the movie maker gets.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
500M would put it in best video game movie at the box office of all time. There's a long way to go to get that done I feel...

Also $1 earned in China is not the same as $1 earned in the US, I could be wrong but there's a huge difference in the cut that the movie maker gets.
Yeah, but Legendary is now Chinese owned.

There has to be shenanigans involved so they get more of the gross
 

GAMEPROFF

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When boxofficemojo claims "100€ made", is that 100€ for the studio or one dollar in the cinema before they split their part off?
 

-griffy-

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I don't remember any sort "fantasy wave" from the last 15 years other than the "me too" post-Harry Potter years where every fantasy children's book series was getting a movie in some lame attempt at a franchise. Other than that we had the YA Twilight/Hunger Games obsession and the superhero movie boom, but I don't recall any wave that Warcraft could have noticeably benefited from.

There was definitely a wave of fantasy films in the midst of LOTR and Harry Potter both hitting it big in 2001. You had stuff like the Narnia films, Beowulf, The Seeker, Bridge to Teribithia, The Golden Compass, Enchanted, Stardust, The Water Horse, The Spiderwick Chronicles, etc., all hitting in the tail end of the 2000's. Some of those were trying really hard to be the next big, fantasy epic, and Warcraft might have fit right in to that group. I don't know that this would have resulted in more money in the US though. Most of those fizzled with little fanfare anyways, then Twilight and Hunger Games hit it big and we got all the YA adaptations.
 
Wait, Warcraft didn't completely bomb thanks to China?

I really am living in an alternate dimension aren't I?

Not really. Different audience, different needs.

I think there's enough there in Warcraft to justify a sequel. Moon needs to focus on the Orcs and fix some pacing issues. It's not an unsalvageable trilogy.
 
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