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[GrizzleBoy]

Calling people racist doesn't reduce racism, okay. I think everyone can agree there.

You know what also doesn't reduce racism?

Not a single Trump supporter being able to openly accept the racism their vote carried into the white house, regardless of their social or political leanings.

The HUGE portion of Americans who ignore institutionalised racism or refuse to believe or accept its existence is the problem minorities face in the first place when it comes to reducing racism.

Pushing the issue of race in America to the back of the queue so that we don't make people who wont accept its existence feel uncomfortable, certainly will not reduce racism. America ALREADY pushed the issue to the back of the queue the moment Trump made it into the white house.

He won. Your economic anxiety has been acknowledged. Can someone out there who voted for Trump now PLEASE acknowledge the racial (sexuality/religious/) anxiety his win has created?

No?

Why?

Let me copy pasta one of my posts from another thread which expands on that some more.

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As I said at the top of the previous page.

It's just very telling, especially on this page that Trump supporters simply cannot and will not:

a) Accept the effect their votes have already had regarding the rights of minorities

b) Following point A, be able to say "I know what I voted for, but I will not stand by if the Trump government starts a campaign against your rights.

c) Do anything else other than simply voice their point that they're upset you'd be troubled that they voted for something that's literally making them fearful.

EVERY, SINGLE post defending Trump voters is either some kind of second hand "well I'm sure they're not all racist" which is actually besides the point. You don't need to be racist to turn a blind eye to it. But that's also besides the point.

Or there's the people posting that they're not going to air their views because they fear criticism. Even though the question of the thread is only asking if they will actively denounce and reject any hate towards them whether it be the rise of hate groups or discriminatory legislation from Washington.

The fact that people are far more interested in defending their vote for Trump instead of denouncing his and his partys social views, even when it's not the topic of discussion says a lot imo.

The problem minorities have is that the majority need to be on their side if equality can ever be a reality.

So these discussions NEED to be had. Minorities would like to know where they stand and would like to hear that even if you voted for Trump based on the economy, you'd fight him on social issues geared against them.

But we're not seeing that on the television.

We're not hearing that on the radio.

We're not reading it on Internet forums.

We're not seeing it in Facebook posts.

We can't get anything else other than a defense that a vote for a racist doesn't make them.a racist, and that we need to listen to their issues and that's pretty much all were getting.

Ever.

In a time where the narrative of "we lost the election because we ignored the concerns of x group of Americans" is doing the rounds, the concerns of many Americans right now are being brushed aside because it makes too many feel "uncomfortable".

And I don't believe it's because they're afraid of criticism, but because of the fact that at some stage in the discussion, they will need to admit that regardless of their reasons for voting, their vote also meant something that they themselves are probably not ready to come to terms with yet.

If we cannot get people to at least accept point a) and make statement b), instead of just making point c) over and over and over, then the discussion of equality can't really happen, because it's representative of attitudes that prevent it in the first place

Welp.

Funnily enough, the only two people I've personally been able to hear both say they will work with Trump on his ambitions to change the way politics works and also take a solid stance against his bigotry are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Why is it so difficult for basically everyone else ive ever seen discuss this election to say the same?

 

[Foggy]

Study sure is swell but there's no room for these "brief, frank" conversations in the social media space.

 

[Slayven]

If you want to talk and engage someone's racism, do you.

But it should not be the standard and damn sure should not be expected.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

This thread confirms to me that minorities are not allowed to be angry and that they just need to eat shit and be happy. Let's ignore that we have tried the calm and nice approach for years and we still do it now. But we are the ones wrong for being angry and frustrated while racist people get a pass because "they don't know better"

You live up to your screenname

 

[Gutek]

Maybe we can get a Department of Talking to Racists going, where we pay people to professionally talk to racists and convince them to not be racist anymore?

 

[Veitsev]

If this is the takeway from this election then we are fucked. The solution to a bigot winning the presidency with a minority of the popular vote isn't to coddle his supporters and try to understand them its to fight them and defeat them. He ran a overtly racist white nationalist campaign. He was praised by his supporters for "telling it like it is" because he said the racist shit they wanted to hear. They knew exactly what they were getting and they should be held accountable. 45% of the electorate didn't even vote. Of those that did the majority didn't vote for Trump, they voted for Clinton. A hateful minority in this country mobilized themselves and got their hateful people into office. We do not need to coddle this minority. We need to mobilize ourselves better, focus on down ticket races, and run them out of office.

 

[crooked spin]

Because everyone puts the onus on minorities while they sit in their ivory tower doing nothing except talking down to minorities telling them "please understand/empathise/reach out to these people who hate you for simply existing".

If white moderates put in half the work in talking and opening dialog with racists as they do telling minorities to do it, we probably could have ended racism ages ago.

I absolutely agree that white folks need to step up. Probably should have been more specific in earlier posts.

 

[ishibear]

People are more inclined to listen to people like themselves than to someone deemed different.

Men have been essential in educating other men about feminism. Straight people need to show homophobes why homophobia is wrong.

White non racists are key to educating white racists. Not people of color, whom these people have already decided are worthy of hate solely because we're "different".

 

[Polari]

I don't agree that it's isolated. People who voted the Trumpenreich into office need to be told, to their face, that their actions are racist as shit: You voted in a racist bigot who is appointing a shitload of White Supremacists to power and you're basically supporting Neo-Nazi's and the KKK. Letting this orange turd and his cabal of fascists into power means you did something extremely racist. We shouldn't pussyfoot around telling them that.

They need to feel shame about that and acknowledge that they did a Bad Thing.

It's good to feel right, isn't it? Good luck constructively changing the minds of just under half the country by calling them a racist.

If Trump enacts racist policies, I'd hope you'd call them out as racist, sure. But this idea that everyone who voted for him is automatically a racist is exactly what gave rise to him in the first place.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Anecdotal evidence - Bullshit.

It's worked for me on my dad. Calling him out as a racist every time he opened his mouth to say "nigger" when he saw a black person made him stop doing it and feel shame about his behavior. Calling out and shaming bad behavior works.

We absolutely do not have to "empathize" with a lot of forms of racism. Sometimes you just need to tell someone they're being bad.

It's not a binary choice. The method in the article would probably be better for sending a political opperative out canvasing in a rural white town. I don't know that a son making his dad feel shame for his behavior would work quite the same with a stranger entering a conservative echo chamber. In the case of political activity, I could see the type of brief, frank conversation mentioned in the article combining with a solutions based message making some difference. It doesn't mean shaming, protesting, and other things go away though.

 

[Mudo]

I haven't asked anyone this question yet. In the spirit he f this thread, I don't think any of my family members are racist HOWEVER, every single one of them voted for Trump. I am a gay white male. How do I process this? They have accepted me being gay for years (it was VERY bad the first couple years - they are super conservative religious). So just on the gay issue, I feel betrayed. But how do they justify voting for a man who said and did the things he did? Doesn't that silently say "yeah, all that's cool too"? Because it's not, and I feel like when i do talk to them about this, it's going up get really bad.

More on topic, I agree with this but again I'm somewhat conflicted becausdcI feel like you should be able to call something what it IS. I also understand that does not help the larger issue so it seems like it just sucks all around.

 

[spock]

Anecdotal evidence - Bullshit.

It's worked for me on my dad. Calling him out as a racist every time he opened his mouth to say "nigger" when he saw a black person made him stop doing it and feel shame about his behavior. Calling out and shaming bad behavior works.

We absolutely do not have to "empathize" with a lot of forms of racism. Sometimes you just need to tell someone they're being bad.

Odds are your dad still has the view he just doesnt express it on a surface level due to shame. This does not mean hes actually changed his belief structure just expression of it.

Many racists (diet and situational racist) watch their words and are careful who they express racist view points with because they know on some level its not acceptable. Shame keeps them quite but wont change actions and thoughts others cant know. This elections so called silent majority is an ideal example.

 

[Gutek]

Don't call the white man racist, or he will show you how racist he really is.

 

[spock]

I haven't asked anyone this question yet. In the spirit he f this thread, I don't think any of my family members are racist HOWEVER, every single one of them voted for Trump. I am a gay white male. How do I process this? They have accepted me being gay for years (it was VERY bad the first couple years - they are super conservative religious). So just on the gay issue, I feel betrayed. But how do they justify voting for a man who said and did the things he did? Doesn't that silently say "yeah, all that's cool too"? Because it's not, and I feel like when i do talk to them about this, it's going up get really bad.

More on topic, I agree with this but again I'm somewhat conflicted becausdcI feel like you should be able to call something what it IS. I also understand that does not help the larger issue so it seems like it just sucks all around.

My guess is some of them may have some situational/diet racist views or (acceptance of such) but dont express it because its considered unacceptable to a large degree.

 

[FadedRevolution]

Don't call the white man racist, or he will show you how racist he really is.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I absolutely agree that white folks need to step up. Probably should have been more specific in earlier posts.

Yep. Hopefully they do, because they'll have far more success than minorities. White Trump voters are far more likely to listen to their family members and white co-workers than some random minority.

That said, this should have been something done a long time ago.

I haven't asked anyone this question yet. In the spirit he f this thread, I don't think any of my family members are racist HOWEVER, every single one of them voted for Trump. I am a gay white male. How do I process this? They have accepted me being gay for years (it was VERY bad the first couple years - they are super conservative religious). So just on the gay issue, I feel betrayed. But how do they justify voting for a man who said and did the things he did? Doesn't that silently say "yeah, all that's cool too"? Because it's not, and I feel like when i do talk to them about this, it's going up get really bad.

More on topic, I agree with this but again I'm somewhat conflicted becausdcI feel like you should be able to call something what it IS. I also understand that does not help the larger issue so it seems like it just sucks all around.

I'm sorry you had to deal with that. But yeah, it's likely going to suck. Fighting racism and other forms of bigotry is ugly work, but it still must be done.

 

[Darryl M R]

Don't call the white man racist, or he will show you how racist he really is.

Racists are so whiny. Legit own up to it. They keep on acting like it matters. Hell be racist enough and you might be president one day.

 

[krazen]

Vox is right! I remember all the times those anarchist lefties refused to talk on things like civil rights. And who can forget when those filthy lefties walked around aggressively wearing those rainbow pins in support of gay marriage (unlike peaceful protests of gun rights with loaded rifles). You know how those pro gay marriage lesbians get, All bro'ed out and high off vegan marijuana cupcakes starting fights in bars with peaceful Trump supporters in bars. All we need to do is normalize racism, bring em into the fold, and change their minds.

Look at how we dealt with general distrust of science. We told them, "Lets just debate it out and treat whatever the fuck anyone says as facts"...Now there's no question about climate change! This could happen to racism too!

 

[Moon_frogger]

Can we point out that the trial in this study was about trans gender men and women and had nothing to do with racism? the title doesn't match up with the content of the post at all. Maybe it doesn't matter but I've had an easier time convincing people of trans rights than something like black lives matter. Maybe that's just me

 

[Crayon]

I haven't asked anyone this question yet. In the spirit he f this thread, I don't think any of my family members are racist HOWEVER, every single one of them voted for Trump. I am a gay white male. How do I process this? They have accepted me being gay for years (it was VERY bad the first couple years - they are super conservative religious). So just on the gay issue, I feel betrayed. But how do they justify voting for a man who said and did the things he did? Doesn't that silently say "yeah, all that's cool too"? Because it's not, and I feel like when i do talk to them about this, it's going up get really bad.

More on topic, I agree with this but again I'm somewhat conflicted becausdcI feel like you should be able to call something what it IS. I also understand that does not help the larger issue so it seems like it just sucks all around.

Many don't understand institutional racism/homophobia/sexism. To them, it's like water to a fish. They are so immersed in it they can't "see it".

Most. You probably have a few that really do understand privilege and white supremacy is in play right now but choose to play dumb and blend in to maximize damage. You could say the wolves among the sheep. It may help to pick them out.

 

[obijkenobi]

So in this canvasing, the people may or may not have been transgendered. Sorry, I am not going into rural country USA and asking white people to live in my brown skin in a 10 minute conversation. I already deal with enough racism in this blue city.

Like others have said, its up to what MLK called thr white moderates to do that shit.

 

[Veitsev]

I haven't asked anyone this question yet. In the spirit he f this thread, I don't think any of my family members are racist HOWEVER, every single one of them voted for Trump. I am a gay white male. How do I process this? They have accepted me being gay for years (it was VERY bad the first couple years - they are super conservative religious). So just on the gay issue, I feel betrayed. But how do they justify voting for a man who said and did the things he did? Doesn't that silently say "yeah, all that's cool too"? Because it's not, and I feel like when i do talk to them about this, it's going up get really bad.

More on topic, I agree with this but again I'm somewhat conflicted becausdcI feel like you should be able to call something what it IS. I also understand that does not help the larger issue so it seems like it just sucks all around.

The likely never accepted you for who you are they just got used to it. There is a difference between becoming desensitized to something you don't like and putting up with something and real tolerance. Sorry man.

 

[Maxinas]

Nah, racists should know exactly what kind of individuals they are perceived as in today's modern age, and how their primitive opinions and values won't be tolerated in it.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Maybe we can get a Department of Talking to Racists going, where we pay people to professionally talk to racists and convince them to not be racist anymore?

I know you're being sarcastic, but yes, that is what the Democratic party needs, imo. These rural counties have a disproportionate amount of political power. That red wall needs cracked somehow. I don't know what you'd call it, but they need convinced that standing in the way of progress is not in their best interest.

 

[timetokill]

Hilary getting called out for this quite something. She called them deplorable because they were.

Personally I think that statement was what cost her the election.

(sorry if this was posted previously, my phone is acting up)

 

[SeanTSC]

It's good to feel right, isn't it? Good luck constructively changing the minds of just under half the country by calling them a racist.

If Trump enacts racist policies, I'd hope you'd call them out as racist, sure. But this idea that everyone who voted for him is automatically a racist is exactly what gave rise to him in the first place.

It's good to BE right. And boy, I am. Some people's minds aren't worth changing and the only thing you can do is make them feel so much shame and feel so shitty about themselves that they change their behavior, not their thoughts. Fear of "doing wrong" is potent and in this case is going to be far more effective, because I don't believe for a minute that the kind of people who willfully voted an outwardly racist, bigoted, sexual predator into office are the kinds of people who can "change their minds" - only their behavior.

Trump is a racist and is appointing white supremacists to power. Stop denying it. It's reality.

 

[Croatoan]

Still waiting.



I called you dishonest because I don't believe you. You have the concern troll stink all over you and this is not the first time I got that vibe from you.



So much concern...

Forgive me if I choose to continue to call a racist a racist.

That is not even a good cherry pick, lol. It's your right to think me dishonest, but i can assure you i am not.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think that, as with most things, the solution to these issues has to be mostly structural rather than so granular. One on one conversations can only do so much, because you are battling not just against the ideas formed over a lifetime but also against their surrounding environment, both in terms of what they read and listen to and the people around them.

Not only this, but it's clear that literally nothing will change if you have to wait on White America (TM) to change its' mind. We probably wouldn't have interracial marriage when we did if rural American had its' way. Instead, miscegenation laws were forced off the books and people eventually got used to the idea (mostly).

I mean, I'm all for liberals lobbying for change and trying to change individual minds as they can but no amount of pleasant exchange of ideas is going to change this portion of the country as a whole. The people in question also have to want to change.

I do like that this is always framed as "the left should...." or "leftists should...". Why is there no impetus placed on moderate Republicans who hold their nose on these issues in order to gain more economic benefits, or on evangelicals who act outwardly loving but vote in hateful people for a chance at striking down Roe v Wade?

 

[Valhelm]

I don't agree that it's isolated. People who voted the Trumpenreich into office need to be told, to their face, that their actions are racist as shit: You voted in a racist bigot who is appointing a shitload of White Supremacists to power and you're basically supporting Neo-Nazi's and the KKK. Letting this orange turd and his cabal of fascists into power means you did something extremely racist. We shouldn't pussyfoot around telling them that.

They need to feel shame about that and acknowledge that they did a Bad Thing.

That's not gonna do shit to people who don't think Trump is a racist.

 

[ebullientprism]

Vox Research shows that you can reduce racism by talking to people rather them calling them racists.
GAF Nah. I'd rather just keep calling them racists, thanks. I am sure this problem will fix itself.

 

[FadedRevolution]

That's not gonna do shit to people who don't think Trump is a racist.

then they are idiots

 

[Foggy]

Vox Research shows that you can reduce racism by talking to people rather them calling them racists.
GAF Nah. I'd rather just keep calling them racists, thanks. I am sure this problem will fix itself.

LOL when you're done feeling smug feel free to organize a coalition of gaffers to go door to door and talk to random people about bigotry.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

And this tactic may give an in for that sort of comprehension. It's not about getting everyone to live in harmony over night, it's about cracking the armor and getting them to at least back the fuck off a bit. And yeah, it probably will be up to some white people to do this. They need to be confronted AND manipulated, and these people talk about this stuff a lot differently around other white people.

Hard to get them to back off when the President dogwhistles for them. Come on...

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Vox Research shows that you can reduce racism by talking to people rather them calling them racists.
GAF Nah. I'd rather just keep calling them racists, thanks. I am sure this problem will fix itself.

Who is this "GAF" guy?


Also, what if I told you that making people realise why their vote for Trump supports racism is a vital part of the discussion?

 

[ebullientprism]

LOL when you're done feeling smug feel free to organize a coalition of gaffers to go door to door and talk to random people about bigotry.

Half of your country voted for a racist. I am sure you dont have to go door to door to find people to talk to. You are pretty much guaranteed to be friends with some of them, work with some of them or related to some of them. If you cant even be bothered to talk to them and would rather just call them racists and shut them out then, your country is good and fucked.

 

[Darryl M R]

Vox Research shows that you can reduce racism by talking to people rather them calling them racists.
GAF Nah. I'd rather just keep calling them racists, thanks. I am sure this problem will fix itself.

You sweet summer child. It must be fun not go around and not reading.

Half of your country voted for a racist. I am sure you dont have to go door to door to find people to talk to. You are pretty much guaranteed to be friends with some of them, work with some of them or related to some of them. If you cant even be bothered to talk to them and would rather just call them racists and shut them out then, your country is good and fucked.

Ah even better. I love a smug poster that talks about another country's issue.

 

[Azih]

Another thing that's confusing me is the idea that this is the only thing that must be done.

It's one of the many things that need to be done. Entrenched problems require multiple avenues of attack.

 

[FadedRevolution]

Who is this "GAF" guy?


Also, what if I told you that making people realise why their vote for Trump supports racism is a vital part of the discussion?

You mean to tell me that grouping Mexicans as rapists wasn't a good enough hint?

 

[Polari]

It's good to BE right. And boy, I am. Some people's minds aren't worth changing and the only thing you can do is make them feel so much shame and feel so shitty about themselves that they change their behavior, not their thoughts. Fear of "doing wrong" is potent and in this case is going to be far more effective, because I don't believe for a minute that the kind of people who willfully voted an outwardly racist, bigoted, sexual predator into office are the kinds of people who can "change their minds" - only their behavior.

Trump is a racist and is appointing white supremacists to power. Stop denying it. It's reality.

It must be nice to be able to simply slur everyone you disagree with, and who doesn't share your world view. It makes things very simple - you're right, everyone else is wrong.

A radical idea - let's try and figure out why these people voted for Trump. If they have racist views, let's try and figure out why they hold those views. Once we understand, then we can begin to think about strategies to change their minds. That doesn't mean we shouldn't call out racism when we see it, but that alone isn't going to accomplish anything as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

(church.txt)

This encapsulates everything I'm feeling about this topic now.

If you're a Trump supporter, and want people to think you aren't racist for being one, then act like it. Don't just say your piece about economic anxiety and the rust belt (which is only even getting mass attention right now because of Trump's win) and then just ignore the very real concerns of minorities who know they're about to get rightly fucked over the next 4 years.

 

[Foggy]

Half of your country voted for a racist. I am sure you dont have to go door to door to find people to talk to. You are pretty much guaranteed to be friends with some of them, work with some of them or related to some of them. If you cant even be bothered to talk to them and would rather just call them racists and shut them out then, your country is good and fucked.

Would it shock you to find out that we don't run down the halls screaming "racist" at other people and that this problem wasn't perpetuated by interpersonal interaction? Would it shock you to find out that the findings of this study hold very little bearing on how people communicate in 2016?

 

[Crayon]

Another thing that's confusing me is the idea that this is the only thing that must be done.

It's one of the many things that need to be done. Entrenched problems require multiple avenues of attack.

There is a huge push going on to normalize this white supremacy right now.

 

[Nepenthe]

I think it's obvious that opening empathetic paths to other modes of thinking is more effective than shackling someone on a leash and dragging them down those same paths.

However, what I think what's being missed from the people advocating for these measures in this thread is that minorities actually don't care about opening everyone's hearts to them. Like, we literally don't give a fuck. What we do give a fuck about about getting what's owed to us, and that's not necessarily dependent upon the overwhelming majority of people agreeing or empathizing with you. We already know that the majority of people dislike us to some degree, whether it's subconsciously or blatantly, but that doesn't render us unable to function and work, and it hasn't stopped major legal systems that facilitated racism from being dismantled anyway.

White people who are more empathetic to various minority struggles are foremost responsible for having these conversations simply because they are strategically in the best place to do so. Minorities, meanwhile, will continue fighting the good fight in the streets and in the courthouse, and if we like some of you enough to try changing your minds, we will. But we can and will survive without your liking of us.

 

[Polari]

You mean to tell me that grouping Mexicans as rapists wasn't a good enough hint?

But maybe they see it as as a criticism of the Mexican government advising rapists and other criminals how to cross the border illegally, which is how Trump framed it.

 

[Darryl M R]

It must be nice to be able to simply slur everyone you disagree with, and who doesn't share your world view. It makes things very simple - you're right, everyone else is wrong.

A radical idea - let's try and figure out why these people voted for Trump. If they have racist views, let's try and figure out why they hold those views. Once we understand, then we can begin to think about strategies to change their minds. That doesn't mean we shouldn't call out racism when we see it, but that alone isn't going to accomplish anything as far as I'm concerned.

Because people that are at the legal age to vote need to be sat down and explained why racism is wrong.

And let's be very clear here. If you voted for Trump you voted for a racist that mobilized other racists. So that puts you in the stance where instead of your thoughts being"I hate minorities and gays" it's that you do not care about their lives.

So either you are a racist or you don't value the lives of others. Let the former starve and the latter group can come back in 4 years and tell us how their experience went.

 

[HiredN00bs]

It's good to BE right. And boy, I am. Some people's minds aren't worth changing and the only thing you can do is make them feel so much shame and feel so shitty about themselves that they change their behavior, not their thoughts. Fear of "doing wrong" is potent and in this case is going to be far more effective, because I don't believe for a minute that the kind of people who willfully voted an outwardly racist, bigoted, sexual predator into office are the kinds of people who can "change their minds" - only their behavior.

Trump is a racist and is appointing white supremacists to power. Stop denying it. It's reality.

It's good to BE right. And boy, I am. Some people's minds aren't worth changing and the only thing you can do is make them feel so shitty about themselves that they change their behavior, not their thoughts. Fear of "doing wrong" is potent and in this case, is going to be far more effective because I don't believe for a minute that the kind of people who wilfully purchase animal products despite the harm done to sentient animals to bring about those products are the kinds of people who can "change their minds" - only their behavior.

Just a different social justice subject to give your rhetoric a different angle to be viewed from. If you really think your methods are more effective, bring some evidence to back up your claims. My intuition is that your methods would simply change the speech people used if they respected political correctness. Many don't, and the ones that do still pulled the lever for Trump.

There are people who will challenge themselves to reexamine their beliefs when shamed and ostracized, but they have to be a minority. When I was shamed and ostracized for speaking against homosexuality on a message board 10 years ago, I didn't change my bigoted views, I just stopped freely expressing them. That may be a gain in social media, but it doesn't rock the vote, which is where the rubber meets the road.

 

[SeanTSC]

That's not gonna do shit to people who don't think Trump is a racist.

Sure it will, you just have to make them feel like they did a racist thing and that they were bad. You pound the point into their heads and call it out over and over. My dad didn't magically stop calling black people racial slurs because I only told him that he was being a racist piece of trash one time. It took many, many times until he finally felt bad enough about me looking down on him until he stopped his bullshit.

It wasn't until he personally felt the hurt that he was doing to others that he stopped his disgusting behavior.

America just took a gigantic shit on the face of every single non-white, straight, christian able-bodied male out there. People of Color, the LGBT community, women, the disabled, etc have all put up with their garbage and have felt bad just about being alive for far too long. I'm not going to let these people make me feel like that anymore and I'm going to give their crap right back to them. We've tried to reason with them for too long, we've tried to explain things civilly for too long, and we've coddled them for too long.

It's time that they felt like the terrible people they are for what they've done.

This isn't a new problem. We didn't ONLY just now try to stop what they've been doing. People have been trying to stop this for decades and even centuries. Let's not act like "well, now's the time to reason with them, let's talk this out!" - we've been DOING that. It didn't work.

 

[call_kotaku]

It must be nice to be able to simply slur everyone you disagree with, and who doesn't share your world view. It makes things very simple - you're right, everyone else is wrong.

A radical idea - let's try and figure out why these people voted for Trump. If they have racist views, let's try and figure out why they hold those views. Once we understand, then we can begin to think about strategies to change their minds. That doesn't mean we shouldn't call out racism when we see it, but that alone isn't going to accomplish anything as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah why haven't people tried that before

Like, white people throwing around these sorts of accusations never considered that "nobody ever tried to talk to me nicely about racism" actually means "I never listened to people talking to me about racism til they stopped explaining it nicely".

 

[NandoGip]

The entire planet (other countries that are not the U.S.A.) all understand that the U.S. is a racist country and always has been. Pretending it's not and coddling the racists is NOT the solution.

But it doesn't matter what I say. We live in Trump's America now.

 

[ersocaster]

I fail to see the jump in logic here. So because it worked for one group does not mean it works for another.

Anecdotal evidence, sure, but the majority of the people I've met who are against transgender people do so out of fear and a lack of understanding. They think people are choosing to feel the way they do.

Racist people I've met feel that way out of angst and anger. They blame other races for their problems. They feel entitled, like they would have a better life if other races weren't bringing them down. It is more ingrained in their thought process. I don't think you can cure that with conversation and empathy.