Because if I was town and they wanted me alive as a distraction they'd need to push another town and fat would've been an easier choice over starting a kalor train?
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Rick & Morty [Mafia] |OT| Someone's been spending too much time around glowing rocks
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Because if I was town and they wanted me alive as a distraction they'd need to push another town and fat would've been an easier choice over starting a kalor train?
Where is all this hate, I already explained my kalor vote a few pages back. As for why I'm on fat now is because that sudden shift in vote the end of d2
That was Bronx and Ouro and they pointed out how my logic was flawed and I accepted that.
(I was on Bronx for pre-voting Ouro then Ouro voting Bronx on Day 1)
What if scum zeusy was just looking for a safe place to put his vote and the avalanche of votes afterward were just townies who didn't didn't think lynching zeemumu or fat was the right play. Kalor had left very little impression so was an easy vote.
The sudden shift in vote, or my sudden shift in vote, specifically?
I'm...not entirely sure what you're saying here, but let me try
Chronologically, there were two votes on Fat before Kalor had any. Then 2 on Kalor, then 2 more on Fat. That's about when that train petered out, with only 4 votes total on Fat. Kalor then got 3 more votes, surpassing Fat, which is when I switched back to zee, since I wasn't keen on a Kalor lynch, and I tied the vote 5-5. Then Fat switches to Kalor, Bronx goes for zee (6-6), then Swamped puts in the final vote for Kalor.
Fat definitely could have been easier, but that's assuming he's town. If it was easier but that train didn't happen, then he must be.........
Zeusy was only the second vote on Kalor, after Nomad. Either he's the laziest scum ever and sheeped Nomad of all people, or he got there through some sort of logic (not that I agree with his thoughts or whatever).
I'm saying that instead of putting votes on kalor, they could've piled on fat and less people would've questioned it.
I mean I don't assume that all of scum voted kalor. I'm sure there's scum on both fat and zee as well
fatdog, what do you say if I suspect you're the key to unlocking D2 end of day shenanigans? Would you think me mad?
YES WHY
That depends on what you think I did that caused it.
Why rock the boat though. If zeemumu is town then all scum had to is get a vote down without raising suspicion. It isn't like he gave any reasons for voting for Kalor either. It is a very defensible and almost sensible vote for scum to make.
Why are you talking about me like you're not talking TO me?
Can't let this go by without comment the 4th fat vote (you) and the 3rd kalor vote (sorian) are the same time stamp and back to back posts. It's disingenuous to posit that fat ever had a significant vote lead over kalor heading into the final 30 minutes (which is all that really matters everyone agrees). I went through this is a response to GP
The Wizard
Member
I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Worm reads outside of Fat
Ah ok. I was just looking at the vote count, I didn't check timestamps. Fair enough.
I mean surely after your vote the train started... Pretty scummy move imo
I don't know enough about work outside of the fact that he likes to play the drums
Just makes it easier for me to follow later if I have to go back and read things. Pronouns require me to read more
I was the next to last vote on Kalor, thats not the start of a train.
You hadn't even sniffed at Kalor before that vote. And you did the exact same thing with your Sorian vote on day 1. The way you have voted in the past two days should be enough to get you lynched.
My d1 vote didn't even matter, I literally just casted one...
Are you going to keep your vote on me even though your reasoning for that vote is flawed?
That is certainly a strong rebuttal...
Help me lynch this fool Fatdog.
Im certainly considering it.
Yes, you're just trying to get the attention off ya.
Attention has been on me all day already, along with Zee. Its more than reasonable to consider other options outside of what might be obvious votes for Town.
You made a vote on me under seeming false reasonings, and as soon as I point that out you change your reasoning.
Are you worried of having attention put on yourself?
Nah.
But you voted for Kalor...
Faddys play has been, like, the exact opposite of coasting. Theyve been very active and inquisitive nearly the whole game.
The Wizard
Member
Difficult to get much out of Zeusy right now, kinda thinking a jester role but those who've played with him previously might know if his play is atypical?
AbsolutBro
Member
Swamped has had to drop from the game. I am seeking a replacement.
Oh that sucks, but does explain his silence
Also so I don't forget or have some last minute dramatics
Vote: zeemumu
I think I missed Wizard when I did my reads recently. His posts are... interesting. I haven't actually decided what that means yet.
I think this is Zeusy's second game, and yes this is about what I remember of him from the first. Little explanation for his reads and attacks anyone that suspects him.
😚😚😚
Why do you think peeps went from a choice between zeusy and you to kalor?
Zeemumu and fat. Not zeusy yesterday. Let's try to not muddy the waters
* Zee and me.
And I think the vote shuffle happened because eneough people werent convinced that either of us were scum, and wanted to take a chance on a third option.
How that came to fruition exactly I cant say, but I was in the same camp with my vote.
Ok, here is a quick look at the game and the day ends.
So far its been a very lazy game, with most players coasting and posting early votes and sticking to them while giving flimsy excuses, so the usual. Is good we don't have a turbo speaker because that always makes reading this a huge pain in the ass.
Day 1 End:
Present Players:
Dusk
fat
ty
ouro
sorian
splint
faddy
kalor
Notice how there was very little amount of prodding and switching around votes to put pressure on players. Of course, a town player always wants to be helpful and try to share to keep himself out of trouble, and scum players who want to seem helpful also do this, but isn't it weird how there was almost no moving around on the votes?
Also, I find this very interesting:
So where did this came from? There was no risk of tie at that moment, and as Kalor pointed out:
TE=Kalor;249886551]If you didn't want any ties you'd vote for Zipped.[/QUOTE]
Could it be that Dusk knew burb was town, so he changed his vote to avoid suspicions when discussing why players voted zip? There really was no risk in the moments he posted that. Or maybe he just lost count.
At the start of the day, we have another gem from Kalor:
Then Faddy jumps at the opportunity to defend him
Wait, what? Who does that? Who goes out of the way to defend another player in mafia?
The Zeemumu give us this 1-2
One immediately after the other, he list the 3 players as possible scum victims who had been trying to play the most and immediately corrects himself. WHAT A SAVE! WHAT A SAVE! Was he afraid of making powerful enemies? I mean, nothing wrong with trying to guess the mafia's next move, but it makes you wonder why kalor was lynched that day anyway.
And then he lists him for people to discuss to vote out... and by the end of the day, zeemu don't even help in the lynching of kalor. Hmm
But you know who didn't help either? Dusk Soldier.
By now I think I should focus on my case against Dusk.
And, well, Dusk had a vote on Dr. Worm by the end of the day. A vote he again doesn't justify.
As a side note, this reads scummy as fuck
Moving on
Kalor kept the heat on Zeemumu
At this point Zeemy was at 4 votes, then Ouro removes his vote on zeemy for... no reason? votes penguin, then penguin response, and ouro removes his vote. Sorian says the vote change of Ouro was a joke, but it ultimately took pressure off zeemy, there was not even time for yeeny to post a vote count. Penguin voted zeemy out of selfpreservation, so it was stil at 4.
It was here when the Kalor train began:
QUOTE=Giant Panda;250456964]My preferred choice of acohrs is out, but Kalor and Fat4all are both good choices too. Better than zee at any rate. I think I slightly prefer Kalor.
Vote: Kalor[/QUOTE]
At this point, we have a 5-5 tie, Fat seems to be safe. I don't like how he says he would vote for someone instead of actually doing it.
Aaaand he then votes Kalor.
What happened with Zeemumu? Why say something and do something else?
Bronx ties things up.
And Swamped gives the final blow.
Gee, thanks Wizard, maybe actually put a vote instead of your hot takes?
Oh! And Zeemu did try to vote Kalor at the last second, but missed the deadline.
So far its been a very lazy game, with most players coasting and posting early votes and sticking to them while giving flimsy excuses, so the usual. Is good we don't have a turbo speaker because that always makes reading this a huge pain in the ass.
Day 1 End:
Present Players:
Dusk
fat
ty
ouro
sorian
splint
faddy
kalor
Notice how there was very little amount of prodding and switching around votes to put pressure on players. Of course, a town player always wants to be helpful and try to share to keep himself out of trouble, and scum players who want to seem helpful also do this, but isn't it weird how there was almost no moving around on the votes?
Also, I find this very interesting:
So where did this came from? There was no risk of tie at that moment, and as Kalor pointed out:
TE=Kalor;249886551]If you didn't want any ties you'd vote for Zipped.[/QUOTE]
Could it be that Dusk knew burb was town, so he changed his vote to avoid suspicions when discussing why players voted zip? There really was no risk in the moments he posted that. Or maybe he just lost count.
At the start of the day, we have another gem from Kalor:
Then Faddy jumps at the opportunity to defend him
Wait, what? Who does that? Who goes out of the way to defend another player in mafia?
The Zeemumu give us this 1-2
One immediately after the other, he list the 3 players as possible scum victims who had been trying to play the most and immediately corrects himself. WHAT A SAVE! WHAT A SAVE! Was he afraid of making powerful enemies? I mean, nothing wrong with trying to guess the mafia's next move, but it makes you wonder why kalor was lynched that day anyway.
And then he lists him for people to discuss to vote out... and by the end of the day, zeemu don't even help in the lynching of kalor. Hmm
But you know who didn't help either? Dusk Soldier.
By now I think I should focus on my case against Dusk.
And, well, Dusk had a vote on Dr. Worm by the end of the day. A vote he again doesn't justify.
As a side note, this reads scummy as fuck
Moving on
Kalor kept the heat on Zeemumu
At this point Zeemy was at 4 votes, then Ouro removes his vote on zeemy for... no reason? votes penguin, then penguin response, and ouro removes his vote. Sorian says the vote change of Ouro was a joke, but it ultimately took pressure off zeemy, there was not even time for yeeny to post a vote count. Penguin voted zeemy out of selfpreservation, so it was stil at 4.
It was here when the Kalor train began:
Day 2 votes
dusk soldier (0)
kalor 599(680)
bronx-man 653(908)
bronx-man (0)
dusk soldier 619(801)
penguin 892(913)
zeusy (1)
acohrs 636(759)
fat4all 700
acohrs (2)
faddy 663
giant panda 864
bronx man (0)
penguin 670(737)
zeemumu (4)
ourobolus 675(910)
ccs 837
kawl_usc 855
kalor 894
penguin 913
ouro (0)
nomadic sparks 678(741)
nomadic sparks (0)
giant panda 682(864)
swamped (1)
nomadic sparks 756(932)
sorian 879
dr. worm (1)
dusk soldier 801
ourobolus (1)
swamped 838
fat4all (2)
the wizard 872
dr. worm 906
penguin (0)
bronx-man 908(918)
ourobolus 910(914)
kalor (1)
nomadic sparks 932
QUOTE=Giant Panda;250456964]My preferred choice of acohrs is out, but Kalor and Fat4all are both good choices too. Better than zee at any rate. I think I slightly prefer Kalor.
Vote: Kalor[/QUOTE]
At this point, we have a 5-5 tie, Fat seems to be safe. I don't like how he says he would vote for someone instead of actually doing it.
Aaaand he then votes Kalor.
What happened with Zeemumu? Why say something and do something else?
Bronx ties things up.
And Swamped gives the final blow.
Gee, thanks Wizard, maybe actually put a vote instead of your hot takes?
Oh! And Zeemu did try to vote Kalor at the last second, but missed the deadline.
The day ended like this:
Now I know what you are thinking. "Seems like bandwagon to me". Is it tho? If you look at the sequence, you start noticing weird stuff.
Of this list
Nomadic Sparks 932
Zeusy 934
Sorian 947
Faddy 953
Giant Panda 956
Fat4all 961
Swamped 965
Zeemumu -late
All of the votes came late. All of them. Kalor was always in mind in the discussion, but who started the talks on him was Zeemu (due to the ty read list), so for starters it seems weird he didn't try to vote him until the last second, not even on a bandwaggon.
Second, Dusk did nooothing to try and get Kalor. Nothing at all, Kalor gave a early vote for him and Dusk pretty much ignored it and move on. But did he? Could it be he had his scum teammates take care of the dirty work by diverting attention from himself? If he had gotten flustered, he would have dominated the talks.
Then Nomadic and Zeuzy started the bandwaggon with no rime and reason, it just happened. His posts don't explain shit, sure, they talked about kalor before but they came immediately after a vote count that put zeemu at risk, why then? why care?
Sorian is the only early vote I can believe, since he seemed genuine in his reasoning. As for the other votes, I mentioned how I really disliked Fats vote favoring Kalor instead of Zeemu after he clearly stated voting him if he could, the change to kalor seems based poorly on him knowing something we don't.
Panda, Faddy and Swamped I honestly could go either way, Panda reads townie to me and Faddy I don't have an opinion on, Swamped is in a weird position so I still can't say.
So, in conclusion, I think if I had to vote someone, it'll be Zeemumu, Dusk Soldier, Fat4All, Nomadic Sparks and Zeuzy, in that order.
Vote: zeemumu
Now I know what you are thinking. "Seems like bandwagon to me". Is it tho? If you look at the sequence, you start noticing weird stuff.
Of this list
Nomadic Sparks 932
Zeusy 934
Sorian 947
Faddy 953
Giant Panda 956
Fat4all 961
Swamped 965
Zeemumu -late
All of the votes came late. All of them. Kalor was always in mind in the discussion, but who started the talks on him was Zeemu (due to the ty read list), so for starters it seems weird he didn't try to vote him until the last second, not even on a bandwaggon.
Second, Dusk did nooothing to try and get Kalor. Nothing at all, Kalor gave a early vote for him and Dusk pretty much ignored it and move on. But did he? Could it be he had his scum teammates take care of the dirty work by diverting attention from himself? If he had gotten flustered, he would have dominated the talks.
Then Nomadic and Zeuzy started the bandwaggon with no rime and reason, it just happened. His posts don't explain shit, sure, they talked about kalor before but they came immediately after a vote count that put zeemu at risk, why then? why care?
Sorian is the only early vote I can believe, since he seemed genuine in his reasoning. As for the other votes, I mentioned how I really disliked Fats vote favoring Kalor instead of Zeemu after he clearly stated voting him if he could, the change to kalor seems based poorly on him knowing something we don't.
Panda, Faddy and Swamped I honestly could go either way, Panda reads townie to me and Faddy I don't have an opinion on, Swamped is in a weird position so I still can't say.
So, in conclusion, I think if I had to vote someone, it'll be Zeemumu, Dusk Soldier, Fat4All, Nomadic Sparks and Zeuzy, in that order.
Vote: zeemumu
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