NonPhixion
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Xbox's sole existence was to chase the PlayStation.
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PlayStation are chasing Xbox, when they should be chasing Nintendo.
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I think that what both MS and Sony are chasing are services that improve user retention. The reason why they're looking in Netflix's yard is because all these companies are fighting for our time/attentions as much as our money. Consoles are a good foot through the door to get their services into our homes but there are so many more other avenues besides consoles such as PCs, phones, etc. MS has been trying to do this with the Game Pass, it makes sense for Sony to try and see if they can offer something similar on PC and beyond. Nintendo is way behind the curve when it comes to this aspect. It's untapped market potential. Anyway, that's my two cents 
gunslikewhoa
Member
Definitely. Just look at the poor sales and reviews of all of those awful games. What are they thinking?
Bryank75
Banned
7 games if you include Splatoon which is at 9.7 million or something like that...
REE Machine
Banned
Tech not over ten and sony COULD have 7 over ten million if GOT performs well which im sure it will. So personally i think sony is doing great and are in good competition for both
Bryank75
Banned
Absolutely, that's why I want Sony to stay closer to the Nintendo model of business than MS.
REE Machine
Banned
Yep, focus on great quality AAA games and fuck services.
soulbait
Member
Why are you so upset that a game could be played on a different platform? Why does that even matter to you?
Why do you care the PC gamers are taking a jab at PS fans? They only do it due to the ridiculous complaints from PS fans over some games going to PC.
I simply do not understand what the heck you are whining about. I am a Xbox first gamer (I prefer Xbox, but still have and own all other systems). I hear people all the time go on and on about Xbox will not longer have exclusives due to first-party games going to PC. So? Why would I care? I feel many of their arguments are invalid due to the games being only available on the Xbox console, and most gamers (not the types like us who are on forums talking/reading about our passion daily) I know do not have a gaming PC or a PC capable at matching what an Xbox One can produce. They are happy with the Xbox or PS and don't worry about PC. For them, the games are indeed exclusive because they won't invest in another platform. But for the people who go on and on about Xbox games being on PC so there are no more exclusives? I don't care. Good for them for having that perspective. It does not change how much I enjoy a game on Xbox, or any other platform I play on, because someone on the internet made a statement or the company decides to publish the game on another platform. IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR ME.
You come across like Sony owes you something for being so dedicated to them. They don't. They are a corporation whose sole purpose is to generate revenue for its shareholders. If their strategy does not prevent you from generating revenue for them, then they are not doing anything incorrectly in their eyes.
Why do you care the PC gamers are taking a jab at PS fans? They only do it due to the ridiculous complaints from PS fans over some games going to PC.
I simply do not understand what the heck you are whining about. I am a Xbox first gamer (I prefer Xbox, but still have and own all other systems). I hear people all the time go on and on about Xbox will not longer have exclusives due to first-party games going to PC. So? Why would I care? I feel many of their arguments are invalid due to the games being only available on the Xbox console, and most gamers (not the types like us who are on forums talking/reading about our passion daily) I know do not have a gaming PC or a PC capable at matching what an Xbox One can produce. They are happy with the Xbox or PS and don't worry about PC. For them, the games are indeed exclusive because they won't invest in another platform. But for the people who go on and on about Xbox games being on PC so there are no more exclusives? I don't care. Good for them for having that perspective. It does not change how much I enjoy a game on Xbox, or any other platform I play on, because someone on the internet made a statement or the company decides to publish the game on another platform. IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR ME.
You come across like Sony owes you something for being so dedicated to them. They don't. They are a corporation whose sole purpose is to generate revenue for its shareholders. If their strategy does not prevent you from generating revenue for them, then they are not doing anything incorrectly in their eyes.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Nintendo cannot be chased. Nobody can succeed by doing what they do.
They also have oldest, most iconic ips so that helps.
They also have oldest, most iconic ips so that helps.
Dodkrake
Banned
So they won by selling less. Gotcha.
SupremeHoodie
Member
Yup, they dominated the markets that mattered.
Dodkrake
Banned
Did they? They sold less in Europe, less in Asia, and more in North america.
So either the north america is the only market that matters or you are full of crap.
Edit: changed us to North America and removed the 3M number because I saw conflicting reports.
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DrAspirino
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One thing are sales and another are profits. Xbox brand is profiting more, even though they've "won" only one generation (x360). Sony wants (and needs) profits, whatever it takes. Nintendo, on the other hand, keeps doing what it does best: being unique. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, and sometimes they break even, but they always innovate.
Anyway, all I'm saying is "to each its own": Microsoft's strategy is working for them, and Nintendo's strategy works too. Sony's strategy is working as well, but it seems that Jim "Goonie" Ryan think that current profits are not enough.
For the Netflix of gaming issue they should just create a mmo like game that pretty much is like fortnite/gta like game that has worlds that covers all genre that you can jump in and play around in at anytime. I kind of agree with OP but I can see why Sony is going the route they are it is a quick buck to port them to pc after a couple of years on ps. I'd prefer that they instead expand these worlds into comics, artbooks, cartoons, anime, and movies in order to grow the fandom in order to make sequels to these games. That has been Sony's biggest weakness cross promotion of their Ip and properties. I know they have comics come out every once in awhile but push it in their state of play and E3s as well. Combine the fandoms in order to strengthen the Sony brand.
edit: I honestly think all of the major publishers as well as Nintendo and Microsoft should be doing this as well as make great games. I really thought those Pikmin shorts were going to turn in to some Nintendo tv/movie division and have really enjoyed the halo cartoons and live action movies
edit: I honestly think all of the major publishers as well as Nintendo and Microsoft should be doing this as well as make great games. I really thought those Pikmin shorts were going to turn in to some Nintendo tv/movie division and have really enjoyed the halo cartoons and live action movies
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Vognerful
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Last year, Xbox generated more revenue per console than Sony did per ps4. If we know that most Xbox sales are in USA, then it makes since that is the most important market.
Bryank75
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I just stated how I feel about things... if the platforms feels less enticing or exciting and I bring my business elsewhere, that certainly will effect them. I have nearly 300 games on the platform, that is the equivalent of nearly 30 average gamers and I am sure there are others who feel similarly.
I also own films and pay a couple of subscriptions on the platform. If my voice doesn't matter to them, then no-one's does. Customer feedback is a thing and I should not have to be chastised for voicing my opinion on their products and services etc.
I find it funny that the term 'consumer friendly' is bandied about like nobodys business regarding play anywhere and backwards compatibility, yet my feedback as a consumer / customer is rubbished by people.
Or is it all just to fit an agenda? Cause Xbox stands to gain the most by PS exclusives going to other platforms.....
DrAspirino
Banned
Yet services are the money-making machine.
Look at Office 365, at Netflix, at Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Cloudflare...they literally make Billions a year on their services. You think Jim Ryan would be immune to the temptation of tapping the digital services market to take a slice of it? hahaha....
Knitted Knight
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I don't think Sony is chasing Xbox per say but Sony does let Microsoft do what it's too afraid to do itself - hence PS Plus, after Xbox Live, and now tip toeing on exclusivity (after MS does it), going against the grain of console business fundamentals. Nintendo has been very smart in this regard. If there is any company that could launch the next Netflix of gaming it would be Nintendo since they have a hold on the casuals - the perfect demographic for it but it's a risky, and not necessarily profitable proposition. I remember when there was extreme pressure on them to go third-party and mobile and devalue their IP's. Thank god they held out.
The small vocal and tiny minority of PC gamers who port beg are looking for their own best interests - you can only survive on generic third-party multiplats for soo long - they thirsty for quality games that push graphics to the next level so they can finally show off their rigs... and Sony has been pumping multiple Game of the Year gems each gen so it ticks 2 boxes. They don't want to buy a console but will beg for a port and flash a dollar sign at Sony execs faces.... (their achilles heel)... without seriously investing in the brand like loyal PS owners who buy their consoles.
If Sony goes day and date on exclusives on PC as well (like MS), I'm gone... fuck PS Plus.
Sony is greedy, and their execs can be at times dumb and extremely incompetent.... and looking at other sections of their company as whole, besides insurance tells us that has been the case for a long time.
The small vocal and tiny minority of PC gamers who port beg are looking for their own best interests - you can only survive on generic third-party multiplats for soo long - they thirsty for quality games that push graphics to the next level so they can finally show off their rigs... and Sony has been pumping multiple Game of the Year gems each gen so it ticks 2 boxes. They don't want to buy a console but will beg for a port and flash a dollar sign at Sony execs faces.... (their achilles heel)... without seriously investing in the brand like loyal PS owners who buy their consoles.
If Sony goes day and date on exclusives on PC as well (like MS), I'm gone... fuck PS Plus.
Sony is greedy, and their execs can be at times dumb and extremely incompetent.... and looking at other sections of their company as whole, besides insurance tells us that has been the case for a long time.
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Lionel Richie
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OP you really could have worded this sentiment without mentioning Nintendo that blatantly, people are not even reading what you said and the discussion never had a chance to not get derailed.
REE Machine
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Yea but so far for MS services diminished their quality of games and i dont trust it along with their push towards GAAS as well.Yet services are the money-making machine.
Look at Office 365, at Netflix, at Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Cloudflare...they literally make Billions a year on their services. You think Jim Ryan would be immune to the temptation of tapping the digital services market to take a slice of it? hahaha....
Xbox is saying the loud part quiet and the quite part loud on services
While sony is saying the quite part loud and the loud part quiet, they have their services but arent touting it like MS, its just there and their quality of games havent taken a dive
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trapanesenyc
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I think its because while Playstation is a huge brand Sony constantly finds themselves in economic trouble. Xbox seems to be going for the infinite money pile that Microsoft found with windows by going for anything with a screen and Sony sees that same money pile and wants it too. But the playstation brand is associated so closely with home consoles they have to do it in a way that doesn't upset their fanbase. Their fans are upset that Bloodborne that live out its sales potential on th PS4 might be going to PC. 50% of MS fan base left so they can take more risk cause whats the worse that can happen? Plus Sony is literally tied to the success and failure of playstation. If it fails the company can legit go under. MS doesnt have that same risk.
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Fitzchiv
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I know what you meant. Market leaders are constantly chipped away at by disruptive competition with little to lose and lots to gain by trying new ideas to differentiate. Many market leader adopt a "me too" or "fast follow" product development strategy to deal with it, killing the smaller outfits with cost efficiency and better distribution.
The ones who fail to do it, die. Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung -all got examples of it. Nothing wrong with it either, it's a tried and trusted model of retaining share. Many operate a 80/20 ratio of incremental NPD (which includes me too or fast follow processes) in the 80, along with small improvements to existing products (think iPhone iterations quietly incorporating features from Samsung and visa-versa) and the cooler, radical NPD in the 20.
Not being snarky, just highlighting that it's a very successful approach.
ColonialRaptor
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I don’t think most gamers who can manage using a PC for gaming realise how little the average joe enjoys playing game’s on PC.
All that stuffing around is just no fun and if you’re not computer literate in the slightest then you’re going to run into trouble and eventually give up.
This stuff affects the internet of fans but the real world - not so much.
I’d be interested to read about world wide graphics card numbers compared to consoles over similar time periods. But I think thIs kind of apples to apples comparison is difficult,
Edit: I just had a look at graphics card sales and they look to be quite high each year so maybe there are a lot more pc gamers out there than I suspected.
All that stuffing around is just no fun and if you’re not computer literate in the slightest then you’re going to run into trouble and eventually give up.
This stuff affects the internet of fans but the real world - not so much.
I’d be interested to read about world wide graphics card numbers compared to consoles over similar time periods. But I think thIs kind of apples to apples comparison is difficult,
Edit: I just had a look at graphics card sales and they look to be quite high each year so maybe there are a lot more pc gamers out there than I suspected.
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Ascend
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There's no universal chasing of one to the other. They are competing with each other at different fronts, and each has their advantage and disadvantages.
Xbox is chasing Playstation in;
Brand recognition
Fan base
Exclusives
Asian market
Playstation is chasing Xbox in;
Online services
Subscription services
Backwards compatibility
PC integration
A few additional notes...
With the X360, the PS3 lost quite a bit of multiplatform support. The PS3 was basically being treated as second class for multiplats. This was fixed with the PS4.
After the Kinect blunder for Xbox, they seem to have ZERO interest in VR. Playstation is clearly ahead here, but this can't be considered chasing, since Xbox is obviously not interested.
Xbox is chasing Playstation in;
Brand recognition
Fan base
Exclusives
Asian market
Playstation is chasing Xbox in;
Online services
Subscription services
Backwards compatibility
PC integration
A few additional notes...
With the X360, the PS3 lost quite a bit of multiplatform support. The PS3 was basically being treated as second class for multiplats. This was fixed with the PS4.
After the Kinect blunder for Xbox, they seem to have ZERO interest in VR. Playstation is clearly ahead here, but this can't be considered chasing, since Xbox is obviously not interested.
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StormCell
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I see so many in disagreement that Sony chases Microsoft, but I wonder what kind of hardware would be in Playstation right now if Microsoft never entered the market. I think we can already safely conclude that, were it not for Xbox, the PS5 would be less than 10 TF. We will never know how much less, though, if Xbox wasn't around at all.
You know, don't think of it as chasing, really. You'd expect Sony to show up to the fight for their biggest markets.
You know, don't think of it as chasing, really. You'd expect Sony to show up to the fight for their biggest markets.
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Dodkrake
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lol.
LazyParrot
Member
I agree, PC ports will kill Playstation. If people in 2015 had known that Horizon and possibly Bloodborne would get PC releases in 2020 those games wouldn't have sold a single copy on PS4.
As long as it's not an online multiplayer shooter I don't care if exclusives go to PC.
Starlight Lotice
Member
But Sony did chase Nintendo once...when the Wii took off and they half heartedly released PS Move before it became an accessory for VR.
I would say that all companies chase each other for different things. Sony's "All Ages" output will never outdo Nintendo's output and Microsoft wish they could have the Third Party Japanese support that Sony crave, and likewise Sony also want some of Microsoft's success in the Online Infrastructure.
Each Company has a strength and weakness, they usually try and copy the other to gain more access to different demographics but it never works.
I don't think anyone should care who Sony/MS/Nintendo are chasing because you buy a console because it appeals to you the most...or buy all 3.
I would say that all companies chase each other for different things. Sony's "All Ages" output will never outdo Nintendo's output and Microsoft wish they could have the Third Party Japanese support that Sony crave, and likewise Sony also want some of Microsoft's success in the Online Infrastructure.
Each Company has a strength and weakness, they usually try and copy the other to gain more access to different demographics but it never works.
I don't think anyone should care who Sony/MS/Nintendo are chasing because you buy a console because it appeals to you the most...or buy all 3.
Craig of War
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Not a single copy sold lol
Craig of War
Banned
I don't think Sony should be chasing anyone they are fine where they are now as the lead platform for console gaming
martino
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third party publisher approved ! /s
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Vawn
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Minor differences between Xbox and PlayStation, but no console brands have ever been more similar than PlayStation and Xbox.
Xbox has been trying to duplicate PlayStation since coming into existence after seeing Sony's dominance with the original PS1. Before that, consoles have all been pretty different.
Hopefully, Xbox can pave it's own identity as we go along, but honestly twenty years on, it still feels like they just want to be PlayStation.
Aion002
Member
First of all:
Streaming games is something that Sony started on consoles, after they bought Gaikai. MS is the one that is "chasing". I am not saying that the PS now is the best thing ever.... Just saying that they did it first on the console space.
Fifa and Call of Duty are everywhere, still they sell a shit ton on PS, many people buy a PS4 to play Fortnite, a game that is available even on mobiles... Also, the hardcore gamers like me and you, won't wait 2 or 3 years to play a game like Horizon.
This is just video game wars.... You shouldn't taken them seriously.
They are not communicating because they want to sell PS4 consoles and TLU2 and GoT, after that, get ready for a PS5 galore of marketing.
What's a better way to protect an IP than bringing the said IP to more people? Imagine a PC player, playing for the first time Horizon and enjoying it.... Then, Horizon 2 is announced for the PS5. Sure... He can wait a couple of years for the possibility of the game to come out on PC.... or, as most people would do, that player, surely, will be interested on the PS5.
What Sony is trying to do is different from MS and Nintendo.
MS wants to become a services provider, Sony is teasing some IP's on PC and with the PS Now to bring more players to the PS5, while holding the sales of the PS4. While Nintendo.... Is being Nintendo.
If this Sony strategy fails, they will change it, but if it works.... well... it works.
Streaming games is something that Sony started on consoles, after they bought Gaikai. MS is the one that is "chasing". I am not saying that the PS now is the best thing ever.... Just saying that they did it first on the console space.
Fifa and Call of Duty are everywhere, still they sell a shit ton on PS, many people buy a PS4 to play Fortnite, a game that is available even on mobiles... Also, the hardcore gamers like me and you, won't wait 2 or 3 years to play a game like Horizon.
This is just video game wars.... You shouldn't taken them seriously.
They are not communicating because they want to sell PS4 consoles and TLU2 and GoT, after that, get ready for a PS5 galore of marketing.
What's a better way to protect an IP than bringing the said IP to more people? Imagine a PC player, playing for the first time Horizon and enjoying it.... Then, Horizon 2 is announced for the PS5. Sure... He can wait a couple of years for the possibility of the game to come out on PC.... or, as most people would do, that player, surely, will be interested on the PS5.
What Sony is trying to do is different from MS and Nintendo.
MS wants to become a services provider, Sony is teasing some IP's on PC and with the PS Now to bring more players to the PS5, while holding the sales of the PS4. While Nintendo.... Is being Nintendo.
If this Sony strategy fails, they will change it, but if it works.... well... it works.
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Zato
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They arent chasing anyone, they are the market leader and the single biggest seller of home consoles in the history of the business. Xbox have been chasing Sony from the off and it took Sony's worst start to a home console for Xbox to have a good generation and PS still came all the way back in that one.
The games coming to PC are atleast a year later than the console release .... console sale will have been maximised at that stage without significant sales, they can release on PC over 12 months later and charge full price. Its a smart move and in no way the same as day and date launches of Xbox exclusives on PC.
You are entitled to your opinion but this is about business and increasing revenues on investment to the maximum potential, PS games will be only playable to consoles first and it will be 18 months plus before appearing elsewhere.
Nintendo are a niche because of their restrictive, backwards and old school approaches.
pixelation
Member
I don't think you're right... but they should flat out state that no Sony 1st party games will be appearing on PC before an "X" time window has passed (is it one or two years?, expect for The Show).
JerryinSoCal
Member
Sony isn't chasing anyone lol
BadBurger
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Sony isn't "chasing" anyone, they're merely exploring future options while not being terribly vocal about it. Not a big deal, they'll be fine. Microsoft is obviously leaning heavily into cross platform and cloud, and that's because they can do so easily (own Windows, own Xbox, has Azure infrastructure and expertise).
SupremeHoodie
Member
Basically. They dominated in America, Canada, and UK. No point in caring about markets that would buy a bag of manure as long as it has Sony branding on it. Same thing this upcoming gen. As long as they win America Microsoft will be happy. They’re not stupid. Trying to win Asia is a losing battle (same in certain european countries, like Italy, Germany, etc).
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Nintendo? Small fish compared to Sony and MS most of all. You are talking about the company that had to merge their 2 console offerings to end up with a souped up 3Ds with an HDMI output.
You don't want to chase that. Besides Sony relies on third party a lot, their IPs are not as iconic as Nintendos. Now that I think of it, they used to chase Nintendo quite a lot (Controller - Dual Shock - PS Move, PS Battle Royale, and more)
You don't want to chase that. Besides Sony relies on third party a lot, their IPs are not as iconic as Nintendos. Now that I think of it, they used to chase Nintendo quite a lot (Controller - Dual Shock - PS Move, PS Battle Royale, and more)
ParanoidAndroidz
Member
No one actually cares about Nintendo except Nintendo fans, it's like a Forza vs gt thread when some Nintendo fan chimes in with try Mario cart.
Then you have the pc master race coming in with there super high frames and resulotions only to be cock blocked by some anti piracy software, or shitty patches cause consoles get the main focus because they make more fucking money.
Basicly if you are a Nintendo fan or part of the pc community your not included in the console war, we don't care enjoy your lack of ports and enjoy your shitty broken patches.
Neff
Member
Games with high fidelity visuals simply cost too much to make now to release on one platform, even for first parties. They need to see that money come back, and are seemingly willing to bite the bullet and release on a non-rival platform, which they apparently see PC as.
Nintendo is exempt because they spend low and earn big. They get the best of both worlds.
Nintendo is exempt because they spend low and earn big. They get the best of both worlds.
soulbait
Member
They already have your money. What does your back catalog have anything to do with them offering games on other services to make more money?
Who is chastising you? If you are referring to comments from PC gamers then: 1) you have your own PS fan base to blame for that, due to their overreactions and 2) grow some thicker skin. You are on a public message forum, people will make fun of your opinions on it. Unless they are attacking your character and who you are, what does it matter? It is an opinion about VIDEO GAMES. Sony is not responsible for how others reply to you due to your opinions on what Sony is doing as a company. Sony is not causing you to be chastised.
People are coming against you, because they don't agree with your stance. You are coming across as if Sony selling their games onto more platforms somehow hurts you personally. As if you have something at stake about where their games are sold. Why should it matter to you? As long as:
- You like the console and its features
- You enjoy the games on the console
- You can afford to purchase the games and console of your choice
You said the value seems lessen to you. So and why? Why is the value lessened to you? Because you no longer have a bullet point of a game to prove your purchase of your favorite console is justified? Like what exactly is at stake here for you? What exactly changes for you besides argument points on which console is the best to own due to the game now on PC or in MLB's case, on other consoles?
Sony is going to go where the money is, because they are a business. They are not going to worry about a small handful of PlayStation faithfuls being upset, when selling the games on other platforms opens them up to more profit. You say you have 300+ games. You are not the average consumer. Large corporations make business decisions based off the average consumers, while every now and then throwing their fan base a bone.
soulbait
Member
As long as you can separate the lobbies, then it does not bother me. I love the ability to co-op with PC only friends though.
Bryank75
Banned
You totally missed the point, I was pointing to my catalog to show that they are ignoring where the money is to gain a few casuals who will spend little to nothing in comparison to the core, which I am a part of.
As to the rest of your point, why do people buy BMW or Audi or Porsche? It goes well beyond the engineering... or the quality of leather etc. You don't seem to get that...
PlayStation has an identity built over decades. Could you see BMW customers being happy if they decided to build Kia style / quality cars to get a few extra customers?
eastwood333
Banned
We know Microsoft can't go the selling a console and exclusive game route because they aren't good at that.
They had to trick consumers into buying game pass for Halo 1-6.
Dude, XSX is more than likely going to be 500 bucks at launch in limited supply in a chaotic economic environment. Halo Infinite for example, has like 500 devs working on it for over 5 years. MS needs to make that money back in sells. If they didn't put it on XB1, they'd be limiting sells significantly, not make that huge investment back, while also pissing off millions of gamers.
MS made the right call.
Your agreement of PS5 laucning with exclusives built from the ground up vs XSX crossgen games depends on how many and what exclusives PS5 will have during the launch period. We've seen Godfall and it basically looks like a cross gen game.
All MS has to do is show off The Initiatives new project, Playgrounds new Fable, The Coalitions new game, Obsidians new AAA rpg, Hellblade 2 (all XSX exclusives taking full advantage of the more powerful hardware)at the MS 1st party E3 event in July. That will show whats coming for XSX and shut up the naysayers.
In the meantime, XSX will have the best version of Halo Infinite at launch and have the multiplat advantages in resolution,framerate,ray tracing etc...
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