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[Bryank75]

Games with high fidelity visuals simply cost too much to make now to release on one platform, even for first parties. They need to see that money come back, and are seemingly willing to bite the bullet and release on a non-rival platform, which they apparently see PC as.

Nintendo is exempt because they spend low and earn big. They get the best of both worlds.

G&NS make more than Nintendo consistently, so I don't think there is much merit to what you're asserting here, unless you want to show me figures to support what you're saying.

 

[ksdixon]

Well said, OP. Describes my feelings way better than I could.

 

[Bryank75]

Well said, OP. Describes my feelings way better than I could.

I was starting to think nobody understood, thanks for saying!

 

[kyussman]

I can see what you are trying to say OP.....but I think the PlayStation brand is too big these days for them to be chasing anyone,they may well employ some similar strategies though.

 

[Gravemind]

We know Microsoft can't go the selling a console and exclusive game route because they aren't good at that.

They had to trick consumers into buying game pass for Halo 1-6.

Clown of the year statement right there. Congratulations, there were a lot to pick from on this website.

 

[Voidout]

I dont think they will release exclusives day and date on PC. There will always be some years of exclusivity as long as they are in the console business. They are releasing some older games to maximize sales on upcoming games (HZD --> HZD 2 only on ps5 / Bloodborne --> Demons souls remake) however, exclusive titles will remain their bread and butter.

I have a feeling they are ok with PC ports because they have a lot of faith in their upcoming games lineup for PS5.

 

[LeVictorien]

I can understand your point. We also need to realize that just because Sony is dominating with PS4 doesn't mean they'll be as dominant next gen. If history has taught us anything is that every gens hold surprises. PS2 was the uncontested winner of 6th gen yet PS3 lost a lot to both Microsoft and Nintendo.

 

[NikuNashi]

This gen? Sure. Nobody knows how the future will unfold. Nintendo bounced back from the Gamecube and WiiU. Xbox bounced back from the OG Xbox with the 360. Sony bounced back after the PS3.

The next gen will be far more contested as MS has addressed pretty much all of the mistakes of 2013. From pricing,more consumer friendly, heavy invest in 1st party, hardware power, on top of great services like BC and Gamepass.

Nintendo had the handhelds sewn up for that whole period don't forget, however they never released a dedicated home console again and may never.

 

[DrScissorsMD]

Coming from Bryank I have no idea what to make of the OP. It’s either a hilariously bad shitpost deflecting the few areas Sony aren’t great in as somehow being MS’s fault, or it’s some weird reverse-bait to get all the comments saying Sony are the ones being chased. Fucking dumb.

On the topic of games coming to PC though, I’ve got to ask all those who think it’s a bad move somehow: is Sony’s actual platform that fragile? Is 1st party all they’ve got, in a sense? Thinking of a future where the majority of 1st party is available on its own specific platform as well as PC, meaning each platform has to battle it out with platform features sounds ... pretty good to me? Even then, as it stands currently they’re only releasing select titles years after their original release. What’s the harm? I feel like you guys sometimes get so consumed in the health or success of your chosen platform you blind yourselves to what’s actually best for the medium as a whole.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Just my take, it's mostly a discussion about the recent ports and the fallout of that. I don't think it is being taken seriously enough and damages the platform.

I don’t think it damages it at all, especially with how they are going about it.

 

[Bryank75]

I don’t think it damages it at all, especially with how they are going about it.

I suppose they are more cautious than I give them credit for.

 

[Bryank75]

Coming from Bryank I have no idea what to make of the OP. It’s either a hilariously bad shitpost deflecting the few areas Sony aren’t great in as somehow being MS’s fault, or it’s some weird reverse-bait to get all the comments saying Sony are the ones being chased. Fucking dumb.

On the topic of games coming to PC though, I’ve got to ask all those who think it’s a bad move somehow: is Sony’s actual platform that fragile? Is 1st party all they’ve got, in a sense? Thinking of a future where the majority of 1st party is available on its own specific platform as well as PC, meaning each platform has to battle it out with platform features sounds ... pretty good to me? Even then, as it stands currently they’re only releasing select titles years after their original release. What’s the harm? I feel like you guys sometimes get so consumed in the health or success of your chosen platform you blind yourselves to what’s actually best for the medium as a whole.

I understand your mistrust based on me being a PlayStation fan... I meant 'chasing' in terms of strategy.
I posted in good faith, I was annoyed with the Bloodborne rumors and was venting a little bit, which is why it's a bit of a wall of text.

You have good points in your second section, however the way I see it games are part of platform competition and other platforms should try and top PlayStation in terms of software to attract people to their platform. It benefits everyone to have exclusives because more people are going to buy multiple consoles etc.

 

[fersnake]

havent read the thread, gonna laught right now and read it later.

 

[soulbait]

You totally missed the point, I was pointing to my catalog to show that they are ignoring where the money is to gain a few casuals who will spend little to nothing in comparison to the core, which I am a part of.

As to the rest of your point, why do people buy BMW or Audi or Porsche? It goes well beyond the engineering... or the quality of leather etc. You don't seem to get that...
PlayStation has an identity built over decades. Could you see BMW customers being happy if they decided to build Kia style / quality cars to get a few extra customers?

I missed your point, because I have yet to find it. I have yet to find why there is any outrage at all to this. Logically, it does not makes sense. Nothing is changing that directly affects you.

If you believe that a PlayStation vs a Xbox is the same thing as a BMW vs a Kia, then you want to check on your delusions. You really don't think that Xbox and PlayStation is on the same level? They pretty much had the same guts this generation, with PS4 having the lead in power until the Xbox One X came out. Still even with the power difference between the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro (which I own both), it was hard press to tell major differences between the games. Sure the X had some better resolution and in some instances less frame rate drops, improved shadows and lighting, but at the end of the day the games still ran and people are happy with both.

If you are trying to refer to the passion of BMW fans are the same as Sony fans, I am not sure that is a bunch you want to associate your fandom with. There are common names I hear given to those who are BMW lovers, and they are rarely positive.

And your analogy does not make sense. They are still making the high end "car". Just their components might also be in another car as well. If you wanted a good analogy maybe you could have compared it to when the Audi R8 came out. They placed a Lamborghini engine in an Audi that also cost less than the Lamborghini that originally had it. Even then that is a stretch because Sony is not making new hardware under a different brand and we know consoles don't belong in comparison to super cars anyway, that is the PC space. Also, your argument falls apart once you remember that BMW also makes Mini Coopers.

I will never understand such blind allegiance to a corporation, especially getting angry when that corporation is doing something so others can have access to what you claim you love: their games. Look, I could understand getting bummed and upset if Sony announced they are no longer making games. If they announced they were no longer going to make PlayStations. It would be a bummer. But anger over them for producing more revenue streams just doesn't make sense. These decisions do not affect you. They still make games you enjoy. They will still make consoles that you like.

Did you feel like you were in an exclusive club, and now you feel like that is being taken away from you? When there have been 100 million PS4 consoles sold, it isn't so exclusive.

Are you getting upset because the one last card you had up your sleeve in silly console war fights were Sony's exclusive games? Because they will, for the most part, still be exclusive to PlayStation, just maybe, possibly going to PC a little later. Oh and MLB The Show going everywhere.

 

[Bryank75]

I missed your point, because I have yet to find it. I have yet to find why there is any outrage at all to this. Logically, it does not makes sense. Nothing is changing that directly affects you.

If you believe that a PlayStation vs a Xbox is the same thing as a BMW vs a Kia, then you want to check on your delusions. You really don't think that Xbox and PlayStation is on the same level? They pretty much had the same guts this generation, with PS4 having the lead in power until the Xbox One X came out. Still even with the power difference between the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro (which I own both), it was hard press to tell major differences between the games. Sure the X had some better resolution and in some instances less frame rate drops, improved shadows and lighting, but at the end of the day the games still ran and people are happy with both.

If you are trying to refer to the passion of BMW fans are the same as Sony fans, I am not sure that is a bunch you want to associate your fandom with. There are common names I hear given to those who are BMW lovers, and they are rarely positive.

And your analogy does not make sense. They are still making the high end "car". Just their components might also be in another car as well. If you wanted a good analogy maybe you could have compared it to when the Audi R8 came out. They placed a Lamborghini engine in an Audi that also cost less than the Lamborghini that originally had it. Even then that is a stretch because Sony is not making new hardware under a different brand and we know consoles don't belong in comparison to super cars anyway, that is the PC space. Also, your argument falls apart once you remember that BMW also makes Mini Coopers.

I will never understand such blind allegiance to a corporation, especially getting angry when that corporation is doing something so others can have access to what you claim you love: their games. Look, I could understand getting bummed and upset if Sony announced they are no longer making games. If they announced they were no longer going to make PlayStations. It would be a bummer. But anger over them for producing more revenue streams just doesn't make sense. These decisions do not affect you. They still make games you enjoy. They will still make consoles that you like.

Did you feel like you were in an exclusive club, and now you feel like that is being taken away from you? When there have been 100 million PS4 consoles sold, it isn't so exclusive.

Are you getting upset because the one last card you had up your sleeve in silly console war fights were Sony's exclusive games? Because they will, for the most part, still be exclusive to PlayStation, just maybe, possibly going to PC a little later. Oh and MLB The Show going everywhere.

I'm fairly reasonable, I don't mind MLB going multiplatform, I wouldn't mind Horizon or Bloodborne even if Hermen or Jim came out and communicated clearly what their strategy was to their audience.

I don't want to see these games playable on other platforms (apart from MLB obviously) during the main 7 years of the generation. But some time after that is fine to publish a few key titles if they feel the need.

Communication is key, Nintendo is clear, XBox is clear...why are management at PS so bad at communicating even compared to earlier this generation? That is my question.... and my main issue. There is no clarity and so people can overreact or imply that things may be happening that are not necessarily.

Ya get me?

 

[DrScissorsMD]

I understand your mistrust based on me being a PlayStation fan... I meant 'chasing' in terms of strategy.
I posted in good faith, I was annoyed with the Bloodborne rumors and was venting a little bit, which is why it's a bit of a wall of text.

You have good points in your second section, however the way I see it games are part of platform competition and other platforms should try and top PlayStation in terms of software to attract people to their platform. It benefits everyone to have exclusives because more people are going to buy multiple consoles etc.

I’d argue it benefits people less as generally people are more likely to have a PC and buy a single console. PCs by their very nature are used for so much beyond gaming and are more of a general household item, whereas consoles are purely an entertainment/luxury item so I think cost-wise you’d have more people be less willing to buy two consoles. This way Sony are still making some money via software sales of their games on PC, and if they or MS really want that console sale over their competitor they’ve gotta really push the console/platform features. And then you’ve got a larger audience in general by including PC-only gamers (not that PS is hurting for users).

 

[Bryank75]

I’d argue it benefits people less as generally people are more likely to have a PC and buy a single console. PCs by their very nature are used for so much beyond gaming and are more of a general household item, whereas consoles are purely an entertainment/luxury item so I think cost-wise you’d have more people be less willing to buy two consoles. This way Sony are still making some money via software sales of their games on PC, and if they or MS really want that console sale over their competitor they’ve gotta really push the console/platform features. And then you’ve got a larger audience in general by including PC-only gamers (not that PS is hurting for users).

....and maybe you're right, I have the patience to wait and see and it would be a pleasant surprise. I just hope if it does have a negative impact that they have the humility to roll it all back.
Most of all I just want caution and clear communication.
The lack of consideration for their customers also highlights why I would never trust PlayStation with providing games as a service rather than a product, their customer service has always sucked and they don't offer refunds, have banned people for random stuff and people have lost all their games. So just as an added comment that's pretty unrelated... they should stick to hardware and physical / digital games cause they will never make it in the service industry unlike MS.

 

[Kumomeme]

umm...i believe Sony currently lead the gaming scene now especially console...

Nintendo, had their own strategy where they sit in their 'own' market where nobody there to chase them...which is, they did since 7th generation
maybe, MS also trying to go this route next gen with their stand about services

 

[DrScissorsMD]

....and maybe you're right, I have the patience to wait and see and it would be a pleasant surprise. I just hope if it does have a negative impact that they have the humility to roll it all back.
Most of all I just want caution and clear communication.
The lack of consideration for their customers also highlights why I would never trust PlayStation with providing games as a service rather than a product, their customer service has always sucked and they don't offer refunds, have banned people for random stuff and people have lost all their games. So just as an added comment that's pretty unrelated... they should stick to hardware and physical / digital games cause they will never make it in the service industry unlike MS.

I mean, that’s safe caution. Fingers crossed those are areas they massively improve on. They’ve got the most important part well in hand so hopefully that means they improve elsewhere rather than stagnating which wouldn’t be that big a deal but still. Best for all parties to be competitive across the board. I think the fact they went with Azure servers was a good forward-thinking move for PsNow, for instance.

 

[yurinka]

This generation Sony is the clear market leader selling consoles, games sold for their consoles, revenue and users in game subscriptions (Plus+Now), revenue and users in streaming subscriptions (Now), non-mobile VR... they don't care about MS or Nintendo. Sony basically dominated every market where they competed.

In any case, Microsoft or Nintendo should be the ones who would follow Sony. Sony just are focusing on repeating their PS4 historical success by repeating their strategy will improving where needed or possible in addition to the typical next gen improvements. Better visuals, native resolution, loading times, openess to crossplay, OS UI, PSN speed, PS Now latency/resolution/codec/devices supported/etc, and so on.

If Sony starts to release their first-party games on PC on release or after one year or two

They will only release MLB because the licensor mandated it, and also an old Horizon port. Journey or QD games were to help these devs in their new adventures as independent. Don't expect to see more Sony games outside PS Now running on PC, specially new PS5 games.

Maybe some old port of an isolated case that for an specific reason may fit very well, like Dreams. But I don't believe the """rumors""" of games like Bloodborne, TLOU2 and so on. It simply doesn't make sense, they already are in a lot of fronts and markets, and they will double down in all of them.

 

[Dane]

Sony has never attracted the extreme loyal crowd except for the internet, outside of that, the average joe consumer doesn`t give a shit, he just want a machine to play his videogames.

Nintendo is a different story, and a quite complicated one. Third parties complained back in GC days that most Nintendo owners were hostile to non Nintendo games, and the Switch is where the company definetely wanted to avert this and attract public outside of the "Nintendo fanboy" crowd, however they were historically on a on-off situation, their portables and Wii were a huge sucess with the mainstream public.

 

[Swadedtx]

As long as you can separate the lobbies, then it does not bother me. I love the ability to co-op with PC only friends though.

I want to see a competitive pvp esports arena with console thats why i say it. R6 console has a better pace and the pc people killed the game and made r6 cartoony moving in and out of peeking spots.

If socom came out I just want a console controller based. I hate m+k and yes I am good with m+k I just like controllers and want everyone else to have them. I'm very aware that's a selfish thing. If Socom doesn't come out I'm becoming a PC guy which I don't want to do. PC has the best tactical shooters PS has the best story based games, to be a. XBOX person you're just a fan boy.

When I bought a 360 I thought they would take over the mil-sim or survivor industry. They haven't done jack shit.

 

[Swadedtx]

I’d argue it benefits people less as generally people are more likely to have a PC and buy a single console. PCs by their very nature are used for so much beyond gaming and are more of a general household item, whereas consoles are purely an entertainment/luxury item so I think cost-wise you’d have more people be less willing to buy two consoles. This way Sony are still making some money via software sales of their games on PC, and if they or MS really want that console sale over their competitor they’ve gotta really push the console/platform features. And then you’ve got a larger audience in general by including PC-only gamers (not that PS is hurting for users).

Sony's got a great strategy, make an awesome game, release it 5 years later when part 2 comes out and anybody who bought part 1 on a PC might say I need to get a Playstation now for part 2.

 

[MagnesG]

Nintendo cannot be chased. Nobody can succeed by doing what they do.

They also have oldest, most iconic ips so that helps.

They nurtured and protected it good (most of them) from the start, that helps unlike others.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I agree with what Mystic Said in his video. Sony is testing the waters to find out what works and what doesn’t which I think in a smart decision. I wonder how many sales Microsoft loses due to their exclusives being on PC day 1?

They put games that have mostly worn out their sales on PS onto PC to get more sales and to test the waters. They are being cautious.

Uh, what?

Everyone seems to be chasing Sony. Nintendo does their own thing, and always has.

This. Nintendo does what Nintendo wants to do for better or worse.

Sony definitely have things they need to work on, but people are chasing them not the other way around. That may change of course.

 

[kingpotato]

Recently I have found PlayStation seems to be giving mixed messages about their strategy regarding exclusives, ports, whether PlayStation is an open or closed platform and where they want to go with cloud gaming.

I definitely agree they have a long way to go to improve their messaging.

They seem to be chasing Xbox, a platform that is subsidized by the biggest company in the world by market cap and has yet to 'win' a single generation.... even whether they have ever turned a profit is obfuscated.
The management at PlayStation seem to have lost sight of what made them successful: a closed platform where you can get almost all the big multiplatform games, an excellent selection of first party exclusives and great ease of use.

You have this relationship inverted. I think with regard to online services and capabilities this may have been true once, but these days the only place Microsoft leads is in sheer power with the one x and that looks to continue with the series x. It seems Sony doesn't feel sheer power is worth pursuing. Also 360 crushed the PS3 overall and I'm a huge Sony fanboy. It was a sick console with tons of games at a great price with a better controller.

Ryan recently spoke about exclusives going to PC but downplayed the issue;

PSNow and a string of recent ports have blurred the lines, I now see people saying the same thing in all usual places.... youtube, facebook groups, twitter, neogaf. They say that PlayStation is no longer necessary because eventually the games will come to PC..... people can justify it in a few different ways, they can say 'might as well port and make a bit more money on old games' or if they port to PC and see sales of PlayStation consoles go down significantly, they can say 'oh, now we need to port to PC to make up for that shortfall' .
The main issue is that it is a slippery slope and they are sacrificing to long-term health of the platform for a short term pittance.

I don't agree with this sentiment at all. Sony is building their overall PlayStation brand and further growing their audience. They have taken a service that only existed on one platform and expanded it to many devices. Just because a Sony game is playable on PC doesn't mean they won't be capturing money when someone buys it. If they waved publishing rights, you would be right to express concern, but I didn't get the impression that was in the cards.

Not only that but from a fans perspective it is highly disappointing and results in attacks on the PS community by the PC crowd. Disrespectful, condescending and nasty comments are left everywhere by PC gamers that got or are about to get a PS exclusive ported..... they say the usual nonsense like 'thanks for beta testing for us', 'finally playable at 60 fps', 'it was unplayable on console', 'console peasants' etc etc.
Now, it isn't Sony's job to protect their customers, HOWEVER I think they should want their customers to feel good about playing on PlayStation.... why would I stay on PlayStation if I am made to feel lesser for doing so? If it doesn't feel special, unique or exciting, there is no point in sticking around.

I'm sorry, what do you need to be protected from? Hate on the internet? Insecurity? A false feeling of superiority from either side of that argument? The consoles themselves represent an amazing deal with regard to performance, reliability, convenience, price, ease of use, etc. even at the end of their life cycle. For $400 you can get a PlayStation, controller, cables and 3 AAA games. You know exactly what you are getting and how well they will run on your PlayStation. That is an extremely tough price point to beat for everything you get and you get the added bonus of sexy hardware design.

Nintendo just sold 13.4 million copies of Animal Crossing in six weeks... that is success. They did this by building up a game brand over many generations and NOT allowing it to be playable anywhere else. It is the same with Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and others.

You can play a crappy Mario kart and mediocre animal crossing on an Android phone now. The mobile only Pokemon go probably sold switches when the latest Pokemon game came out. Nintendo is starting to see the value of extending their properties to other platforms and markets. They now have a theme park and Lego sets. One day they may have their own streaming service for PCs. It isn't that far fetched.

They have built this trust with their loyal customers by guaranteeing the games will only ever be playable on Switch and you NEVER see PC gamers saying anything like they do to PlayStation gamers because of it.

They, whoever they are, probably do, you're just not hearing it or sensetive to it... Do you really only buy a Nintendo/Sony console because you think those games will NEVER be playable anywhere else? I was playing a pirated fan translated rom of Pokemon green before red/blue released in the US on my Dell. Timeline might be a little sketchy on that and I agree it isn't legal and anecdotal, but you went extreme with never. If I'm the only one not getting butt hurt over this issue, how come you don't express sympathy for Xbox owners who saw all exclusives ported to pc?

Even Xbox, at least communicated their strategy clearly to their customers when they decided to go more open platform, Phil is very communicative with the fanbase and I see plenty of interaction. The same cannot be said of PlayStation at the moment, all the faces of 2013, like Jack Tretton, Shuhei, Adam Boyes and others have disappeared replaced by a robotic, disembodied voice and devoid of any connection.

We learned more in depth about how PS5 is going to be awesome than any previous PlayStation generation to date already. And that encouraged Xbox to share how awesome the series x is going to be in more detail too! I feel this is a slight on Cerny but you are right there are less personalities representing the PlayStation brand at the moment than there have been in the past. You are spot on that they haven't explained a broader vision with their services yet, but maybe they think they hold some competitive advantage being obtuse. Or maybe they don't have a unified strategy at all? It certainly feels that way.

The games are being delivered, Cerny is doing a great job on the hardware so far but I cannot ignore these huge problems with the direction Playstation has taken. It is time to rebuild the walls and treat the core audience with the respect it deserves.... take a page out of Nintendo's book. Protect your IP's and make sure people know that Sony consoles are the only places these games will appear otherwise you might as well sell the division for some magic beans!

Nah fam, you need to tear down your own emotional hang ups.

I'm hyped that Sony is bringing their games to more platforms. It means I have to say goodbye less when I transition generations. Sony has done a decent job of protecting core IPs while investing in new ones. It doesn't damage a brand to let more people enjoy it. If magic beans are money, they need that to keep kicking ass. I don't want to keep buying the same game updated or whatever just because I'm feeling nostalgia for my ps2. Maybe this model will help rectify that a bit.

I'm hyped for the new toys (consoles), new games and services we will see soon. I hope you can be as well and realize that someone getting to play the same game as you on the platform of their choosing shouldn't diminish your enjoyment. Your fun is valid, as long as it isn't derived from gatekeeping. None of these brands are a single console. PlayStation as a brand isn't going anywhere even if they one day decide to move away from specialized hardware.

 

[Bryank75]

I definitely agree they have a long way to go to improve their messaging.


You have this relationship inverted. I think with regard to online services and capabilities this may have been true once, but these days the only place Microsoft leads is in sheer power with the one x and that looks to continue with the series x. It seems Sony doesn't feel sheer power is worth pursuing. Also 360 crushed the PS3 overall and I'm a huge Sony fanboy. It was a sick console with tons of games at a great price with a better controller.


I don't agree with this sentiment at all. Sony is building their overall PlayStation brand and further growing their audience. They have taken a service that only existed on one platform and expanded it to many devices. Just because a Sony game is playable on PC doesn't mean they won't be capturing money when someone buys it. If they waved publishing rights, you would be right to express concern, but I didn't get the impression that was in the cards.


I'm sorry, what do you need to be protected from? Hate on the internet? Insecurity? A false feeling of superiority from either side of that argument? The consoles themselves represent an amazing deal with regard to performance, reliability, convenience, price, ease of use, etc. even at the end of their life cycle. For $400 you can get a PlayStation, controller, cables and 3 AAA games. You know exactly what you are getting and how well they will run on your PlayStation. That is an extremely tough price point to beat for everything you get and you get the added bonus of sexy hardware design.


You can play a crappy Mario kart and mediocre animal crossing on an Android phone now. The mobile only Pokemon go probably sold switches when the latest Pokemon game came out. Nintendo is starting to see the value of extending their properties to other platforms and markets. They now have a theme park and Lego sets. One day they may have their own streaming service for PCs. It isn't that far fetched.


They, whoever they are, probably do, you're just not hearing it or sensetive to it... Do you really only buy a Nintendo/Sony console because you think those games will NEVER be playable anywhere else? I was playing a pirated fan translated rom of Pokemon green before red/blue released in the US on my Dell. Timeline might be a little sketchy on that and I agree it isn't legal and anecdotal, but you went extreme with never. If I'm the only one not getting butt hurt over this issue, how come you don't express sympathy for Xbox owners who saw all exclusives ported to pc?


We learned more in depth about how PS5 is going to be awesome than any previous PlayStation generation to date already. And that encouraged Xbox to share how awesome the series x is going to be in more detail too! I feel this is a slight on Cerny but you are right there are less personalities representing the PlayStation brand at the moment than there have been in the past. You are spot on that they haven't explained a broader vision with their services yet, but maybe they think they hold some competitive advantage being obtuse. Or maybe they don't have a unified strategy at all? It certainly feels that way.


Nah fam, you need to tear down your own emotional hang ups.

I'm hyped that Sony is bringing their games to more platforms. It means I have to say goodbye less when I transition generations. Sony has done a decent job of protecting core IPs while investing in new ones. It doesn't damage a brand to let more people enjoy it. If magic beans are money, they need that to keep kicking ass. I don't want to keep buying the same game updated or whatever just because I'm feeling nostalgia for my ps2. Maybe this model will help rectify that a bit.

I'm hyped for the new toys (consoles), new games and services we will see soon. I hope you can be as well and realize that someone getting to play the same game as you on the platform of their choosing shouldn't diminish your enjoyment. Your fun is valid, as long as it isn't derived from gatekeeping. None of these brands are a single console. PlayStation as a brand isn't going anywhere even if they one day decide to move away from specialized hardware.

Thanks for the detailed and thorough response.
Only thing I don't like the idea of there is Sony not doing hardware anymore...I'd be done. I wouldn't continue gaming if it was streaming or some crap like that, I'd rather not play at all.... that is a huge amount of the enjoyment, the speculation and build up to new generations, unboxing a new console etc.
The events too....E3 2015 and 16 were incredible moments.

 

[kingpotato]

Thanks for the detailed and thorough response.
Only thing I don't like the idea of there is Sony not doing hardware anymore...I'd be done. I wouldn't continue gaming if it was streaming or some crap like that, I'd rather not play at all.... that is a huge amount of the enjoyment, the speculation and build up to new generations, unboxing a new console etc.
The events too....E3 2015 and 16 were incredible moments.

I doubt it will happen anytime soon since a physical platform with exclusive market rights (psn, live marketplace, shop) is still a very profitable business model.

I've been hearing it's the last console generation for 3 or 4 generations now.

 

[Bryank75]

I doubt it will happen anytime soon since a physical platform with exclusive market rights (psn, live marketplace, shop) is still a very profitable business model.

I've been hearing it's the last console generation for 3 or 4 generations now.

There will always be new tech, new innovations and standards to reach... Cloud gaming will always be limited by compression and a lack of dependability and environmental interference... as well as a plethora of possible anti-consumer issues.
I am looking forward to new generations when ray-tracing will be improved, physics will be more realistic in every situation and on every object, AI will really challenge us and learn from previous mistakes etc.

I think consoles could also change into something the size of a gamecube, that can be plugged into your car charger and played on a screen in or close to your car etc.

Lots of innovations are possible in this space I think.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Can't you just be happy more people will enjoy these games if sony does start releasing them on pc?

 

[ExpandKong]

*only reads the title*

They tried that with handhelds, it didn’t go so well.

 

[Voidout]

I definitely agree they have a long way to go to improve their messaging.


You have this relationship inverted. I think with regard to online services and capabilities this may have been true once, but these days the only place Microsoft leads is in sheer power with the one x and that looks to continue with the series x. It seems Sony doesn't feel sheer power is worth pursuing. Also 360 crushed the PS3 overall and I'm a huge Sony fanboy. It was a sick console with tons of games at a great price with a better controller.


I don't agree with this sentiment at all. Sony is building their overall PlayStation brand and further growing their audience. They have taken a service that only existed on one platform and expanded it to many devices. Just because a Sony game is playable on PC doesn't mean they won't be capturing money when someone buys it. If they waved publishing rights, you would be right to express concern, but I didn't get the impression that was in the cards.


I'm sorry, what do you need to be protected from? Hate on the internet? Insecurity? A false feeling of superiority from either side of that argument? The consoles themselves represent an amazing deal with regard to performance, reliability, convenience, price, ease of use, etc. even at the end of their life cycle. For $400 you can get a PlayStation, controller, cables and 3 AAA games. You know exactly what you are getting and how well they will run on your PlayStation. That is an extremely tough price point to beat for everything you get and you get the added bonus of sexy hardware design.


You can play a crappy Mario kart and mediocre animal crossing on an Android phone now. The mobile only Pokemon go probably sold switches when the latest Pokemon game came out. Nintendo is starting to see the value of extending their properties to other platforms and markets. They now have a theme park and Lego sets. One day they may have their own streaming service for PCs. It isn't that far fetched.


They, whoever they are, probably do, you're just not hearing it or sensetive to it... Do you really only buy a Nintendo/Sony console because you think those games will NEVER be playable anywhere else? I was playing a pirated fan translated rom of Pokemon green before red/blue released in the US on my Dell. Timeline might be a little sketchy on that and I agree it isn't legal and anecdotal, but you went extreme with never. If I'm the only one not getting butt hurt over this issue, how come you don't express sympathy for Xbox owners who saw all exclusives ported to pc?


We learned more in depth about how PS5 is going to be awesome than any previous PlayStation generation to date already. And that encouraged Xbox to share how awesome the series x is going to be in more detail too! I feel this is a slight on Cerny but you are right there are less personalities representing the PlayStation brand at the moment than there have been in the past. You are spot on that they haven't explained a broader vision with their services yet, but maybe they think they hold some competitive advantage being obtuse. Or maybe they don't have a unified strategy at all? It certainly feels that way.


Nah fam, you need to tear down your own emotional hang ups.

I'm hyped that Sony is bringing their games to more platforms. It means I have to say goodbye less when I transition generations. Sony has done a decent job of protecting core IPs while investing in new ones. It doesn't damage a brand to let more people enjoy it. If magic beans are money, they need that to keep kicking ass. I don't want to keep buying the same game updated or whatever just because I'm feeling nostalgia for my ps2. Maybe this model will help rectify that a bit.

I'm hyped for the new toys (consoles), new games and services we will see soon. I hope you can be as well and realize that someone getting to play the same game as you on the platform of their choosing shouldn't diminish your enjoyment. Your fun is valid, as long as it isn't derived from gatekeeping. None of these brands are a single console. PlayStation as a brand isn't going anywhere even if they one day decide to move away from specialized hardware.

And Sony will always have a "lineup" of exclusive hardware on their platform. They are gonna announce a handful of new ps5 exclusives and bam the lineup is refreshed allowing for older titles to get some breathing room.

 

[Pallas]

I don’t know what to tell you Bryank75 , I know we’ve had some back and fourths on here and it sucks that you feel that way about the brand that you love.

Just enjoy the games and see where this ride takes us, I would try to not let things you can’t control worry you so much. Sony is going to do what gives them the best opportunity to earn money, so that they can continue funding those AAA first party titles.

I know I probably come off as pro Xbox fan to you, truth is I own all three systems, and before the 360/PS3/Wii era I was truly a huge fan of Sony, still am but I’m invested in all three systems now, and enjoy what each offer And each has something I hate about them.

 

[Bryank75]

I don’t know what to tell you Bryank75 , I know we’ve had some back and fourths on here and it sucks that you feel that way about the brand that you love.

Just enjoy the games and see where this ride takes us, I would try to not let things you can’t control worry you so much. Sony is going to do what gives them the best opportunity to earn money, so that they can continue funding those AAA first party titles.

I know I probably come off as pro Xbox fan to you, truth is I own all three systems, and before the 360/PS3/Wii era I was truly a huge fan of Sony, still am but I’m invested in all three systems now, and enjoy what each offer And each has something I hate about them.

I'm here to discuss gaming... sometimes I get serious, I usually try to have a laugh but I like everyone here. No-matter if you're a PC, Xbox, Nintendo or PS gamer....
Don't take anything I say personally, I absolutely appreciate you taking the time to engage with me and I try to see things from the other side. Feel free to DM me if you ever feel the need and I'd be happy if you'd consider me a friend!

 

[Neff]

G&NS make more than Nintendo consistently, so I don't think there is much merit to what you're asserting here, unless you want to show me figures to support what you're saying.

Nintendo are frugal spenders, it's no industry secret.

The reason why Sony's hand has been forced is staring you in the face. High end visuals cost a fortune. Sony simply can't afford to follow Nintendo's model of exclusivity anymore.

 

[Megatron]

i Think Sony first party games going to pc is great, no, they shouldn’t all do it, but for a few it makes sense. Nobody is skipping the ps5 because Horizon 2 MIGHT come to pc in five years. Let other people play great games. Bloodborne with mods will be amazing.

 

[vkbest]

Porting games to PC is the dumbest strategy from Sony ever. People and Sony will realize that, when Microsoft let you install Windows on XBOX in the future, and Sony finds their games in his competitor. Sony will be finished overnight when MS want to kill his competitor.

 

[Airbus Jr]

I know sony is in the lead right now but in my eyes nintendo is still the best when it comes videogame console

Look at nintendo switch is catching up fast from behind

 

[MCplayer]

So no more good quality exclusive games next gen? So sad...

oh snap, I read "So ssd..."

 

[MCplayer]

I know sony is in the lead right now but in my eyes nintendo is still the best when it comes videogame console

Look at nintendo switch is catching up fast from behind

Lets be real, nitendo may sell alot but I bet their consoles are the ones who catches more dust in people's homes.

 

[Gaz]

PlayStation is not chasing Xbox. Its the market leader.

Its chasing on aspects such as delivering compelling multiplayer titles and the cloud infrastructure (which it cant do on its own hence the partnership with Microsoft).

Next gen will be a much more competitive landscape though. Xbox performed terribly this gen.

 

[acm2000]

Sony tried chasing the handheld market and it lost (although it put up a reasonable fight), Xbox is their only competition.

 

[VertigoOA]

no way... the switch is garbage.

Nintendo surrendered in the console market. There’s nothing to imitate.

 

[SometimeLaterToday]

There's leaders and there's followers. There's actions and reactions. It was Sony who posted the first BLM-related message, while also dictating the subsequent delay schedule and everyone else had to comply, otherwise they'd all be looking like complete assholes.

A lot of things can be said about them, but time and time again, they've proven themselves a more than superior market speculator and are not above abandoning (RIP Vita) certain trends when it's clear it didn't work as much as they expected.

 

[Shivvy24]

Tbh I dont think it's a bad idea releasing 4-5yr old exclusives to PC, that way Sony recoups extra $$ on another platform after its initial release and it's a win for gamers that dont have a ps4.

 

[Thirty7ven]

People keep forgetting about VR. We will see inside three years who is chasing who.

 

[TBiddy]

People keep forgetting about VR. We will see inside three years who is chasing who.

I guess there's a reason people keep forgetting about it.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I guess there's a reason people keep forgetting about it.

Would love to hear your reasoning, and if the same line of thinking applies to other endeavors that hold promise for the future yet haven’t hit prime time yet.

 

[TBiddy]

Would love to hear your reasoning, and if the same line of thinking applies to other endeavors that hold promise for the future yet haven’t hit prime time yet.

Not much reasoning - I have yet to meet anyone outside Gaf that actually thinks VR is the shit. It's a fun gimmick and that's about it. In my opinion, of course. Yours may vary.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Not much reasoning - I have yet to meet anyone outside Gaf that actually thinks VR is the shit. It's a fun gimmick and that's about it. In my opinion, of course. Yours may vary.

Depends. Are you talking about people who actually tried VR, or are you talking about people who think they don't want it?