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[Mech_Warrior]

That's what they said about Starfield and they doubled down on this years release of it.

Its just better to wait and see. Videogame release dates currently are all over the place.

Good point. I guess you cannot trust any release date.

 

[adamsapple]

Keep in mind Grubb nor the other "insiders" came out ahead of these delays or speculated ANYTHING regarding them until after the fact, so I wouldn't take any word from any of them as being worth listening to more than any average poster on the forum.

Starfield is probably closer to late Spring 2023 at earliest; if Avowed and Hellblade II aren't ready for 2023 though, then Starfield's going to be Fall 2023. RedFall probably has a better chance coming out sooner than Starfield; it's less ambitious and is a live-service GaaS so even if it launches kind of weak they can promise to improve it with content updates. So that's the one that'll probably hit closer to Q1 2023, Q2 at latest.

To be fair, as someone who listens to his show, he had always been very pessimistic about Starfield meeting its date and he never really spoke about Redfall in the first place.

The only thing we know is that the games are currently planned for the 1st half of 2023, so it's a smaller delay for Starfield than it is for Redfall.

Conspicuously enough, Bethesda Games Studio's official tweet also says "yo we know you wanna play Starfield, but just wait a little longer" with no mention of Redfall.

So, I have a feeling may come out around the time frame Elden Ring came out this year, cause that game out at an unconventional time and did 12 million sales in 2 weeks or something, so you don't really need to release a game around the holiday quarter to have it be a success.

Trying to keep positive speculation here lol

 

[iHaunter]

So... Xbox first party has literally no game confirmed for 2022 right now.

Need to change that stat boys. Wtf.

And last years was pretty whack as well. All this money spent. They have high hopes for it, maybe it'll amaze us.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

F'ing love this movie. Haven't seen the alternate cut in ages tho it's hard to find.

To be fair, as someone who listens to his show, he had always been very pessimistic about Starfield meeting its date and he never really spoke about Redfall in the first place.

The only thing we know is that the games are currently planned for the 1st half of 2023, so it's a smaller delay for Starfield than it is for Redfall.

Conspicuously enough, Bethesda Games Studio's official tweet also says "yo we know you wanna play Starfield, but just wait a little longer" with no mention of Redfall.

So, I have a feeling may come out around the time frame Elden Ring came out this year, cause that game out at an unconventional time and did 12 million sales in 2 weeks or something, so you don't really need to release a game around the holiday quarter to have it be a success.

Trying to keep positive speculation here lol

I get you, and yeah it's nice to be optimistic on this. But supposing even with the delays if either game still needs "more" time, they have less to lose on pushing out RedFall by the skin of their teeth, vs. Starfield. That's the way I kind of see it.

Plus I'm also thinking about what other games they have lined up for 2023. Can't really count on STALKER 2 sadly because of the conflict, same with Replaced. Scorn is supposed to be this year, and I have no idea where Bright Memory Infinite is. Same with ExoMecha. So that only realistically leaves Hellblade II and Avowed for 2023 in terms of genuinely new releases (and not ports, like what Ghostwire Tokyo will be once it comes to Xbox/GamePass).

If neither of those are ready for 2023 by some freak chance, MS will probably have to spread out RedFall and Starfield for the 2023 calendar.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Good point. I guess you cannot trust any release date.

I guess it depends on how much they show from the game more than a release date that’s given. Like if there’s a ton of gameplay demos there’s a higher chance of the game coming sooner then if there’s a ton of CGI trailers. The more they show us the sooner it will come is my line of thinking.

 

[Mech_Warrior]

I guess it depends on how much they show from the game more than a release date that’s given. Like if there’s a ton of gameplay demos there’s a higher chance of the game coming sooner then if there’s a ton of CGI trailers. The more they show us the sooner it will come is my line of thinking.

Nintendo delayed Breath of the Wild 2. Maybe Sony delays God of War Ragnarök.

No game is safe in 2022.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Good point. I guess you cannot trust any release date.

Everytime I heard release dates, I unzipped. Got to a point where even buying vaseline became pointless.

Its beef jerky down there. Not a single video game announcement gives me any sort of pleasure. Its literally the opposite of a raging boner.

But what can you do huh ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯¯

 

[TLZ]

fuck this selling my Xbox

Funnier reading this in Winnie the Pooh's voice.

 

[John Wick]

Jason said it would have been a Cyberpunk situation if it was released in 2022:

Clearly he is lying and a Sony undercover agent.......according to certain xgoons

 

[T0minator]

These delays gets me to think two things

1) Series S maybe the issue, to "downscale" maybe tougher than they thought
2) There's nothing set for 2023 so they thought fuck it lets push these two to 2023 they weren't gonna be ready anyway

 

[Larlight]

Jason is always involved in gossip and being "told". Never a deep investigation or analysis that has to do directly with the videogame market or with the future of the industry etc. and ALWAYS with the rumor and all the news that seek to generate a click and a controversy. mediocre journalist.

Man never has positive news to report lmao

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Great and honest post man, respect the effort. I agree on Starfield slipping into H2 2023 as well, especially if Avowed and Hellblade II aren't ready by that point.

Also, I can't help but see so many parallels now between MS with Xbox series (in terms of mismanagement, slipping release dates, development issues etc.) and Sega during the Saturn era in NA & Europe regions, but that's just from quickly looking at things. Not gonna get deep into that here (and this is as someone who has come to love the Saturn's library after the fact).

Thanks. Appreciate it.

I didn't own a Saturn until 2000 when I was working at Blockbuster and they happened to have a Saturn console brand new that was never rented. I bought it for $50!!! I was so happy!!! Since I didn't own it until then, I don't remember much from back then for Sega Saturn except for Sega releasing at $400 in July 1995 to get ahead of Sony's PlayStation and it didn;t go well at all. I also remember people saying that Saturn was a 2D console with dual processors or some shit that was a pain in the ass to develop for while PlayStation was a 3D console that for the most part, easy to develop for.

I had Hellblade 2 as the big November 2023 game but now, I'll be honest, I think every game gets pushed back at least six months if not more. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that this is a recurring issue. It never ends. Every time I think things are going pretty well, boom, a fuck up and here we are. They also don't plan out anything. I'm not expecting any exclusives this Fall for Xbox except for the Deathloop port.

I'm not a fan of timed console exclusives but Microsoft should try to get Gotham Knights, Avatar or something exclusive for a year or at the very least, get them day one on Game Pass. They should really do something but they didn't do anything for launch to replace Halo Infinite so I doubt they will do anything to replace Starfield and to a much lesser extent Redfall.

 

[hlm666]

This was going to be my motivation for a shiny new GPU, I need to find a new excuse.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Spoiler

12/12/24

 

[RobRSG]

 

[Elysion]

The fact that they’re announcing this delay now, instead of waiting until their summer showcase, makes me wonder if we might not be getting that Starfield deep dive we were hoping for. Wouldn’t it make more sense to announce Starfield‘s delay immediately after they’ve wowed everyone with an in-depth look at the gameplay? The bad news would’ve been mostly drowned out by all the excitement – assuming, of course, that the gameplay they‘ve showed looked great.

And that brings me to my question: what if whatever Bethesda was preparing to show just doesn’t look very good? I‘m sure Phil Spencer wants to avoid another first showing like Halo Infinite, so I wouldn‘t be surprised if all we‘re getting from Starfield during the XBox showcase is another in-engine trailer (maybe with a few gameplay snippets of the protagonist shooting at things, but that‘s it). In that case it would make sense for them not to wait until the showcase to announce the delay, since showing just a another trailer and announcing a delay at the same time would definitely not be well received. Which means proper gameplay probably won‘t be shown until they‘re confident that it will impress people (so maybe the VGAs, or possibly even next year).

I hope I‘m wrong of course, but right now my expectations aren’t particularly high for a possible deep dive in the near future.

 

[The Eradicator]

BGS didn't make Fallout 76, and, as I said, Fallout 4 wasn't to my tastes, but it reviewed and sold very well. I'm not sure what we're discussing?

BGS DID make Fallout 76. The Maryland team is all over the credits. Fanboys have turned the Austin studio into the scapegoat, but that is pure revisionist history.

 

[Amiga]

Called it in 2021.
Many 2023 games are delayed 2022 games.

Can't remember a slate so poor across platforms. This is when we really see the effects of COVID on development studios. The games we were getting so far were most likely already a long way into development when the pandemic hit. But launch of new projects seem to have been stalled. This may push publishers to delay some 2022 games to 2023.

 

[Jaybe]

Funny to think that Sony was reportedly trying to buy Starfield timed exclusivity from Bethesda before MS acquired them. Then Bethesda releases two games with timed exclusivity on PlayStation and pushes back Starfield further.

 

[Fredrik]

8 hours of good sleep. It feels better now. Now I’ll have more time for Elden Ring. And I stopped playing Horizon Forbidden West when Elden Ring came, maybe I have time to continue my playthrough now, I know I’ll hit a big git gud wall sooner or later in ER.
Hopefully God of War Ragnarök arrives at least, the last big game of 2022.

 

[onesvenus]

People are overreacting. We still don't know if they have something in place for this year. People will find out in june

I don't think we are. It has been a shitty first half of the year and now, the only two first party games announced for the second half have been moved to 2023.
Might they have some surprise announcements? They better hope so. Will that be enough? I don't think so. There's no single game that can make for this clusterfuck of year at Microsoft.

But yeah, let's wait until 12

 

[onesvenus]

Where the fuck to begin????????????????

1. Redfall delay. I have said numerous times that I was always expecting Redfall to be delayed to 2023. February/March was my prediction. Give them an extra six months and stay away from the packed Fall/Holiday season. So no surprise here whatsoever. At least, not for me. When it releases in 2023 I guess is an entirely different conversation. Hoping that there's NO release date for Redfall's gameplay trailer at the Xbox and Bethesda Games Showcase because well, if the following game can have a release date 18 months and get delayed, then what's the point in announcing a release date now??? I say show gameplay in June, hope it's a good showing and then wait until The Game Awards to announce a release date if it's before June 2023. If it's after June 2023, just wait until next June's showcase.

2. Starfield delay. If there was one single game in 2022 that I didn't believe would get delayed to 2023, it was this game. When you give an actual release date 18 months prior, in my mind, it's like, okay, they're extremely confident, you know like 100% fucking confident in hitting that date. Otherwise, why give a release date? Makes no sense to me. If you're not 100% certain no matter what, don't give a release date. As for the game itself, im not a Bethesda Game Studios fan. I am a fan of Arkane, Machine Games and Tango Gameworks though. Excluding a few hours of Fallout 4 years ago, I have never played a single BGS game. This was going to be the first BGS game that I was going to play and give a legitimate chance to. Obviously, this game must have some serious issues and people thought it was releasing in Fall 2021. Hahaha. Hoping the gameplay trailer in June at least looks good and the foundation is there. If it shows like Halo Infinite in July 2020, they should pull it from the showcase in my opinion. I'm going on record right now and saying that Starfield will release in November 2023. I believe that it will get a full one year delay just like Halo Infinite.

3. Bad PR. After this past weekend's outage and DRM nightmare, delaying not just Redfall since I don't believe that would have mattered much in the grand scheme of things but also Starfield is just piling on after last weekend. Microsoft should have waited until after the showcase to delay Starfield. Redfall they could have put a new release date on it in June when they show gameplay and post-show, be like, yeah, they needed another six months or whatever. But for Starfield, I would have waited until July to delay it. Let Xbox fans have a great showcase, stay hyped and excited and then delay the game because if you're excited after the showcase for whatever reasons, at least it wouldn't be as bad in my opinion because there would be so much to look forward to in the future.

4. Empty and dead 2022. This is pathetic. All these fucking studios (excluding ABK since they don't own them yet) and they can't even release any games. This reminds me of the Xbox Series launch where all they had was Gears Tactics and that's it. This year, Xbox fans will get a Deathloop port. Yay!!! (sarcasm). I know people expect Forza Motorsport and I will be honest, I would not be shocked or surprised if it gets delayed to 2023. UGH. This year is definitely giving 2017 Xbox One a run for it's money. lol

5. Mismanagement and leadership issues. Seriously, how many fucking times does someone have to see negative after negative before realizing, holy shit, there may be some serious fucking management issues? And the more studios they add, the harder it's going to be to manage them all. It's like they bit off more than they can chew. I also don't understand how there could be miscommunication issues which is definitely apparent here because how do they start marketing Starfield knowing that it's probably getting delayed? In all honesty, they don't seem to have a clue as what they should be doing. I understand being hands-off in the creative process after green-lighting a game but they should be hands-on and require updates at least every three months. Like, hey, what's your progress? How's the game coming along? Do you need anything? More money, more personnel, more resources? I like David Jaffe and while I don't always agree with him, he's 100% right in this regard because as of now, it looks like fucking amateur hour at Microsoft in regards to Xbox.

6. Phil Spencer. I like Phil but he's too relaxed and laid back. He needs to be more strict. Granted, he's probably a generation away from retirement and has setup a great foundation to build on but at this point, there needs to be some results and games getting released. And I don't care what 2021 was. That means nothing to me now. Spencer and company need to get their shit in order, period because if not, all this investment, acquiring studios and publisher will be for nothing.

7. Xbox and Bethesda Games Showcase. While majority will probably disagree with me but as an Xbox fan, I DON'T want to see any new game reveals from their first party studios at all. Show me fucking gameplay for the games that have been announced the last two fucking years. Don't show me a fucking CGI trailer for a game that's 3 years from showing gameplay and another two years before it actually if we're lucky. No, just fucking no. Hold back showing new games until they're literally within 18 months from release. I don't need to know games are coming out in 5 years. I want to know what's coming out sooner rather than later.

8. 2023 and beyond. This is perhaps the only upside and positive. If in 2023, Microsoft actually releases 4+ exclusives and all of them are great, then awesome, the future goes back to being bright instead of dark like it is right now but at the same time, they all really need to get their shit together because having nothing at launch outside of Gears Tactics, nothing in the first half of 2021 and thus far, nothing in 2022 is simply unacceptable.

That's enough of my fucking rant. Worse part is that im not even really pissed off, more so, im so damn disappointed and letdown because it's like, every time, you want believe that Microsoft has finally righted the ship, nope, here's another fuck up that makes you think, how do they not have their shit in order? I can fully understand a few studios having issues (like 343 as an example) but JFC, it's like they all have fucking problems and issues. I just don't get it. I really don't.

UGH. What a shitty day for gaming. At least for me. Oh well.

EDIT - I knew I forgot to say something. With no potential exclusives this Fall outside of probably the Deathloop port, Microsoft needs to go after Gotham knights and Avatar to be in Game Pass day fucking one because other than getting major top tier AAA titles into the service at release, I don't see how anything else can even come close to making up for delaying Starfield and to a lesser extent, Redfall. UGH.

Bravo

 

[Filben]

Shocked.

 

[Handel]

Take all the time you need, with a gigantic game like this I'd prefer it to have some more polishing passes then other games. Have a huge backlog anyways without trying to fit a several hundred hour plunge into my schedule.

It'll be fun watching the 2023 scheduling chicken take place due to all these delays. Starfield, BOTW2, and the incoming delays of GOW Ragnarok and FFXVI will lead to a very packed first half of the year.

The fact that they’re announcing this delay now, instead of waiting until their summer showcase, makes me wonder if we might not be getting that Starfield deep dive we were hoping for. Wouldn’t it make more sense to announce Starfield‘s delay immediately after they’ve wowed everyone with an in-depth look at the gameplay? The bad news would’ve been mostly drowned out by all the excitement – assuming, of course, that the gameplay they‘ve showed looked great.

And that brings me to my question: what if whatever Bethesda was preparing to show just doesn’t look very good? I‘m sure Phil Spencer wants to avoid another first showing like Halo Infinite, so I wouldn‘t be surprised if all we‘re getting from Starfield during the XBox showcase is another in-engine trailer (maybe with a few gameplay snippets of the protagonist shooting at things, but that‘s it). In that case it would make sense for them not to wait until the showcase to announce the delay, since showing just a another trailer and announcing a delay at the same time would definitely not be well received. Which means proper gameplay probably won‘t be shown until they‘re confident that it will impress people (so maybe the VGAs, or possibly even next year).

I hope I‘m wrong of course, but right now my expectations aren’t particularly high for a possible deep dive in the near future.

You want to have the bad news before the good in these scenarios, preferably well in advance so that people have had time to cool down to then be hyped by the good news in the form of the in-depth gameplay look/full reveal, and then the good news is the lasting impression being the last thing people have heard about Starfield. If you announce the delay alongside/right after the reveal then people come away with mixed feelings, rather than purely positive ones.

 

[xBlueStonex]

Yet another game delay in a time where game devs demand to "work" from home. WFH is a joke, period. The sooner we get all development back to the office, the sooner we get quality releases on time again.

 

[Inemosz]

Games being delayed is always a good news.

 

[sendit]

Bethesda also officially announced an update to Deathloop today:

 

[Shmunter]

Bethesda also officially announced an update to Deathloop today:

Does Phil know these guys are still moonlighting adding features on the PS5 kits?

 

[UnNamed]

Next gen launched in 2020
Next gen start in 2023.

 

[NiiloPielinen]

Looks like Starfield might not be a buggy mess then.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Thanks. Appreciate it.

I didn't own a Saturn until 2000 when I was working at Blockbuster and they happened to have a Saturn console brand new that was never rented. I bought it for $50!!! I was so happy!!! Since I didn't own it until then, I don't remember much from back then for Sega Saturn except for Sega releasing at $400 in July 1995 to get ahead of Sony's PlayStation and it didn;t go well at all. I also remember people saying that Saturn was a 2D console with dual processors or some shit that was a pain in the ass to develop for while PlayStation was a 3D console that for the most part, easy to develop for.

Also didn't have a Saturn at the time, I only really started playing its library within the past five years tbh, but I've done a lot of research on its history and both of those things were definitely true. $400 launch (granted, it came with a pack-in game and built-in storage; PS1 did not and you had to buy a memory card if you wanted to save any game progress), and it was notoriously difficult to program for. GameHut channel on YT has some great videos on Saturn programming (including things like its DSP).

I had Hellblade 2 as the big November 2023 game but now, I'll be honest, I think every game gets pushed back at least six months if not more. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that this is a recurring issue. It never ends. Every time I think things are going pretty well, boom, a fuck up and here we are. They also don't plan out anything. I'm not expecting any exclusives this Fall for Xbox except for the Deathloop port.

It's the management at the upper branches, it's probably that simple tbh. Not just at the individual studios (well, some of them anyway, like 343i), but in Xbox division, even. I sometimes get the feeling the whole thing with Xbox getting support cut back during the 2016 - 2017 or so period is true, but in even more damning ways.

Like, freezes on 9th-gen console R&D kind of ways, freezes on 1P software development kind of ways, freezes on securing 3P exclusivity contracts kind of ways. And they only probably started investing seriously in the division again after GamePass (and Spencer being able to convince Nadella on Xbox's future via Azure cloud and game subscriptions/streaming), so likely late 2017.

Which kind of lines up with the very first Project Scarlett (and PS5/Oberon) leak coming out early 2018.

I'm not a fan of timed console exclusives but Microsoft should try to get Gotham Knights, Avatar or something exclusive for a year or at the very least, get them day one on Game Pass. They should really do something but they didn't do anything for launch to replace Halo Infinite so I doubt they will do anything to replace Starfield and to a much lesser extent Redfall.

If Gotham Knights isn't tied up in a comarketing deal with Sony then yeah, it is probably their best bet. Even if it is, they should just pay Sony out even it that would increase the price. But I also just remembered that Ark 2 is still supposed to come this year? So they might still have something for Xbox and GamePass in terms of a big AAA game after all, we'll have to see.

Otherwise yeah, there's really nothing else they can bring out this year to suddenly replace Starfield or RedFall.

The fact that they’re announcing this delay now, instead of waiting until their summer showcase, makes me wonder if we might not be getting that Starfield deep dive we were hoping for. Wouldn’t it make more sense to announce Starfield‘s delay immediately after they’ve wowed everyone with an in-depth look at the gameplay? The bad news would’ve been mostly drowned out by all the excitement – assuming, of course, that the gameplay they‘ve showed looked great.

And that brings me to my question: what if whatever Bethesda was preparing to show just doesn’t look very good? I‘m sure Phil Spencer wants to avoid another first showing like Halo Infinite, so I wouldn‘t be surprised if all we‘re getting from Starfield during the XBox showcase is another in-engine trailer (maybe with a few gameplay snippets of the protagonist shooting at things, but that‘s it). In that case it would make sense for them not to wait until the showcase to announce the delay, since showing just a another trailer and announcing a delay at the same time would definitely not be well received. Which means proper gameplay probably won‘t be shown until they‘re confident that it will impress people (so maybe the VGAs, or possibly even next year).

I hope I‘m wrong of course, but right now my expectations aren’t particularly high for a possible deep dive in the near future.

Well, there was that leak from a supposed Bethesda ex-employee who said the game was in a "rough" state, that the combat was bad/not smooth and the flight wasn't great either. That they were considering cutting content to make the original date (which of course has now been delayed), etc. They might've been proven correct now with this latest news.

I'm also kind of curious if gameplay for both games at the showcase is more a short trailer-like thing mixed in with cutscene footage. Because I don't know if a deeper dive really makes sense anymore when the game (this is for both Starfield and RedFall) is being pushed potentially so far back.

Bethesda also officially announced an update to Deathloop today:

Talk about rubbing salt in the wound ☹...

 

[GenericUser]

Kinda sad that Starfield will not make it in 2022. But if the game is not ready by the end of 2022, what are they supposed to do? Release it in a absolute broken state? I prefer a good, honest delay over that. Cyberpunk and other games showed me how bad this can turn out.

 

[John Wick]

I hope to see the same energy in the Ragnarok thread

Have Sony committed to a release date? No
Also Sony has shown more of Ragnarok than MS has of Starfield beside CGI and concept art. That should have given you a hint as to how far in development Starfield was.....

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Well, there was that leak from a supposed Bethesda ex-employee who said the game was in a "rough" state, that the combat was bad/not smooth and the flight wasn't great either. That they were considering cutting content to make the original date (which of course has now been delayed), etc.

Very... interesting framing of what the dude said about the game. He was 95% positive about it, but you make it sound like it's the biggest piece of shit ever. You could work for CNN

 

[John Wick]

Worst news ever, not surprised at Redfall but they were still maintaining Starfield was coming November very recently, that's a bad look.
They both better look good this time next month and they better have something for this year.

Aww poor Riky....
I think the delay might be related to the VRS tier 2 update.
Don't worry they will have plenty of CGI video to show for future games which will be smooth what with your VRR enabled TV....

 

[John Wick]

Does this guy ever find good news for MS related content?

Yep let's blame Jason now.....

 

[Zeroing]

Bethesda also officially announced an update to Deathloop today:

They seem more efficient when working with Sony... sorry I could not resist.

 

[geary]

During 2021 and 2022 how many games were delayed? I think more than half of the games which had a release date announced were delayed afterwards. It's not a MS or Bethesda problem, it's a industry problem due to the context in which are now (pandemic, UK war, developers shortage, employee fluctuations, change in console generation, engine updates for new gen etc).

 

[GHG]

Jason said it would have been a Cyberpunk situation if it was released in 2022:

Delays mean nothing these days. Cyberpunk was delayed and it still came out all Cyberpunkish.

Bethesda also officially announced an update to Deathloop today:

Lmao the replies. Done of these guys are actually in pain.

 

[IDKFA]

Elder Scrolls VI in 2027 then.

 

[Data Ghost]

Ah its okay, I would rather them take the time with this and release it when they are happy, not when they are forced to. I mean there's plenty of time.....Unless Putin unleashes his nuclear holocaust or a new variant of Covid wipes us off the earth. Aside from those things its all gravy baby.

 

[Helghan]

Does Phil know these guys are still moonlighting adding features on the PS5 kits?

You are aware Bethesda isn't a single team of 10 people creating games, right? Huge company, consisting out of even more companies, working on different projects. You don't just drop any support from Arkane on a game that came out a year ago to help on Redfall.

 

[Shmunter]

You are aware Bethesda isn't a single team of 10 people creating games, right? Huge company, consisting out of even more companies, working on different projects. You don't just drop any support from Arkane on a game that came out a year ago to help on Redfall.

I wasn’t aware of that

 

[arvfab]

Elder Scrolls VI in 2027 then.

Before or after the 1 year delay?

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Yep let's blame Jason now.....

And was I blaming him for the delay?

 

[cormack12]

I can understand Starfield more tbh, given the scope and scale of it. But was kind of hoping they were sure of themselves giving that date.

More surprised by Redfall, that doesn't look like an overly complex game. Just a big PvE map I think with some quest givers? Can only think assets are to blame

 

[jroc74]

Talk about rubbing salt in the wound ☹...

Like a pound of salt.

Welp, the Xbox showcase will certainly be interesting. So many questions, so lil time.

 

[azertydu91]

What about for the people who already played those games and were depending on Starfield to drop this November? They're now short a game, that seemed like a lock.



Great and honest post man, respect the effort. I agree on Starfield slipping into H2 2023 as well, especially if Avowed and Hellblade II aren't ready by that point.

Also, I can't help but see so many parallels now between MS with Xbox series (in terms of mismanagement, slipping release dates, development issues etc.) and Sega during the Saturn era in NA & Europe regions, but that's just from quickly looking at things. Not gonna get deep into that here (and this is as someone who has come to love the Saturn's library after the fact).



Well once Bloodborne dropped it was hit after hit; before that it was kind of scattershot tbh and XBO arguably had better exclusives from the 2013-pre Bloodborne period (outside of some solid PS4 exclusives like Infamous Second Son, Resogun etc.).

Kind of shows how quickly XBO's momentum petered out in 8th gen.



Keep in mind Grubb nor the other "insiders" came out ahead of these delays or speculated ANYTHING regarding them until after the fact, so I wouldn't take any word from any of them as being worth listening to more than any average poster on the forum.

Starfield is probably closer to late Spring 2023 at earliest; if Avowed and Hellblade II aren't ready for 2023 though, then Starfield's going to be Fall 2023. RedFall probably has a better chance coming out sooner than Starfield; it's less ambitious and is a live-service GaaS so even if it launches kind of weak they can promise to improve it with content updates. So that's the one that'll probably hit closer to Q1 2023, Q2 at latest.

Oh you mean the games that were greenlit when Mattrick was in charge ?I know you have no problem with this I just find it funny that when spencer were in charge their studios and exclusives took a nosedive but he is viewed as the savior.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Bethesda also officially announced an update to Deathloop today:

The biggest Xbox game of the year gets delayed until potentially 31st of December 2023 and these clowns are wasting time on PlayStation themed avatars. You can't make it up.

 

[Umbasaborne]

Like a pound of salt.

Welp, the Xbox showcase will certainly be interesting. So many questions, so lil time.

I bet this delay happened after the showcase was put togeather. Phil and Matt are probably scrambling right now to get something, anything they can to fill the two massive holes that are in their calendar this year. Wouldnt be surprised to see some last minute day one game pass deals for games like gotham knights or avatar, call of duty and hogwarts have playstation money i think.