RoboFu
One of the green rats
We will see … all the cores on the new ryzen are boost cores and they don’t thermal throttle . If intel comes back with only the best 2 cores boost with throttling then they may have an issue.
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Zen 4 reviews
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We will see … all the cores on the new ryzen are boost cores and they don’t thermal throttle . If intel comes back with only the best 2 cores boost with throttling then they may have an issue.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I don't really think it matters tbh. Intel and AMD fans both have hardware to be happy with, for arguments online they can both cherry pick favorable benchmarks to feel superior. It's win/win.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I’m just looking at these cpu and gpu makers with insane power draws and heat while apple is getting very close scores with their cpu/gpu/ram on one chip at 40w.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Well yeah mother board and ddr 5 prices are high. Intel’s will be as well. Nothings going to be cheap now.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Yeah no kidding it's pretty crazy watching those Apple SoC's tackle legit productivity workloads while just sipping on the power, meanwhile in the PC space you're just hoping you can cool the bitch.I’m just looking at these cpu and gpu makers with insane power draws and heat while apple is getting very close scores with their cpu/cpu/ ram on one chip at 40w.
Leonidas
Member
Good thing 13th Gen can use DDR4 and older 600 series boards will be much cheaper than the new boards. I saw a Z690 board with BIOS flashback a few days ago for $140.Well yeah mother board and ddr 5 prices are high. Intel’s will be as well. Nothings going to be cheap now.
As a result 13th Gen will be way cheaper (if you already have DDR4). 12th Gen even cheaper.
twilo99
Member
Well yeah mother board and ddr 5 prices are high. Intel’s will be as well. Nothings going to be cheap now.
Sucks, but hopefully those board and mem prices come down quickly after launch.
For right now, it seems like 5600x and the 5800x3d are great options, that is, if you want AMD, if not, Intel has some really good alternatives.
I don't think we will see a better performance per watt CPU than the 5600x anytime soon.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
We (me and the 5900x) will get through these trying times while I wait for the 3d variants.
We're all in this together!
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Intel 13th gen isnt DDR5 or even Z790 locked.Well yeah mother board and ddr 5 prices are high. Intel’s will be as well. Nothings going to be cheap now.
You can use 13th gen with DDR4 and B660/Z690.....im sure we will see H motherboards get support for 13th gen.
So the value preposition for the "current" gen will firmly be in Intels court.......assuming they dont decide to charge a million dollars for 13th gen CPUs.
Otherwise if value is what you are after and all you do is gaming but still want alittle "future proofing":
Chiggs
Member
"Hurt" as in reach 400watts TDP to slightly best the 7950, leading AMD to just slap Vcache on a mid-gen refresh?
Also, the 7950's scores are insane. It's a fucking monster.
Yeah but the Intel CPU is drawing 300W to achieve near (more like less) the performance level of Zen 4.
From LTT
I literally can't wait for Raptor Lake. It's going to be pure magma spilling out of the test PCs.
Yeah, because those "pros" at DF certainly know more about PC testing than Linus or Gamers Nexus.
Faust
- can we get an edit to the title? Should be Zen 4; not Ryzen 4.
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Neo_game
Member
"Hurt" as in reach 400watts TDP to slightly best the 7950, leading AMD to just slap Vcache on a mid-gen refresh?
Also, the 7950's scores are insane. It's a fucking monster.
I literally can't wait for Raptor Lake. It's going to be pure magma spilling out of the test PCs.
Yeah, because those "pros" at DF certainly know more about PC testing than Linus or Gamers Nexus.
I do not think that one synthetic benchmark is enough to come to conclusion. According to these 7600X is not much better than 12600K.
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review - Affordable Zen 4 for Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X is the company's most affordable offering for the Zen 4 family. Our review of the 7600X confirms that this new $300 CPU offers huge performance gains over Zen 3, and can even beat the Ryzen 5800X3D in gaming. In applications, the 7600X is faster than the Intel Core i9-11900K.
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review - Affordable Zen 4 for Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X is the company's most affordable offering for the Zen 4 family. Our review of the 7600X confirms that this new $300 CPU offers huge performance gains over Zen 3, and can even beat the Ryzen 5800X3D in gaming. In applications, the 7600X is faster than the Intel Core i9-11900K.
13600K with 14 cores instead of 10 though they are E core but still an upgrade, it will have also have slightly higher boost frequency and cache. I think it is going to be popular CPU.
Chiggs
Member
I think it will be, too. I also think the power draw is going to be nuts, especially since Intel is flirting with 6 and 7 ghz.
Thanks, mods. Appreciate the title change.
supernova8
Banned
My takeaway was that as someone on a B450 motherboard with just a measly 3400G, there's plenty of room to upgrade within my current system (add more RAM sticks, update the BIOS and get a 5800X3D, get a solidly powerful GPU) without completely changing over to a new platform. Plus the 5800X3D will hopefully come down in price whenever AMD releases the 7800X3D (supposedly Q1 2023?)
I'd rather wait to see what the Ryzen 9800X3D can do in a few years time, plus DDR5 prices will be way cheaper by then.
I'd rather wait to see what the Ryzen 9800X3D can do in a few years time, plus DDR5 prices will be way cheaper by then.
lostinblue
Banned
These new chips are beasts for productivity. This pleases me. For gaming they're not worth the upgrade for most people.
Sadly AMD went nuts on power consumption to win a few game benchmarks against Intel. This is because they're so close, and it's crap because we live in a world where entry point CPU's should be 35W default and mid range 65W.
DDR5 prices are still fucked up. I wonder how they'll limit adoption and increase end price.
Sadly AMD went nuts on power consumption to win a few game benchmarks against Intel. This is because they're so close, and it's crap because we live in a world where entry point CPU's should be 35W default and mid range 65W.
DDR5 prices are still fucked up. I wonder how they'll limit adoption and increase end price.
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crackajack
Member
I wonder what stops AMD to do this on their own. They are clearly aiming at beast mode and adding better cooling would possibly again allow some additional Hertz with increased voltage. Whatever liquid direct something something costs, these are anyway expensive parts, th etarget audience pays top dollar already. At least the top CPUs could be done in that way as "extreme" editions.
ratburger
Member
Which seems fitting, considering the feature sizes are similar to TSMC's 7nm and definitely much better than TSMC's 10nm.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I’m thinking I should just upgrade to a 5800X3D. That or just keep on trucking with my 3600, since better shit is always around the corner?
Not really keen on dropping big money on a new Motherboard, DDR5, and a CPU.
Not really keen on dropping big money on a new Motherboard, DDR5, and a CPU.
winjer
Gold Member
Companies like AMD and Intel started adding HIS to protect CPUs. An exposed CPU is more likely to break during installation of a cooler.
When the HIS is relatively thin and has a good thermal conductor, it's not a problem.
But when the HIS is too thick like on Zen4, or when it uses rubbish Tim, like on some Intel CPUs, then it can become a real issue.
Bojji
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For gaming above 1080p there’s barely any difference between high end CPUs.
That's not true at all for actually CPU heavy games, most reviewers are shit are reviewing.
Digital foundry makes good CPU tests.
crackajack
Member
Ah, direct contact means removing the IHS? Okay, that is maybe a bit too special to sell such parts if it increases the risk of ruining it, although I can't remember if eg. Athlon XPs suffered much from slapping the cooler directly on it as a default. Maybe current chips are just different somehow, APU design, whatever. Whatever it is, losing 20° because something is not optimal still sounds dumb and in opoosition to pushing this chip to extreme temperatures to have max. performance, be better than Intel.
winjer
Gold Member
Those old CPUs had higher RMA rates because of broken chips.
The HIS seems to be particularly bad on Zen4. For example, der8auer also delidded a Zen2 and the diference was just 4ºc.
lostinblue
Banned
Yeah, I don't know why they went with that design and implementation.
The numbers I've seen remind me of the Skylake/Kaby Lake heatspreader. Surely there's a huge gap there?
Granted, that's why both manufacturers don't do away with them. But the surprising part is how ineffectively designed it seems to be judging from the jump from taking it off.
They seem to have made the decision to be aggressive in watts for those extra points in benchmarks, one has to wonder if they had a better HIS design, or skipped it, if they could run the CPU's with less watts for the same performance. sustained turbo clocks increase after all, for light scenarios that could have meant same performance, less watts.
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winjer
Gold Member
Supposedly to maintain compatibility with previous coolers and AIO´s.
Maybe as an attempt to make upgrading to Zen4 less costly in these things.
But the trade off is terrible. A really bad decision.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I would hope that by this time next year DDR5 prices will come down but at this rate everything vital (CPU/GPU/MB/PSU/RAM) is going to be more expensive. What would be a maybe $2000 base will like increase another 500-1000.
It's disappointing that DDR4 isn't compatible so you are forced to get the more expensive choice.
crackajack
Member
They thickened their heat spreader (the thermal pad beneath?), instead of making whatever the pcb-like-thingy is called where the chip sits on thicker? Maybe some future designs need more space for actually thicker chips than the previous sockel, so the sockel itself got thinner, to make it compatible, but still no reason to thicken the wrong piece which apparantly loses effectiveness.
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winjer
Gold Member
lostinblue
Banned
It's disappointing for me that they fluked the DDR5 standard so much. Motherboards are losing I/O as are laptops, integrated OEM PC's, mini desktops, etc. Everything is getting more integrated.
And then they dump on you, huge dimms, bigger than M.2 ssd's who take a lot of real estate with no real benefit other than theoretical density over the smaller laptop sticks, density hasn't been a problem since DDR2. Dimm size is unchanged since DDR1 at least, and it's not like it's due to compatibility.
IMO, the server dimms with code correcting stuff should still exist but normal motherboards and cpu's should migrate to laptop memory size (the upgrade market is sadly shrinking in the first place) and those dimms this gen should have been LPDDR5 instead of ddr5. If they really wanted huge dimms then make it standard the spacing between slots so you can buy an optional "dual dimm" or something. With the space of two dimms on a ITX motherboard you could put 4 dimms, what's not to like.
LPDDR5 uses less energy than DDR5 (so better for laptops going forward as well as mini pcs - but sadly this means soldered which is a nice excuse for companies like Apple to take serviceability away from customer), and this gen would most likely be cheaper because it skips the ECC chip that is making DDR5 expensive in the first place. LPDDR is the future for home computing so I want LPDDR on a stick.
TLDR; Server DDR5 and LPDDR5, they should have done away with the standard DDR5 memory as well as the big form factory that it commands. It only creates further market segmentation. And the ECC component should have been skipped or made optional. It's a great option to have, ECC, but not at the cost of a memory increase for everyone.
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Unknown Soldier
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Looks like dropping a 5800X3D in my existing AM4 machine was the right call. My 5800X3D + 3090 setup ought to be fine until Zen 6 and RTX 50 series.
Get yours while they're hot! I doubt AMD is going to keep selling them much longer. They probably didn't have a big production run. When they're gone, they're gone!
Get yours while they're hot! I doubt AMD is going to keep selling them much longer. They probably didn't have a big production run. When they're gone, they're gone!
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Intel is literally announcing their new CPUs in a few hours and you decide to use this clickbait title?
I wish the world wasnt so stupid that even quality videos need to have clickbait titles and shit.
We can with some accuracy gauge where RPL will stack up vs Zen4 just based on ADL vs RPL slides that Intel will provide.
Anyone want to take bets Intel does some big balls shit and actually uses Zen4 in some of their slides?
winjer
Gold Member
WTF is wrong with you?
Several outlets are still releasing videos reviewing Zen4. And this is one of them.
Besides, Raptor Lake only releases a month from now. That is when there will be comparisons between the two.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
i mean thats intel and nvidia tactics. people dont seem to care.
twilo99
Member
I guess that’s true. It seems like efficiency doesn’t matter much for most people.
There are rumors that AMD might push the power envelope on the top end RDNA3 die pretty far..
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Calm down junior.
My beef isnt with the content its with the clickbait titles/thumbnails.
I know they have to release this content now-ish cuz Intel having their event day of of embrago drops is to try steal the new cycle.
Claiming a performance crown the day a new CPU is being announced is straight clickbait.
It could easily have just said 7950X review, with a picture of the die.
No need to have "New Performance King" plastered all over the thumbnails, when that could be false in a few hours.
As I said, i wish the world/youtube didnt need creators to use clickbait but it is what it is.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 7950X Review - OC3D
Guardians of the Galaxy If the Avengers game was a crash course in what not to do with a live-service game, Guardians of the Galaxy is a step back towards something you might feel actually rewards your time. Plus it looks great. Â Â
Luckily you can put it in Eco mode and get almost the same performance with way lower power consumption.
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winjer
Gold Member
For now, it's the performance king. Might only last a month, or not.
Doesn't matter if you like the title or not.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Deffo grabbing a 13900KS when it launches for my Z690 - Thing will be a beast and should last me years.
I think its crazy to have a CPU thats made to run at 95 degrees 24/7...what a time to be alive.....
I think its crazy to have a CPU thats made to run at 95 degrees 24/7...what a time to be alive.....
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winjer
Gold Member
AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 7950X Review - OC3D
Guardians of the Galaxy If the Avengers game was a crash course in what not to do with a live-service game, Guardians of the Galaxy is a step back towards something you might feel actually rewards your time. Plus it looks great. Â Âwww.overclock3d.net
Luckily you can put it in Eco mode and get almost the same performance with way lower power consumption.
And by the look of it, the performance in games is almost the same.
GymWolf
Member
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Hahaha.Deffo grabbing a 13900KS when it launches for my Z690 - Thing will be a beast and should last me years.
I think its crazy to have a CPU thats made to run at 95 degrees 24/7...what a time to be alive.....
I knew these memes were gonna be coming as soon as reviews hit.
Being able to stick 1700 right into existing Z690s is probably Intels godsend for this generation.
We need to see AMDs "cheaper" motherboards.
I’m just looking at these cpu and gpu makers with insane power draws and heat while apple is getting very close scores with their cpu/gpu/ram on one chip at 40w.
Lot of misinformation were spread about the Apple M1. Now that AMD also has 5 nm CPUs, it would be interesting to compare again.