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Insane Metal
Member
What in the fuck?!? 50 watts?? Holy shit AMD, you motherfuckers. Put a XXXX3D CPU on nextgen consoles please.
Leonidas
Member
That doesn't sound right...
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I definitely suck the very high refresh. I feel like 200+ is high vs the 4k144 I'm at with no it or and 4k120 with TV. I agree.
HoofHearted
Member
Insane on the efficiency…
Though I needed moar cores so went with the 7950x for now… had the 7950x3D in hand but free RAM with the 7950x changed my mind…
Though I needed moar cores so went with the 7950x for now… had the 7950x3D in hand but free RAM with the 7950x changed my mind…
Kataploom
Gold Member
Ok, I'll fix it: Most PC players play at 1080p, a lot of them also prefer high refresh rates on high end 1080p monitors, others just happen to have one cheap monitor but decent rig.
I see it every day on my own circles.
supernova8
Banned
Not really that interested until B650 boards come down in price. I'm not paying that much for a motherboard (still rocking my B450), not happening, and I'm not playing their game by buying a gimped A620 board that won't properly support all the CPUs.
What I am interested in is seeing what this means for laptop APUs, given the crazy power efficiency and what appears to be a decent performance jump for the RDNA3 iGPU. Fast forward another generation and maybe we'll reach RTX 3050 level performance all on an APU, which would be insane (not everyone wants a 4090).
What I am interested in is seeing what this means for laptop APUs, given the crazy power efficiency and what appears to be a decent performance jump for the RDNA3 iGPU. Fast forward another generation and maybe we'll reach RTX 3050 level performance all on an APU, which would be insane (not everyone wants a 4090).
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I was close to pulling the trigger on a 7950x3d but glad I waited.
Von Hugh
Member
So the 7900X3D and 7950X3D are trash because they are actually worse than 7800X3D. And even worse when you take their prices into account. Weird.
They are better than the 7800X3D in productivity apps, but if they matter to you that much, non-3D processors are not only better but cost less.
Again, weird.
They are better than the 7800X3D in productivity apps, but if they matter to you that much, non-3D processors are not only better but cost less.
Again, weird.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I hope the next console APUs are some form of 3d cache enabled APU. That would be a game changer and has to be getting worked on, surely?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yeah, it was not the right time to keep cost down and clocks up this generation, but its effects on gaming are clear and strong. Helps you boost performance a lot (especially for this kind of SoC’s) and decrease pressure on external main memory bandwidth (which helps reduce power consumption) while also lowering average latency.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Live now. Got one immediately via Amazon US.
baphomet
Member
link?
Needlecrash
Member
WOW. Guess I'll be upgrading to an AMD5 build! Just need DDR5 RAM, a 7800X3d Processor, a 4090/4080Ti and a new 4tb NVME and I'm GOOD.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Just put it on order, won't see it until later April.
Should give me a chance to order the bracket for my AIO.
Should give me a chance to order the bracket for my AIO.
baphomet
Member
Gracias!
Got mine ordered.
For some reason I thought they released in the 20th. I wasn't really expecting to buy this today, but I'm stoked!
Needlecrash
Member
I wonder if there is one for the Lian Li Galahad 240.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Sorry I kind of just refreshed the page by luck around 9:00 bought it and then went right back to work.
I was more relieved that I managed to get one outside of Newegg since they canceled my last CPU order. Good luck to all. All the reviews are overwhelmingly positive if you are using this primarily for gaming. But we all know what time it is, that is what we do here. If you want to go and talk about productivity that's a separate discussion but this is a damn good CPU for gaming. We will see where things shake out as I have a pretty high end am5 motherboard and we'll have a pretty decent upgrade path for a few years hopefully.
hinch7
Member
Another benefit of waiting for mobo's to come down is that the X3D processors rapidly drop in prices anyway. So two birds with one stone. Might be worth looking out for RAM kits though as DRAM manufacterers are almost fire saling chips as memory prices are getting to an all time low.
Next generation Zen (4) processors and 14th gen Intel should bring massive gains in GPU in APU advancements. So much so that it'll mostly make low end GPU's a thing of the past. Making low end pointless like a a 4050, when you could an all in one solution which is cheaper and much more power efficient.
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Reallink
Member
The 3050 is a 10TF part loosely equivalent to a GTX 1080, and still somewhat competitive with a PS5/SX. The current Ryzen 7000s iGPU is around 500Gflops, or broadly equivalent to Nintendo Switch. How in the world do you figure the next gen CPUs are even going to come within an order of magnitude of a 4050? They will be more than a decade behind it. The desktop 4050 will significantly outperform PS5 and SX, and you're proposing a Ryzen 8700 or i7 14700's iGPU is going to render it pointless? Come'on now.
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winjer
Gold Member
The 3050 has 10TFLOPs, but those are not equal in performance to what an RDNA2 TFLOP does.
In reality, the 3050 has similar performance to a 1660Ti. And it's around 15% slower than a GTX1080.
And should be similar to 6.5 TFLOPs in an RDNA2 GPU.
The iGPU on the current 7000s CPUs is very basic, and serves for little else but to display an image and for troubleshooting. AMD has yet to release APUs based on Zen4.
For mobile though, AMD will soon release APUs with the 780M, which should have slightly better performance than a GTX 1650.
An APU is still well behind the 3050, but not by the margin of a "decade".
Reallink
Member
The 780M will do good to be in the same ballpark of a GTX 970 or RX 470/480 in practice (synthetic 3DMark benches already place it a good piece behind them, which are coincidentally 10 year old parts), and they're never going to put that many CU's in a desktop part. You'll be incredibly lucky to get a 4 or 6 CU version in the desktop Ryzen 8000's (i.e. 50-70% lower performance). And I said it would be a decade behind the 4050, which should see around 50% gains on the 3050. So again, no, Intel 14XXX or Ryzen 8000 iGPU's are absolutely not going to come anywhere close to rendering low end dGPU's like a desktop 4050 pointless or obsolete. The 4050 will be MORE than a decade ahead of the cut down iGPU's they put in desktop CPU's.
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winjer
Gold Member
The tests we have are leaks, with unoptimized drivers. So performance might improve.
And you do realize that the difference between a GTX 970 and a 3050 is 50%. For an integrated GPU to be this close, is pretty good.
Unlike the other member you were talking with, I'm not claiming that APUs will catch up to dedicated GPUs. But they are not as far behind as you claimed.
Even the 5700G, from 2021 has much more power than the 500 GFLOPs of the 7000 series you mentioned.
And a potential 7700G will have even more.
hinch7
Member
Didn't say it would approach 4050 performance but it will be enough for most people who use their laptops for some casual gaming. If the 780m reaches 1060 level of performance.
That or spend several hundreds more for a laptop with a entry level DGPU.
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existensmaximum
Member
Amazing performance indeed, just wow! I want to upgrade my Ryzen 5 3600 but I can't justify the price of a new motherboard + RAM on top of the new CPU.. So I'll pick one from the Ryzen 5000 series for now 
supernova8
Banned
Yeah I'm thinking of getting myself a 5800X3D when the time is right. It should give a bit of a performance bump to my 6600 XT, which is likely being held back a bit by my 3400G APU. My only slight concern is BIOS flashing/updating since that's one of the few PC building-related things I've never done.Amazing performance indeed, just wow! I want to upgrade my Ryzen 5 3600 but I can't justify the price of a new motherboard + RAM on top of the new CPU.. So I'll pick one from the Ryzen 5000 series for now
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Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Damn...them AI wars are posting wins ALL OVER the place.
Intel needs to get their "poop in a pile" REAL quick.
Intel needs to get their "poop in a pile" REAL quick.
GreatnessRD
Member
What's your current motherboard?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
My 7800x3D was supposed to be here Thursday and has been upgraded to tomorrow!
Hero_Select
Member
I am doing a complete upgrade of my rig with this beauty and a 4090 and im super excite!
Hero_Select
Member
I've looked arounda decent bit and the Trident Z Neos seems to be pretty good great ram for it. As for mobo.. I kept reading mixed things. In the end I went with an Asrock one
existensmaximum
Member
Flashing the bios is always one of those things that is nerve-racking the first time but always goes well as long as you read the instructions
supernova8
Banned
ASUS B450M, it supports 3000 series but based on my googling it most likely needs a bios update before I can safely use the 5000 series CPUs
daninthemix
Member
People are always begging for new console hardware. It's almost as if the current hardware is never good enough.
Codeblew
Member
People could say the same about PC users. (I am both)
Sakura
Member
I don't really understand the modern CPU market. What exactly is the point of getting CPUs like these? When are you going to be CPU bound in a game?
Benchmarks show games in 1080p no RT etc just so they can show the FPS when CPU bound, but who plays like this? In reality you are going to be GPU bound.
I understand there is an argument for competitive games wanting high framerates, but those games are less demanding in the first place and not difficult to get to high FPS.
Benchmarks show games in 1080p no RT etc just so they can show the FPS when CPU bound, but who plays like this? In reality you are going to be GPU bound.
I understand there is an argument for competitive games wanting high framerates, but those games are less demanding in the first place and not difficult to get to high FPS.
winjer
Gold Member
One metric that is considerably more important that average fps, is minimum fps. The latter shows how smooth a game can run. How well it can maintain a constant frame rate.
Having a good CPU, most of the time doesn't improve average fps that much, but it can improve minimum fps by a lot.
This is what I noticed when moving from a 3700X to a 5800X3D. And it is was a great experience.
The other thing to consider is that most people change GPUs more often than they change CPUs. This happens because changing CPU, a lot of the time, also requires changing motherboard and memory.
So investing in a good CPU, means that a future GPU is less likely to be bottlenecked.
Tarnpanzer
Member
- Emulation
- Flight Sim, other CPU Taxing Strategy-Games
- Push for higher framerates than 60, i.e. 120/144/240 etc. to match your TV/Monitor Refresh Rate
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daninthemix
Member
This is true. For that reason I'm going to do the smart thing, peer straight through the 7800X3D into the future, when I'll enjoy a 9800X3D in 2 years time. Smart!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is not begging for new HW, I see it as trying to future gaze at what the next HW could look like.
I much rather have MS and Sony save every wasted penny in designing and launching Pro consoles and spend all that in R&D for the next generation HW at its proper pace. We need software, engines and tools, to catch up to the current generation HW and allow the next generation HW enough time to deliver the next leap we need.
There is so much more performance we can get out of the current consoles it is not even funny IMHO.
GreatnessRD
Member
Oh yeah, you'll be fine. Asus even has it where it can download and install the BIOS for you in the BIOS menu without you needing to download it through a USB. Pretty straight forward and easy to do. My first BIOS flash was on an Asus Strix B450-F board. Man, time flies when you're having fun.
