That doesn't sound right...Most PC gamers play at 1080p at very high refresh rates
I definitely suck the very high refresh. I feel like 200+ is high vs the 4k144 I'm at with no it or and 4k120 with TV. I agree.That doesn't sound right...
Ok, I'll fix it: Most PC players play at 1080p, a lot of them also prefer high refresh rates on high end 1080p monitors, others just happen to have one cheap monitor but decent rig.That doesn't sound right...
Yeah, it was not the right time to keep cost down and clocks up this generation, but its effects on gaming are clear and strong. Helps you boost performance a lot (especially for this kind of SoC’s) and decrease pressure on external main memory bandwidth (which helps reduce power consumption) while also lowering average latency.I hope the next console APUs are some form of 3d cache enabled APU. That would be a game changer and has to be getting worked on, surely?
link?Live now. Got one immediately via Amazon US.
Newegg has it in stock
I wonder if there is one for the Lian Li Galahad 240.Just put it on order, won't see it until later April.
Should give me a chance to order the bracket for my AIO.
Sorry I kind of just refreshed the page by luck around 9:00 bought it and then went right back to work.Newegg has it in stock
Another benefit of waiting for mobo's to come down is that the X3D processors rapidly drop in prices anyway. So two birds with one stone. Might be worth looking out for RAM kits though as DRAM manufacterers are almost fire saling chips as memory prices are getting to an all time low.Not really that interested until B650 boards come down in price. I'm not paying that much for a motherboard (still rocking my B450), not happening, and I'm not playing their game by buying a gimped A620 board that won't properly support all the CPUs.
What I am interested in is seeing what this means for laptop APUs, given the crazy power efficiency and what appears to be a decent performance jump for the RDNA3 iGPU. Fast forward another generation and maybe we'll reach RTX 3050 level performance all on an APU, which would be insane (not everyone wants a 4090).
Another benefit of waiting for mobo's to come down is that the X3D processors rapidly drop in prices anyway. So two birds with one stone. Might be worth looking out for RAM kits though as DRAM manufacterers are almost fire saling chips as memory prices are getting to an all time low.
Next generation Zen (4) processors and 14th gen Intel should bring massive gains in GPU in APU advancements. So much so that it'll mostly make low end GPU's a thing of the past. Making low end pointless like a a 4050, when you could an all in one solution which is cheaper and much more power efficient.
The 3050 is a 10TF part loosely equivalent to a GTX 1080, and still somewhat competitive with a PS5/SX. The current Ryzen 7000s iGPU is around 500Gflops, or broadly equivalent to Nintendo Switch. How in the world do you figure the next gen CPUs are even going to come within an order of magnitude of a 4050? They will be more than a decade behind it.
The 3050 has 10TFLOPs, but those are not equal in performance to what an RDNA2 TFLOP does.
In reality, the 3050 has similar performance to a 1660Ti. And it's around 15% slower than a GTX1080.
And should be similar to 6.5 TFLOPs in an RDNA2 GPU.
The iGPU on the current 7000s CPUs is very basic, and serves for little else but to display an image and for troubleshooting. AMD has yet to release APUs based on Zen4.
For mobile though, AMD will soon release APUs with the 780M, which should have slightly better performance than a GTX 1650.
An APU is still well behind the 3050, but not by the margin of a "decade".
The 780M will do good to be in the same ballpark of a GTX 970 or RX 470/480 in practice (synthetic 3DMark benches already place it a good piece behind them, which are coincidentally 10 year old parts), and they're never going to put that many CU's in a desktop part. You'll be incredibly lucky to get a 4 or 6 CU version in the desktop Ryzen 8000's (i.e. 50-70% lower performance). And I said it would be a decade behind the 4050, which should see around 50% gains on the 3050. So again, no, Intel 14XXX or Ryzen 8000 iGPU's are absolutely not going to come anywhere close to rendering low end dGPU's like a desktop 4050 pointless or obsolete. The 4050 will be MORE than a decade ahead of the cut down iGPU's they put in desktop CPU's.
Didn't say it would approach 4050 performance but it will be enough for most people who use their laptops for some casual gaming. If the 780m reaches 1060 level of performance.The 3050 is a 10TF part loosely equivalent to a GTX 1080, and still somewhat competitive with a PS5/SX. The current Ryzen 7000s iGPU is around 500Gflops, or broadly equivalent to Nintendo Switch. How in the world do you figure the next gen CPUs are even going to come within an order of magnitude of a 4050? They will be more than a decade behind it. The desktop 4050 will significantly outperform PS5 and SX, and you're proposing a Ryzen 8700 or i7 14700's iGPU is going to render it pointless? Come'on now.
Yeah I'm thinking of getting myself a 5800X3D when the time is right. It should give a bit of a performance bump to my 6600 XT, which is likely being held back a bit by my 3400G APU. My only slight concern is BIOS flashing/updating since that's one of the few PC building-related things I've never done.Amazing performance indeed, just wow! I want to upgrade my Ryzen 5 3600 but I can't justify the price of a new motherboard + RAM on top of the new CPU.. So I'll pick one from the Ryzen 5000 series for now
What's your current motherboard?Yeah I'm thinking of getting myself a 5800X3D when the time is right. It should give a bit of a performance bump to my 6600 XT, which is likely being held back a bit by my 3400G APU. My only slight concern is BIOS flashing/updating since that's one of the few PC building-related things I've never done.
I've looked arounda decent bit and the Trident Z Neos seems to be pretty good great ram for it. As for mobo.. I kept reading mixed things. In the end I went with an Asrock oneSo what's a good mobo/RAM to pair with this right now? Think I'll pull the trigger and upgrade this 10600k.
Flashing the bios is always one of those things that is nerve-racking the first time but always goes well as long as you read the instructionsYeah I'm thinking of getting myself a 5800X3D when the time is right. It should give a bit of a performance bump to my 6600 XT, which is likely being held back a bit by my 3400G APU. My only slight concern is BIOS flashing/updating since that's one of the few PC building-related things I've never done.
ASUS B450M, it supports 3000 series but based on my googling it most likely needs a bios update before I can safely use the 5000 series CPUsWhat's your current motherboard?
People are always begging for new console hardware. It's almost as if the current hardware is never good enough.I hope the next console APUs are some form of 3d cache enabled APU. That would be a game changer and has to be getting worked on, surely?
People could say the same about PC users. (I am both)People are always begging for new console hardware. It's almost as if the current hardware is never good enough.
I don't really understand the modern CPU market. What exactly is the point of getting CPUs like these? When are you going to be CPU bound in a game?
Benchmarks show games in 1080p no RT etc just so they can show the FPS when CPU bound, but who plays like this? In reality you are going to be GPU bound.
I understand there is an argument for competitive games wanting high framerates, but those games are less demanding in the first place and not difficult to get to high FPS.
I don't really understand the modern CPU market. What exactly is the point of getting CPUs like these? When are you going to be CPU bound in a game?
Benchmarks show games in 1080p no RT etc just so they can show the FPS when CPU bound, but who plays like this? In reality you are going to be GPU bound.
I understand there is an argument for competitive games wanting high framerates, but those games are less demanding in the first place and not difficult to get to high FPS.
This is true. For that reason I'm going to do the smart thing, peer straight through the 7800X3D into the future, when I'll enjoy a 9800X3D in 2 years time. Smart!People could say the same about PC users. (I am both)
It is not begging for new HW, I see it as trying to future gaze at what the next HW could look like.People are always begging for new console hardware. It's almost as if the current hardware is never good enough.
Oh yeah, you'll be fine. Asus even has it where it can download and install the BIOS for you in the BIOS menu without you needing to download it through a USB. Pretty straight forward and easy to do. My first BIOS flash was on an Asus Strix B450-F board. Man, time flies when you're having fun.ASUS B450M, it supports 3000 series but based on my googling it most likely needs a bios update before I can safely use the 5000 series CPUs
Oh yeah, you'll be fine. Asus even has it where it can download and install the BIOS for you in the BIOS menu without you needing to download it through a USB. Pretty straight forward and easy to do. My first BIOS flash was on an Asus Strix B450-F board. Man, time flies when you're having fun.