Far worse people are left unpnished because the allies won the war. I say he is too old to face charges for something that happened 60 years ago.
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is the reason our world is so fucked up.
Far worse people are left unpnished because the allies won the war. I say he is too old to face charges for something that happened 60 years ago.
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is the reason our world is so fucked up.
And Paul Warfield Tibbets Jr received the Distinguished Service Cross for piloting the enola gay and dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing 90,000166,000 as a direct result of his mission.
So, what happens if he gets prosecuted and found guilty?
That's not justice. That's revenge. Our system is not built for petty vengeance.
I'd prefer war criminals not be able to just turn 94 and then laugh at the fact they weren't caught.
And curl his moustache and tip his top hat after leaving a tied up dame on the train tracks, right?
You guys make it seem like he was the Red Fucking Skull. He was probably just following orders.
are you pretending like a nazi war criminal is less evil than a damsel-stealing cartoon villain? Frankly your posts in this thread are the most disgusting things I have ever seen on neogaf. clearly you are upset that the jews get all the world's attention for their genocide and the armenians get little for theirs. it sickens me that you are getting some twisted pleasure out of proclaiming "aha jews, it is too late for you to get your justice - just like it is for me." it is not too late to make this man die with his terrible crimes on the forefront of his mind, and it is not too late to remind the world that where justice can be done it will be done. you have no right to try and deny our society this just because you think you have been wronged or ignored.
you are a demented human being.
You are wrong about everything you're saying. Clearly, you shouldn't make judgments about people based on comments on the internet.
I don't believe in villifying people. Maybe I don't believe in evil. And I certainly don't believe a 94 year old man is cackling with glee for getting away with something. So stop deluding yourself.
Then go live in your reductionist, chemical-interaction, all-things-are-justifiable society and leave the administration of punishment for socially-constructed crimes to those of us that still have a stake. good riddance.
I can see you don't have much experience with 90 year olds.
I don't believe in villifying people. Maybe I don't believe in evil.
I can see you don't have much experience with 90 year olds.
Totally agree.
I can understand the bloodlust to a certain extent, but I wonder what all of the self-righteous people calling for a 'painful death' would have done if they were in the same situation that most of these people were in.
Defense force for everything.
Our side won, though, so our war criminals are remembered as heroes.
I can see you don't have much experience with 90 year olds.
Do you think FDR, Truman, and Churchill should've rotted away in cells next to SS commanders?
? there are plenty of heinous 90 year olds out there.I can see you don't have much experience with 90 year olds.
He committed crimes in his past and was never held accountable. He should be and so should everyone. To bad people slip by. Your comments in this thread are very disturbing.
CHEEZMO;64562171 said:-- A person who told people to get off their high horse for wanting a Nazi war criminal brought to justice
Conditions must be met for justice.
You have to make sure that it's justice and not revenge.
When they hung the nazis in Nuremberg, that was more revenge than justice.
Here we have a 94 year old man. We should consider what kind of justice we are to dole out.
Should we execute him? I don't believe in capital punishment.
Should we imprison him? He is 94. What kind of special prison shall they house him in? Will this punishment end up hurting him or just costing us money?
You say my comments are disturbing? I think you guys are disturbing. Your insistence that "justice" must be carried out is no more than a veil for vengeance. Vengeance without meaning or value to society.
I'm sorry I'm not one of those people who publicly wishes for criminals to get raped in prison. And I'm sorry that people who try to empathize with others, or understand them, even if those others are war criminals, are viewed by you guys as being either naive or disgusting people.
You guys should re-evaluate yourselves, because some of your comments are very disgusting and indicative of a blind mob mentality.
Not at all. He should be punished. But keeping it real, is it really?
The goal of justice should be rehabilitation (if you're Norway) or just being removed as a threat to society.
Neither of which applies to him, due to his age.
Then you chose to ignore me and dozens of other posters explaining the rule of law, the necessity for a society to have a memory of its own crimes and you also ignored all the people asking you if you thought the Armenian Genocide should just be forgotten. You're a hypocrite and a selective reader.
SHOULD WE FORGIVE AND FORGET PERPETRATORS AND SUPPORTERS OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?
a. Yes
b. No
WAS THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE EVIL?
a. No
b. Yes
blah blah
Conditions must be met for justice.
You have to make sure that it's justice and not revenge.
When they hung the nazis in Nuremberg, that was more revenge than justice.
Here we have a 94 year old man. We should consider what kind of justice we are to dole out.
Should we execute him? I don't believe in capital punishment.
Should we imprison him? He is 94. What kind of special prison shall they house him in? Will this punishment end up hurting him or just costing us money?
You say my comments are disturbing? I think you guys are disturbing. Your insistence that "justice" must be carried out is no more than a veil for vengeance. Vengeance without meaning or value to society.
I'm sorry I'm not one of those people who publicly wishes for criminals to get raped in prison. And I'm sorry that people who try to empathize with others, or understand them, even if those others are war criminals, are viewed by you guys as being either naive or disgusting people.
You guys should re-evaluate yourselves, because some of your comments are very disgusting and indicative of a blind mob mentality.
Ah, so any justice that would be served would be served cold. So he should, what...remain free because he's old and it would just cost us money? I'm not for capital punishment myself, but I'd be happy to toss in $20 or whatever the cost would be to incarcerate a Nazi for the rest of his life. Because of his crimes, he doesn't deserve to remain free.
Life in prison makes the latter difficult.Placing people in prison for the purposes of punishment yields high rates of recidivism.
No, it also serves as punishment. So three purposes.Incarceration serves two purposes: rehabilitation and/or security of society.
Placing people in prison for the purposes of punishment yields high rates of recidivism.
No, it also serves as punishment. So three purposes.
Conditions must be met for justice.
You have to make sure that it's justice and not revenge.
When they hung the nazis in Nuremberg, that was more revenge than justice.
Here we have a 94 year old man. We should consider what kind of justice we are to dole out.
Should we execute him? I don't believe in capital punishment.
Should we imprison him? He is 94. What kind of special prison shall they house him in? Will this punishment end up hurting him or just costing us money?
You say my comments are disturbing? I think you guys are disturbing. Your insistence that "justice" must be carried out is no more than a veil for vengeance. Vengeance without meaning or value to society.
I'm sorry I'm not one of those people who publicly wishes for criminals to get raped in prison. And I'm sorry that people who try to empathize with others, or understand them, even if those others are war criminals, are viewed by you guys as being either naive or disgusting people.
You guys should re-evaluate yourselves, because some of your comments are very disgusting and indicative of a blind mob mentality.
I find your comments highly disgusting and offensive. How about that?
Punishment doesn't work.
Punishment doesn't work.
My ass.
Leave him alone. It's too late.
I'm sorry I'm not one of those people who publicly wishes for criminals to get raped in prison.
I swear to god if you put such words in my mouth in person I would be the one of trial. Your attitude towards justice and other posters in this thread is completely disgusting. You need to reevaluate your stances on justice and morality because now I'm sure you don't know what the fuck your even talking about.
I don't even give a shit if I get banned for this you don't get to put such words on me and act like I was even remotely saying such things.
It still doesn't make any sense to attack my character for saying that it's too late for justice.
You may disagree with it, but there's no good reason why some gaffers came into this thread and said those things in that tone. As if I'm some kind of insect for pointing out the fact that this guy is 94 years old and it's been 70 years since his alleged crimes.
And then people say I'm disgusting for defending myself.
And just like the last time I was banned, people will say I had a meltdown in a thread, even though I didn't. A bunch of people just want to shame me for no good reason. In a real life conversation, saying that it's too late would not incite that kind of outrage. I think most people would nod or shrug solemnly. But nobody would say some of the shit I've been seeing in this thread. And that's what faux outrage is: reacting in an overly dramatic fashion.
I wasn't referring to you.
My posts aren't disgusting. You cheapen the value of words when you misuse them.
Your posts are posts that I find disgusting.
The content of your posts disgusts me.
What your posts represent disgusts me.
If you don't like that word, I have others. Repellent. Morally vacuous. Idiotic.
I wasn't referring to you.
My posts aren't disgusting. You cheapen the value of words when you misuse them.
I wasn't referring to you.
My posts aren't disgusting. You cheapen the value of words when you misuse them.
This thread is serving as a fantastic guide as to who needs to be added to my ignore list.
Come on Dreams you gotta change that..............