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World War II war criminal emerges in Minnesota
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You clearly don't understand this phrase.
Stormtrooper30
Member
I know that in all likelihood he was following orders, but keep in mind that commanders of the SS were given almost complete autonomy in their respective areas. In occupied locations they essentially held complete power. He certainly agreed with the ideals of the Nazi regime and its horrors if he was in this leadership position.
Exterminieren
Banned
Unless you think people are calling for him to die hundreds of times in a gas chamber, this makes absolutely no sense.
I'm not entirely certain that there are far worse people than those involved in genocide.
I am not going to argue whether this guy is a war criminal or hero, but like the Nazi in question in this thread, you have to wonder if Tibbets lived every day of us life in regret thinking of all the people he killed. The guy basically killed more people single handedly than anyone else has in history.
Omegasquash
Member
Then I'd assume he spends the rest of his short life in prison.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
I'd prefer war criminals not be able to just turn 94 and then laugh at the fact they weren't caught.
And curl his moustache and tip his top hat after leaving a tied up dame on the train tracks, right?
BananaBomb
Member
are you pretending like a nazi war criminal is less evil than a damsel-stealing cartoon villain? Frankly your posts in this thread are the most disgusting things I have ever seen on neogaf. clearly you are upset that the jews get all the world's attention for their genocide and the armenians get little for theirs. it sickens me that you are getting some twisted pleasure out of proclaiming "aha jews, it is too late for you to get your justice - just like it is for me." it is not too late to make this man die with his terrible crimes on the forefront of his mind, and it is not too late to remind the world that where justice can be done it will be done. you have no right to try and deny our society this just because you think you have been wronged or ignored.
you are a demented human being.
Totally agree.
I can understand the bloodlust to a certain extent, but I wonder what all of the self-righteous people calling for a 'painful death' would have done if they were in the same situation that most of these people were in.
You are wrong about everything you're saying. Clearly, you shouldn't make judgments about people based on comments on the internet.
I don't believe in villifying people. Maybe I don't believe in evil. And I certainly don't believe a 94 year old man is cackling with glee for getting away with something. So stop deluding yourself.
BananaBomb
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Then go live in your reductionist, chemical-interaction, all-things-are-justifiable society and leave the administration of punishment for socially-constructed crimes to those of us that still have a stake. good riddance.
I can see you don't have much experience with 90 year olds.
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
He committed crimes in his past and was never held accountable. He should be and so should everyone. To bad people slip by. Your comments in this thread are very disturbing.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
-- A person who told people to get off their high horse for wanting a Nazi war criminal brought to justice
BananaBomb
Member
ah yes, the non-sequitur. nice talking to you, here's hoping we don't cross paths again in another thread.
el retorno
Member
Not killed people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Resistance_to_Nazism
I would never kill my own country men because of their religion, beliefs, race, etc.
You're literally using the nazi's own defense. That's not how things work anymore. If you knew what you were doing you don't have a defense.
Crazy right?
el retorno
Member
This reminds me the one time some guy on GAF said the holocaust was an accident or something. The nazis didn't really want to kill jews, gays, other minorities.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Do you think FDR, Truman, and Churchill should've rotted away in cells next to SS commanders?
dr_octagon
Banned
Do you believe in following a process?
It shouldn't make a difference in age. If someone is physically and mentally capable, why shouldn't they stand in a court like anybody else. The type of offence shouldn't matter (in theory) but people will react to certain crimes because they are considered more serious (and the punishment reflects that). You don't have to be after blood to want to see justice carried out, regardless of how many years passed. If anything, it reinforces that concept and the process applies to the accused as well (having representation, sufficient evidence, fair trial etc.).
Fonz72
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They would have had the Axis won WWII. And almost 70 years later they would be viewed as "war criminals" to the people in the countries that were bombed to almost non-existence.
Not saying that this guy is should not be tried for what he has done. But, the victors are rarely held accountable for what they do.
freenudemacusers
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? there are plenty of heinous 90 year olds out there.
CHEEZMO;64562171 said:
Conditions must be met for justice.
You have to make sure that it's justice and not revenge.
When they hung the nazis in Nuremberg, that was more revenge than justice.
Here we have a 94 year old man. We should consider what kind of justice we are to dole out.
Should we execute him? I don't believe in capital punishment.
Should we imprison him? He is 94. What kind of special prison shall they house him in? Will this punishment end up hurting him or just costing us money?
You say my comments are disturbing? I think you guys are disturbing. Your insistence that "justice" must be carried out is no more than a veil for vengeance. Vengeance without meaning or value to society.
I'm sorry I'm not one of those people who publicly wishes for criminals to get raped in prison. And I'm sorry that people who try to empathize with others, or understand them, even if those others are war criminals, are viewed by you guys as being either naive or disgusting people.
You guys should re-evaluate yourselves, because some of your comments are very disgusting and indicative of a blind mob mentality.
Then you chose to ignore me and dozens of other posters explaining the rule of law, the necessity for a society to have a memory of its own crimes and you also ignored all the people asking you if you thought the Armenian Genocide should just be forgotten. You're a hypocrite and a selective reader.
SHOULD WE FORGIVE AND FORGET PERPETRATORS AND SUPPORTERS OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?
a. Yes
b. No
WAS THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE EVIL?
a. No
b. Yes
Dreams-Visions
Member
With respect, fuck that noise.
Sometimes justice is as simple as punishment. Having to be live uncomfortably as a consequence for behavior antithetical to law. In this case, let this mothafucka enjoy his last 1-10 years in a 6x6 cell. Solitary if there's a spot available. Let him meditate for the remainder of his days on what he did to earn his new-found accommodations and forever be haunted by those he helped dismiss from this world.
I have already forgiven them.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
So your participation in this thread is just masturbatory high-ground-sitting. Glad we cleared that up.
You're so much better than us brutes.
Omegasquash
Member
Ah, so any justice that would be served would be served cold. So he should, what...remain free because he's old and it would just cost us money? I'm not for capital punishment myself, but I'd be happy to toss in $20 or whatever the cost would be to incarcerate a Nazi for the rest of his life. Because of his crimes, he doesn't deserve to remain free.
Incarceration serves two purposes: rehabilitation and/or security of society.
Placing people in prison for the purposes of punishment yields high rates of recidivism.
freenudemacusers
Member
Life in prison makes the latter difficult.
Dreams-Visions
Member
No, it also serves as punishment. So three purposes.
Punishment doesn't work.
TacticalFox88
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The line between justice, revenge, and sadism is pretty much being blurred in this thread.
I find your comments highly disgusting and offensive. How about that?
I don't care what you think.
Dreams-Visions
Member
My ass.
Fonz72
Member
I am Michael Bolton
Banned
What?
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
edit: Your not even worth the trouble getting banned over. Your a truly messed up person if your not trolling.
I wasn't referring to you.
My posts aren't disgusting. You cheapen the value of words when you misuse them.
You were banned? Surprise Surprise.
Exterminieren
Banned
Your posts are posts that I find disgusting.
The content of your posts disgusts me.
What your posts represent disgusts me.
If you don't like that word, I have others. Repellent. Morally vacuous. Idiotic.
Leave him alone. It's too late.
dr_octagon
Banned
how does the passing of time affect your view on what punishment should follow - is it purely a practical concern? (the cost to the taxpayer would apply to everyone in prison)
you have a different view of what justice is but he shouldn't be treated differently because of his age - he is capable of understanding what he is being accused of, why not follow the process which has already dealt with similar scenarios
I am Michael Bolton
Banned
Instead of blaming everyone else why not look at yourself and your own posting habits and see whether or not your detractors may just have some relevant and justifiable points.
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
Don't add me! I love horror games and giantbomb! lol.
Dreams-Visions
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Why is that? Prison does serve 3 purposes. 4, really. (1) Societal security, (2) punishment, (3) behavioral modification/reformation/rehabilitation, and (4) deterrence for others who may get the itch to commit a crime.
If rehabilitation and societal security were the only objectives, everyone would go to a secure medical facility and rehabilitated rather than conventional prisons as we know them. You can ignore the reality of punishment being a critical component to prison if you like, but it won't change the fact that part of the experience is punishment. Sending this old fart to jail serves #2 and #4. Good enough for me.
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