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[ElFly]

In the end the weaker console costs $100 more.

And the previous Xboxen only did good in america; if the Xbone isn't a home run in america, game over, man, game over.

A ton of people are worried MS may U turn again into always online mode so the damage is done.

 

[not_so_special]

why ryse or killer instinc are better than knack or killzone?

 

[Pain]

The launch games are better on the X1 in my opinion.

The launch games are MORE. Whether or not their better that's ur opinion. I don't see anything special with either console at launch in terms of exclusives.

 

[Vodh]

I'd have to agree that Xbox seems to have a more appealing launch lineup.

Most games I'm truly interested in so far are multiplats tho.

And in the long run, track record in continuous commitment > launch lineup.

 

[Papercuts]

why ryse or killer instinc are better than knack or killzone?

It just depends on what people personally are interested in. Killer instinct is my current most anticipated game for next gen, knack does nothing for me and I never liked killzone. Especially directly against battlefield and call of duty.

 

[Tenki]

If you´re a fan of half assed/rushed games made by c tier developers you´re certainly going to have a blast with the Xbone launch lineup.

Of course you don't.

 

[Nibel]

The worst thing of this year wasn't the forced online requirement or the used game fiasco - it was feeling betrayed by Microsoft in some way

I mean they were literally ready to release the most anti-consumer system of all time and they thought it was a good idea until the biggest backlash of all time happened

Besides, as a German, the whole NSA story and their involvement is another point which makes me dislike their current offer even more. I mean: I know that every company collects data, but what the NSA does is disgusting and Microsoft opening their doors for them is the last dagger in the back

So yeah, PS4 all the way for now - Xbox 360 was my most played console this generation and seeing them evolve into this pile in misery is heartbreaking, but they got what they deserved

 

[beast786]

For me, the software difference at launch isn't even debatable which I'm happy EDGE pointed out. The PS4 software doesn't interest me at all. It's interesting that people are holding onto hope that a game like Knack will get mass penetration.

yep, that must be it.


Both launch line are opinion based. Quality at launch is subjective , but you can't argue that quantity wise xb1 launch dwarf ps4

 

[Derrick01]

I thought it was a bad ideab buying a console for the sole purpose of waiting for the better games to release. I mean, look at PS3 and the Wii-U.

PS3 turned out amazing though.

I just think it's weird that people are making choices based on games that no one is going to care about 6 months from now. When was the last launch game that came out that was truly great and had staying power? Mario 64? People buy Sony and Nintendo consoles because they know they're going to get a certain level of first party support even with bad launch lineups.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

The point still stands.

So then why are you in this thread? Why do you even talk about next-gen considering hardware is literally all there is to discuss so far?

I give you Turn 10 but Crytek....... And Guerilla and Evolution both have a track record ranging from solid to pretty good. Can´t really say that about Double Helix, Capcom Vancouver or Crytek.

I still wonder why people put so much faith in Guerrilla, but I've been wondering that since before Killzone 1 came out. Even before they had a track record they were held up as a messiah.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Since the PS4 is guaranteed to have the bigger install base anyway, if will have better support from developers on the long run (especially Japanese developers and indies) and overall you know you can't be wrong with it. The PS4 is the one console (no pun intended) everyone will be playing.

Buying an Xbox One is to bet on an uncertain future.

 

[AdmiralPain]

It seems Microsoft isn't the only one fond of 180s. Personally I feel that it will be a very close battle.

 

[IvorB]

The launch games are better on the X1 in my opinion.

I've always thought this is a strange reason to select a console. The few games that are available at launch don't really indicate much about the games that will be available throughout the consoles life cycle.

 

[SwiftDeath]

As per any of these threads, the addition of the kinect into the standard bundle is the biggest factor to consider

It pushes up the price of the weaker machine considerably and I have yet to see marketing that looks to justify the price of kinect to said casuals

Haven't seen a launch game on either system that I believe will sell casuals on buying it

The core will buy as they see fit but casuals will make the holiday and spring numbers

Having Infamous in Feb is a smart play if I've ever seen one

NPD numbers will be interesting for sure

 

[MarauderShields]

Since the PS4 will have the bigger install base anyway, if will have better support from developers on the long term (especially Japanese developers and indies) and overall you know you can't be wrong with that console. It's the one console (no pun intended) everyone will be playing.

Buying an Xbox One is to bet on an uncertain future.

I have no doubt that both will be great but that's just me.

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

why ryse or killer instinc are better than knack or killzone?

Because... tastes? In my case, for example, Killzone never managed to overly excite me (played them all), while I've got zero interest in Knack and KI. On the other side, I absolutely love everything I've seen about DR3 so far. Well, except the slowdowns which I really really hope will be fixed.

Actually, DR3 is the one exclusive game I can't wait to play. All the other ones come after it.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

If i had to predict territories this early I would still predict a split in NA and give Sony Europe and Japan.

 

[Gnorman]

The launch games are better on the X1 in my opinion.

I honestly don't understand this line of thinking. You're talking about a 5 year investment, launch titles have almost no bearing on which console I choose. I want the best hardware for the best price. Also with the consoles launching at the same time I don't think MS will be able to throw money at third parties for as long as they did with the 360, it will simply get too expensive.

 

[AOC83]

I still wonder why people put so much faith in Guerrilla, but I've been wondering that since before Killzone 1 came out. Even before they had a track record they were held up as a messiah.

Killzone 2, despite it´s flaws, was a pretty good game and it looks like they are improving the old Killzone formula a lot by adding much more freedom and bigger levels for example.
Not even talking about the gorgeous graphics.

 

[Silky]

PS3 turned out amazing though.

I just think it's weird that people are making choices based on games that no one is going to care about 6 months from now. When was the last launch game that came out that was truly great and had staying power?

NSMBU? I guess? But I see your point. For me, it matters on what I have to play now than, what I'm looking forward too. Since I see nothing other than KI and Killzone, I'm waiting on purchasing a next gen investment because...it just seems like a huge risk, on both fronts.

 

[bremon]

Well PS4 will be my next console, no maybes involved. I do want Microsoft to have a fair amount of success though, so that Sony has to keep busting their asses putting out great games to win over consumers.

 

[BadAss2961]

Turn 10 and Crytek are no more "c tier" (lulz) than Guerrilla and Evolution, that's sure. But it all comes down to tastes. I'll get both consoles at launch, but I'm much more hyped for DR3 than any PS4 launch game.

This doesn't mean I don't believe PS4 won't have fantastic games: it undoubtedly will, starting with Infamous.

Guerrilla and Evolution are wayyyy better than Crytek.

 

[ramb0211]

PS4 launch titles aren't all that bad too.

I don't think Microsoft can keep paying other studios to make games temporarily exclusive/exclusive for them...

Compare theirs with Sony's... it's not even fair. Long term, PS4 will have much better games.

I will get a cheap ass ps4 in a couple years when it actually has a bunch of cheap ass games for me to buy with it. Worked like a charm with the ps3 and I don't have to miss any of the good multiplayer games on Xbox.

 

[Chamber]

For me, the software difference at launch isn't even debatable which I'm happy EDGE pointed out. The PS4 software doesn't interest me at all. It's interesting that people are holding onto hope that a game like Knack will get mass penetration.

Yeah and Ryse is going to set the world on fire.

The exclusive debate is kind of funny to me considering all of them will probably get outsold by Battlefield, Call of Duty and Watch Dogs anyway.

 

[Garrett 2U]

I found this part interesting.

Edward Woo, senior research analyst at Ascendiant Capital Markets, agrees – but still sees one format ahead of the other. “The race has turned from PS4 favour to nearly balanced after Xbox One backtracked on the internet requirement and used games DRM,” Woo says. “The free offer of FIFA in Europe helps close the gap considerably. I think price will still turn the favour to PS4, though.”

Apparently the Xbone has almost caught up on pre-orders?

 

[Y2Kev]

I think the blog is very balanced. It doesn't say "PS4 is your next console...maybe," which implies Edge is softening its editorial stance, however. It does say that the race is much more likely to be competitive now that Microsoft has reversed course on a number of its incredibly uncompetitive positions. Keep in mind the original article was written AFTER the DRM reversal.

It makes many points that have been made elsewhere and gets a few analyst positions. I think it's a very fair blog.

 

[statham]

Enough said. Conversation over.

Hotness

 

[AOC83]

Since the PS4 is guaranteed to have the bigger install base anyway, if will have better support from developers on the long run (especially Japanese developers and indies) and overall you know you can't be wrong with it. The PS4 is the one console (no pun intended) everyone will be playing.

Buying an Xbox One is to bet on an uncertain future.

I´d be much more worried about first party support than some indies or third party support in general (a few japanese games aside) if i´d buy an Xbone. Microsoft has already proven that they are not willing to support their console with a diverse and substantial lineup.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Killzone 2, despite it´s flaws, was a pretty good game and it looks like they are improving the old Killzone formula a lot by adding much more freedom and bigger levels for example.
Not even talking about the gorgeous graphics.

You're right, of course. But you could be talking about Crytek and Crysis 1 and I'd agree with you. (I would also agree with someone saying that Killzone 3 or Crysis 2 were missteps)

I just don't understand what elevates Guerrilla over the dozens of other shooter devs; hell pretty much everybody makes pretty games these days. Seems like a fine game, but where does the fervent faith come from? I've seen it before the release of every Killzone game to date, including before 1 and 2.

I honestly don't understand this line of thinking. You're talking about a 5 year investment, launch titles have almost no bearing on which console I choose. I want the best hardware for the best price. Also with the consoles launching at the same time I don't think MS will be able to throw money at third parties for as long as they did with the 360, it will simply get too expensive.

I have to agree with this. The 360's launch lineup had no bearing on the genres that later appeared on the system. The PS3 went off in a very different direction in 2009. These things change and transform.

 

[astarisborn94]

I still believe that the PS4 is the better choice. I was never intending to buy the Xbox One, but I don't see why I should trust Microsoft to not bring back those horrible policies that made the console so unattractive in the first place once it reaches X amount of install base.

PS4, 3DS and maybe Wii-U for me this gen, but I am definitely not bothering with the Xbox One.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

So then why are you in this thread? Why do you even talk about next-gen considering hardware is literally all there is to discuss so far?

I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing the point. You can talk hardware comparisons until the end of days.

Having better hardware performance does not guarantee success.

 

[Majmun]

PS3 turned out amazing though.

I just think it's weird that people are making choices based on games that no one is going to care about 6 months from now. When was the last launch game that came out that was truly great and had staying power? Mario 64? People buy Sony and Nintendo consoles because they know they're going to get a certain level of first party support even with bad launch lineups.

This is very true. Definitely for Sony consoles. All the Playstation consoles have received amazing support until the end. The Ps4 has been announced beginning this year, but that didn't/isn't stopping Sony from supporting the Ps3 with new "AAA" games.

MS have dropped their X360 like a rock. They did the same with the original Xbox as well.

I don't know about Nintendo anymore after the Wii. It got neglected as well. Sony has basically remained as the only manufacturer that supports their consoles until the very end.

And I don't think that'll change with the Ps4.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

I´d be much more worried about first party support than some indies or third party support in general (a few japanese games aside) if i´d buy an Xbone. Microsoft has already proven that they are not willing to support their console with a diverse and substantial lineup.

To be fair to MS, they have made some substantial strides thus far on this console.

However, it remains to be seen if those efforts will persevere past the launch period and dry up (like they did with the 360).

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Not been a great day on GAF for MS has it.

 

[michaelius]

Well let's see

PS4 is
- 100$ cheaper
- have more powerfull hardware
- gives "free" games when you pay annual fee
- and hides much less functionality behind paywall if you don't

Hmm sounds like really tough decision to me...

 

[Arklite]

I don't see any "180s" here, at most a 90 degree turn to neutral. Edge's prior console assessment was right, and MSoft's reaction to such strong public opinion (and perhaps certain magazine covers) has also been right.

 

[todd44890]

Im disappointed GAF. Wheres the, "Microsoft paid these guys to publish this article", post at?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

No, not really. I still don´t see a single reason to buy an Xbone over a PS4.

Same.. Many will say the games of course but games on that system aren't must buy for me especially since I'm not into a lot of the genres. I'm not much of a fighter fan and definitely not a sim racer fan. I like zombies and I like Dead Rising but I can wait and everything else is lame. On the other hand, there's such a library for the PS4 and there's so much there that needs to be played. Experiences big and small.. That's what I like. I don't only live for AAA..

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing the point. You can talk hardware comparisons until the end of days.

Having better hardware performance does not guarantee success.

You're arguing against a claim no one has made in this thread.

Im disappointed GAF. Wheres the, "Microsoft paid these guys to publish this article", post at?

They're up there.

 

[Boltman]

As if anybody still pays attention to Edge.

Not being a smart ass, honest question...

What would be a good gaming magazine to pick up?

I'm old school and enjoy reading a mag over a web page most times. It doesn't matter if it's UK based or US or any Euro based mag for that matter. I just want something with lots of good reading in it.

 

[Majmun]

Im disappointed GAF. Wheres the, "Microsoft paid these guys to publish this article", post at?

Read post #43

 

[T.O.P]

The game libraries between the two consoles are not sufficiently different to have a meaningful impact on sales.

i'm not talking about sales, i'm talking from my prospective

Better hardware? That one can't be argued buddy. Even MS acknowledges.

That aint no opinion.

launch line up is a lot more suited for me, by far

i can find a better hardware on my pc, but it can't play KI/Forza/DR, ergo i want the Xbone

You could, but it wouldn't be correct

i don't even know what this mean, happy you




Infamous SS is looking great, and i'll probably grab a ps4 around holiday 2014, until then, let me enjoy what i like, thank you

 

[Superflat]

I believe what will sell more XBOs in America is by calling it a NFL console, like they're doing now.

 

[Vodh]

Hotness

Aye. The redhead's cute too, tho

 

[IvorB]

I´d be much more worried about first party support than some indies or third party support in general (a few japanese games aside) if i´d buy an Xbone. Microsoft has already proven that they are not willing to support their console with a diverse and substantial lineup.

Yeah MS spend big with some exclusive games at launch and then disappear like leaves in the wind. This seems to fool many people though so why not?

 

[Bad_Boy]

list wars

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Better hardware? That one can't be argued buddy. Even MS acknowledges.

You're arguing against a claim no one has made in this thread.

See above.

 

[Robbler]

Aye. The redhead's cute too, tho

Too bad she's being banged by this guy:

 

[Into]

Its a fair article

I do not think the Xbox One right now is at that stage where it was impossible to even consider it, as it was with their original plans and ideas, which were down right abhorrent in every way. The console looks okay for most part now, nothing wrong with it

However it is still 100 dollars more expensive, for offering slightly worse tech. These 2 one-two punches are significant in ones decision to decide which one to buy. 100 dollars is 2 games, or almost 2 games.

Its a shame for editorial reasons that there is still that price difference, which is significant for most people. Had they both been 399 or 499 it would be really interesting and hard to compare the two.

 

[Lynn616]

I´d be much more worried about first party support than some indies or third party support in general (a few japanese games aside) if i´d buy an Xbone. Microsoft has already proven that they are not willing to support their console with a diverse and substantial lineup.

The 360 lineup is not diverse and substantial? Hard to take you seriously if you believe that.