I hope you aren't referring to this thread. A simple ctrl+f search shows something else.
I'm not of course. I'm talking about the Long queues of people waiting outside the stores for MH4 in Japan today thread.
I hope you aren't referring to this thread. A simple ctrl+f search shows something else.
I dont think you saw the previous quote. What was first said was "Pretty sure the topic was on point until someone thought it to be funny to compare MH4's sales to Vita LTD sales.". Then it was said "its a fairly obvious and important point though", so i was wondering why it was important to point this out if no one had mentioned the Vita before someone decided to do a MH4 vs Vita hardware numbers comparison.Because Sony/Vita fans won't shut up about this game not being for their system.
This type of reply is pretty unnessecary, because here you write it like i've said things that i've never said. That alone is ok, because people can misunderstand, no problem, but to add stuff like "I don't see what you have to contribute" and "thats insluting" based on things that i never said, that is annoying to me to be honest.I find it ridiculous, baffling, and frankly insulting that anybody is trying to suggest that Monster Hunter 4 topics have not been full of Vita port begging and people making proclamations that it would sell better on Vita. It has even been happening in this thread. This is a derail , so please just do yourselves a favor and scan through some old MH4 threads to see what I'm talking about. If you don't want to do that, then I don't see what you have to contribute.
I think the thing you might not be understanding is that there's two different viewpoints on this subject in the thread, and it's something a lot more nuanced than some iteration of "3DS versus Vita".
The viewpoint you're espousing is an idealistic one; you have a perception of what you want from the series, and so you're arguing from the perspective that, all else being equal, that's what's best for the series.
The opposing viewpoint is talking in the context of business realities. All else is *not* equal. 3DS requires little investment above the PSP iterations, it's being aided extra support from Nintendo, and it has the userbase for local multiplayer. People aren't harbouring any malice towards your standpoint, it just appears to be fundamentally unrealistic in light of current market trends. Your arguments against it boil down to "I want it this way, therefore it's good business sense". That's not a rational conclusion.
8-4 confirmed they aren't working on it now, which isn't unusual for the Monster Hunter series. Every previous game didn't start localization until after the Japanese release.It's not looking likely. 8-4, who did the translation for Tri and MH3U, aka the last two games to come here, confirmed that they're not doing it.
It looks like we'll have to wait until the G-version again.
sörine;82333477 said:8-4 confirmed they aren't working on it now, which isn't unusual for the Monster Hunter series. Every previous game didn't start localization until after the Japanese release.
sörine;82333477 said:8-4 confirmed they aren't working on it now, which isn't unusual for the Monster Hunter series. Every previous game didn't start localization until after the Japanese release.
Getting this a big, fat, two days early. CAN NOT WAIT.
I remember when MH3 came out, we were actually localizing the US version at the time and after 12 hour crazy work days, we'd go home and...play the JP version online. LOL.
Working on different crazy projects this time around, but still planning to end each day with a nice big serving of MONHAN baby.
I dont think you saw the previous quote. What was first said was "Pretty sure the topic was on point until someone thought it to be funny to compare MH4's sales to Vita LTD sales.". Then it was said "its a fairly obvious and important point though", so i was wondering why it was important to point this out if no one had mentioned the Vita before someone decided to do a MH4 vs Vita hardware numbers comparison.
This type of reply is pretty unnessecary, because here you write it like i've said things that i've never said. That alone is ok, because people can misunderstand, no problem, but to add stuff like "I don't see what you have to contribute" and "thats insluting" based on things that i never said, that is annoying to me to be honest.
I have never said that there hasnt been any port begging. Of course there has been, both for Vita, and even to get the game to WiiU. What i cant remember to have seen are claims that MH4 would have sold more on Vita (and of course this simply means that i cant remember to have seen it, i never made a claim that it never has been said. There is a huge difference between those two things). Maybe i can vaguely remember some one-liners about it, but i cant remember to have seen any compelling arguements about it at least. I dont see how anyone could get insulted by me simply not remembering to have seen a particular thing.
That was just the Wii U port, which released 3 months before the western launch. 3U was a 3DS game really though and it's localization started well after the Japanese release.Nope. John said they worked on MH3's localization prior to the JP launch:
If they're not doing it now, they're likely not doing it ever.
sörine;82335549 said:That was just the Wii U port, which released 3 months before the western launch. 3U was a 3DS game really though and it's localization started well after the Japanese release.
Nope. John said they worked on MH3's localization prior to the JP launch:
If they're not doing it now, they're likely not doing it ever.
IMO Capcom probably got someone else to do it. No doubt they asked 8-4, but for various reasons, such as the one in your avatar, they must've been too swamped to take on another big project right now.
That's really worrisome. I don't want to have to wait for a 4G localization that will likely take three years...
No no, i didnt dismiss the idea, the first thing i said was "it could be" when i replied to you earlier I just mentioned another possibility that i tought could be the case as well, but that was just a guess from me. They didnt say why they brought it up as far as i can see, but my guess could be wrong.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651267
I hope you enjoy reading this 800-post thread filled with people saying that it would sell better on Vita. Make sure you read it all, because it gets really good in the last third or so. I never said that you said any of this stuff, by the way. Just that it is crazy to me that somebody is trying to say that Monster Hunter threads don't get hijacked. The fact that you dismissed the idea that people are bringing up Vita sales to say that those people were wrong leads me to believe that you don't think that it has been happening.
So what if the arguments aren't "compelling?" That very fact is what makes them so annoying.
No no, i didnt dismiss the idea, the first thing i said was "it could be" when i replied to you earlier I just mentioned another possibility that i tought could be the case as well, but that was just a guess from me. My guess could be wrong.
Thanks for the link, but i think there might be a misunderstanding here. What i ment regarding sales was that i cant recall seeing anyone claiming that MH4 would sell more if it was exclusive to the Vita instead of the 3DS. I know there have been much talk sales wise, such as that MH4 would sell more if it was a multiplatform game and that MH4 on Vita would boost the Vita hardware sales a lot., so i'm not saying anything against that. Sorry if i wasnt more clear on this earlier.
I think a Vita MH made from scratch to take full advantage of the hardware would definitely outsell MH4 on 3DS.
MH4 should come to the west since they have acknowledged that online is necessary for MH in the west. MH4 has online. The 3DS version outsold the Wii U version by quite a bit without online in the west.
I wonder if that had more to do with the stagnant popularity of the WiiU though
I would like to think the WiiU version would have sold so much better without the stigma attached to it.
No worries, thanks for the quote I hadnt seen that before, at least not from what i can remember right now. I dont see why MH4 would sell more on Vita than on 3DS, i wonder why people think that. But it would simply just be a guess because such senario (MH4 being exclusive for Vita) havnt excisted and will never excist.From the last page of the thread I linked:
The thread is filled to the brim with port begging, and has plenty of posts like this one too. I just don't have the time to skim through the whole thing and quote all of them. And that's just one of many threads on the topic. I just remembered this quote in particular because he said it in response to me asking him the question directly.
If that is the case, i dont think that the current Vita sales are much of an indicator for this though, because the whole Vita situation in Japan would most likely had been quite different if MH4 was exclusive for Vita instead. How much different are anyone's guess though, but Monster Hunter is a huge franchise that does sell a lot of systems. But regardless of the Vita, we see on the MH4 sales number alone that it was not a mistake to bring it to the 3DS. The game seems to be great, so i hope Capcom has much success with MH4Again: nobody brought up Vita sales to rub anything in. Vita sales were brought up in order to show that Capcom made the right decision by releasing the game on the 3DS, a decision for which they are berated in every single thread having anything to do with this game. Including this very thread.
I wonder if that had more to do with the stagnant popularity of the WiiU though
I would like to think the WiiU version would have sold so much better without the stigma attached to it.
If that is the case, i dont think that the current Vita sales are much of an indicator for this though, because the whole Vita situation in Japan would most likely had been quite different if MH4 was exclusive for Vita instead.
No worries, thanks for the quote. I hadnt seen that before, at least not from what i can remember right now. I dont see why MH4 would sell more on Vita than on 3DS, i wonder why people think that. But it would simply just be a guess because such senario (MH4 being exclusive for Vita) havnt excisted and will never excist.
Sorry for the misunderstand earlier by the way, when i thought you said that i claimed there hadnt been any port begging etc..
I didnt see your edit in your previous post before now:
If that is the case, i dont think that the current Vita sales are much of an indicator for this though, because the whole Vita situation in Japan would most likely had been quite different if MH4 was exclusive for Vita instead. But regardless of the Vita, we see on the MH4 sales number alone that it was not a mistake to bring it to the 3DS. The game seems to be great, so i hope Capcom has much success with MH4
IMO Capcom probably got someone else to do it. No doubt they asked 8-4, but for various reasons, such as the one in your avatar, they must've been too swamped to take on another big project right now.
Nope. It doesn't sound like they even asked 8-4. John implies as much in the latest podcast when he says he's not sure "if" this will come out in the West at all. He sounds really doubtful. If they had been approached, he probably would've sounded a bit more optimistic.
Nope. John said they worked on MH3's localization prior to the JP launch:
If they're not doing it now, they're likely not doing it ever.
I wonder how big a moneyhat both Sony and MS would be willing give for a next-gen MH on their respective consoles? One of the few franchises right now, outside of Nintendo IPs, that could sell crazy amounts of systems.
I wonder how big a moneyhat both Sony and MS would be willing give for a next-gen MH on their respective consoles? One of the few franchises right now, outside of Nintendo IPs, that could sell crazy amounts of systems.
Sony didn't do anything when 3 was already in development for the PS3. Or when the series switched to 3DS. Why would they do anything now?I guarantee MS doesn't care in the slightest. Plus they get the MMO one anyways
Sony will hopefully do SOMETHING.
Nope. It doesn't sound like they even asked 8-4. John implies as much in the latest podcast when he says he's not sure "if" this will come out in the West at all. He sounds really doubtful. If they had been approached, he probably would've sounded a bit more optimistic.
Ugh...
Didn't 3U do well this time? Have they released the Digital and Retail numbers for global sales yet?
I'm curious if a Vita version would have required more investment (longer developement time and/or a bigger developement staff) compared to 3DS. But yeah, but all this is indeed just speculation.That may be true but it's just speculation and from a business standpoint it's still a riskier move that would also require more of an investment on Capcom's part to make.
No worries I hope my earlier post didnt come off as too "attacking" (not sure what word to use) towards you.No worries. Upon re-reading my posts, I realize that I came across as way more standoffish than I intended, and for that I apologize.
As for your last point, I do agree with the notion that porting to Vita would definitely add a good number of units sold, and that the situation would be different if it were announced initially for the Vita instead of the 3DS. I think, however, that we have to work under the assumption that any mainline Monster Hunter is going to be an exclusive for numerous reasons that have been delved into elsewhere. And if we look at it with that being a given, and after these sales numbers were announced, we can both agree that the game is at the very least not harmed sales-wise by being on the 3DS.
FF and DQ are bigger franchises on consoles. MH is only crazy on portables.
A Pokémon x Monster Hunter cross-over.
Let's do this Nintendo/Capcom.
FF and DQ are bigger franchises on consoles. MH is only crazy on portables.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651267
I hope you enjoy reading this 800-post thread filled with people saying that it would sell better on Vita. Make sure you read it all, because it gets really good in the last third or so. I never said that you said any of this stuff, by the way. Just that it is crazy to me that somebody is trying to say that Monster Hunter threads don't get hijacked. The fact that you dismissed the idea that people are bringing up Vita sales to say that those people were wrong leads me to believe that you don't think that it has been happening. Again: nobody brought up Vita sales to rub anything in. Vita sales were brought up in order to show that Capcom made the right decision by releasing the game on the 3DS, a decision for which they are berated in every single thread having anything to do with this game. Including this very thread.
So what if the arguments aren't "compelling?" That very fact is what makes them so annoying.
FF 13-2 sold less than tri did on wii
I think with Sony's strong emphasis on co-op as well as remote play, I think a PS4 MH could do ridiculously well for both the PS4 and the Vita.
I'm curious if a Vita version would have required more investment (longer developement time and/or a bigger developement staff) compared to 3DS. But yeah, but all this is indeed just speculation.
That may be true but it's just speculation and from a business standpoint it's still a riskier move that would also require more of an investment on Capcom's part to make.
FF13 sold nearly two times better than Tri.
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Yep, Sony can't rely on third parties to bring their platform out of the mud. They actually did get the ball rolling earlier this year with Soul Sacrifice + price drop, and ever since then the games have been coming at a brisker pace, and the third parties are finding a niche, somewhat, with overachievers like Toukiden, Senran Kagura, and Dragon's Crown.
Capcom didn't need to pray for 3DS to do well when they decided to slap MonHun on it in 2011. With heavy-hitters like Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, etc. guaranteed on the system, there was much less risk involved. Will a Vita MH come out in 2014 or 2015? Ehhh, I'm not gonna speculate on that. But it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that they eyed 3DS first.
Guys, it's almost impossible for MH4 to not be released here.
-MH3U had good sales (over 200k at retail in US with 3DS and Wii U counted, almost 150k on 3DS alone)
-MH3U received a big dd promotion in Europe, and it boosted its digital sales so much that it's in top 20 All-Time 3DS Only eShop Charts in many European countries. In some of them, it's so high that it's possibly almost in the general All-Time Top 20
-MH4 has online play, there's no need to wait for a Wii U SKU that adds it and make the game more appealing to the West (and 3DS SKU still obtained to outsell Wii U one despite not having online)
-Not only MH3U sold well, but many Japanese-stylised titles sold well, if not pretty well on 3DS: look at Fire Emblem, Etrian Odyssey, Soul Hackers, SMTIV, Tales of the Abyss... 3DS has problems with Western core titles, not with Japanese titles
-Nintendo will help Japanese titles considered as with great appeal in the West to come over here
Maybe we'll have to wait Q3/Q4 2014, but it's almost impossible it doesn't come over here.
There's no rush to localize MH4 when MH3U was released just this year. Capcom and Nintendo will look hard at next year and strategically place it in a fitting release slot.
well a game in HD would have cost more than a game in whatever the resolution is for 3DS, just look at the trailers, they can get away with some blurry and jagged textures in a 3DS game but I doubt people will react the same way if it where for vita
I would be shocked if it sold 2 million on the Vita, just because the userbase isn't there.
Of course capcom made a smart move by making it on the 3ds as the userbase is there and it is probably much cheaper to make.
I'm curious as to of it will break the popular one on the PSP sales wise. What was that number again?
Sony really needs to find a system seller in Japan, something with co-op and a somewhat different from monHon.
I wonder if freedom wars will make a dent sales wise . Sadly it doesn't seem Sony has many studios working on Vita games.
This is a niche title here. Fans who bought MH3U will, without a doubt, run and grab MH4 on day 1.
I would be shocked if it sold 2 million on the Vita, just because the userbase isn't there.