I get what you're both saying, but it's appearing like MS aren't that keen on leaving games as exclusive to Xbone, at least in the long term. If they aren't making enough money back on Xbone alone, then it's natural that they would port to PC to capitalize.
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[BOMBA/rumour] XBone's new price cut for EU incoming? AmazonITA: X1+Kinect=399
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I get what you're both saying, but it's appearing like MS aren't that keen on leaving games as exclusive to Xbone, at least in the long term. If they aren't making enough money back on Xbone alone, then it's natural that they would port to PC to capitalize.
Marvel
could never
Oh... I don't remember that haha, was a little younger. Consider me educated!
Fifa is linked strongly linked with playstation in Europe. The price difference isn't particularily big even after the cut and since the PS4 is selling so much better than the Xbox you have the factor of "get the console your friends have" against it as well.
Duxxy3
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http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts\
hopefully not a banned site
In case you want to look it over. I think it surprises people when they see how early some of these systems got a price cut.
Moreover the PS4 is still cheaper than XBox in Europe. I can get a PS4 on Amazon for 396 and even for less in a lot of places. They should have dropped Kinect out of the deal and lower the price with 50 Euro more to be on the same price level.
Praise the Lorde
Banned
If true, hopefully we'll see a boost in sales in Europe. This system is way too awesome to perform like that in the region.
Shaking my motherfucking head.
This thread man...
Shaking my motherfucking head.
This thread man...
-MD-
Member
lol
Instead of whining about the thread, you could perhaps come out with a suitable answer as to why we're wrong?
Wooot! I have Computer and I still have games for my Xbone...
-MD-
Member
Which ones?
He already gave us his sweet reason for shaking his head at us
^
This is nonesense. Maybe before Ultinate Team was a thing.
ultratruman
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It's 439 on amazon.de right now.
Not much of a drop when you consider the amount of ineffectual deals, bundles and price drops we've already had.
Not much of a drop when you consider the amount of ineffectual deals, bundles and price drops we've already had.
BF4, Titanfall, Max.., Spartan assault, crimson dragon and 60 second shooter, and I don' even play that much yet.
Cthulhu_Steev
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How about you tell us why the 'system is way to awesome' to fail? If giving away Fifa, Titanfall or Forza and knocking £50/50 off the price didn't do it for UK/Europe then why do you think this 'rumoured' drop will?
I think it is.
When the cut is official they also have to cut down the Kinectless Version to at least 329 if not 299
Doubt it. I think Microsoft is realizing that the Kinect is barely selling. Not standalone, not bundled. The Kinectless SKU made sure of that. They have to get rid of them somehow.
Storm Kyleis
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While I think a price cut is actually coming, this could be just a temporary deal. I saw a Wii U deluxe + game at 180 on Amazon.it once.
-MD-
Member
Were those two games worth 500 bucks?
But they can´t offer both versions for the same price ...
So the fact that i was supposed to wait 10 months to play DR3 and Ryse it doesn't even matter?
If you want to play something badly i don't see how you can start something in you head like "this mightcome on pc in a year, i'll probably skip for now"
Mediamarkt offered the Titanfall + Kinect bundle for 389 EUR just to clear stock. Sure they can.
Right, because the Xbox 360 spanked the shit out of the PS3 in mainland Europe with a cheaper price and a 15 month head start. Oh wait, no it didn't. Price alone isn't the biggest factor of the X1's woes in Europe, as evidenced by the previous MS console. I'm thinking it's the brand itself.
You really think there's such thing as "enough money" for huge corporations? I bet they would have done those ports even if Xbone had sold more, didn't Spencer say they are steppin up on PC support too?
-MD-
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I mean it's not hard, I wanted to play Dead Rising 3 really badly when it came out but not enough to spend a ton of money on a console and I figured it'd be ported eventually, now it's coming to the computer and I get a better looking, better performing game at a cheaper price.
Of course not everyone is me and of course not everyone is you. To some people buying a really expensive console to play games early makes sense, to others it makes more sense to just wait if you know it's coming and at this point we can safely say a lot of the exclusives that hit XB1 will come.
At this point i probably wait until christmas next year and buy a Quantum Break bundle for 299 or cheaper.
I dont think a price drop helps this much at the moment because you already can buy kinectless xb1 for 369 in some stores, they need to change their marketing approach and make stop airing American ads with German dubs...
I dont think a price drop helps this much at the moment because you already can buy kinectless xb1 for 369 in some stores, they need to change their marketing approach and make stop airing American ads with German dubs...
Riky
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Ryse and Dead Rising 3 aren't first party games, it isn't Microsoft doing the porting. It is obviously a lot cheaper for Microsoft to buy exclusivity for a year and maybe long term console exclusivity, anyone who really wanted to play DR3 and Ryse has already done their console buying to do so, PC port later doesn't really change much.
Crimson was free and 60 second cost 5$. To me console is bit like long time investment, I buy it so I can play many many games over the years, like most people.I'm not even sure are you serious. Should I buy PC to play one or two games, Mp3 player for few albums? There are many reason why i bought Xbox One, and why I only use my PC for editing, surfing and school work, mixture of preferences and practicality.
mangochutney
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If it was a price drop it wouldn't say the recommended retail price is 499.
HORRORSHØW
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phire phox, is that you?
Opus Angelorum
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I not sure I understand some of the logic here. A system possibly becoming cheaper to purchase is either:
A: Still too expensive, it has to be $99 with 10 free games before I'll even think about it
B: Not worth it because if I wait long enough all of the games will come to my PC
C: Too late, might as well pack it up
A: Still too expensive, it has to be $99 with 10 free games before I'll even think about it
B: Not worth it because if I wait long enough all of the games will come to my PC
C: Too late, might as well pack it up
intheinbetween
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it never was, maybe he got it wrong with PES, which is really is tied to the PS brand in Europe since several years ago
PodcastFips
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I'm still waiting for that X-mas 349 bundle including Kinect, 2 games and a year of Gold.
GenericUser
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Microsoft can try what they want, Playstation will continue to whip their ass in Europe and not price cut is going to change that. Fifa and Cod will have to become Xbox exclusive to turn things around.
It's cool that they're dropping the price and trying to pull in more people with Kinect less bundles, but the price performance ratio is still not there compared to the PS4, imho.
I'm a PC gamer first but do enjoy some console action from time to time. Last gen seemed like an even playing field so I went with the xbox360 early on because some SKU's were half the price of a PS3 over here in Poland. This gen I'm opting for a PS4. The xbone still costs too much for me, it's either 1699 (aprox. 540$ / 400) or 1899 polish zloty (aprox. 600$ / 450) depending on the SKU(500GB with or without Kinect), the PS4 on the other hand sellls for around 1499 polish zloty in most retailers (aprox. 480$ / 350) for the basic 500GB unit. The PS4 just seems like a better deal for me personally, regardless of how many friends I have on my Xlive account... most people I know allready have or going to buy a PS4 anyway.
I'm a PC gamer first but do enjoy some console action from time to time. Last gen seemed like an even playing field so I went with the xbox360 early on because some SKU's were half the price of a PS3 over here in Poland. This gen I'm opting for a PS4. The xbone still costs too much for me, it's either 1699 (aprox. 540$ / 400) or 1899 polish zloty (aprox. 600$ / 450) depending on the SKU(500GB with or without Kinect), the PS4 on the other hand sellls for around 1499 polish zloty in most retailers (aprox. 480$ / 350) for the basic 500GB unit. The PS4 just seems like a better deal for me personally, regardless of how many friends I have on my Xlive account... most people I know allready have or going to buy a PS4 anyway.
There were already many remarks in this thread stating "It's not the price."
There are (in my theory) four valid discriminators, which can make you buy either a PS4 or a XB1 (i.e. discriminators, which rate the 'value' of the consoles):
Subjective
-> Exclusives (past,present,future)
-> General Preference of the MS or Sony ecosystem (controller, Live-PSN, etc.)
Objective:
-> Price
-> Performance
Currently neither console has a real edge on the subjective discriminators. Being subjective they are valued on a person by person scale.
Price would be the same after the pricecut (with Kinect i.e.), so there is objective parity.
Performance will always be in favor of the PS4, no cloud can change that.
So to answer your question:
A: You will get negative remarks about the XB1's pricing from people as long as they value the number of exclusives + the performance disparity + ecosystem higher than the price difference. The subjective value of the Sony and MS ecosystems will rise, the longer they use it (fanboyism on both sides).
B: Bringing out exclusives also on the PC devalues them on XB1, because they are less exclusive.
C: Well, currently there might be a strategic shift in Microsoft - new CEO and all. If they consider the XB1 failed and let it die asap, they might reconsider the PC platform as their main platform and start pushing Windows > 8 to combat the rise of steam, which will over a long time period make people less dependent on Windows.
RandyBobandy
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I'm assuming this means the Kinect-less version is going to be 350 then?
They should just design a new console, release it in a year and have a good trade-in deal for existing X1 owners. There's no way they can turn the X1 into anything like the 360 unless they take huge losses. On the other side if those last financial results were really a result of the R&D of X1 and not a result of the console itself they might be ok with having a short but profitable piece of the pie. For now. But as an Xbox fanboy I just want them to get this generation over with ASAP and release a worty successor to the 360.
Price cut alone won't cut it. They need to have a serious price cut, add a year of Gold to every SKU and a free first party game.
Should be 299. Which would be in line with the power difference to PS4. Those 50 € cuts weren't helping them with 360 in Europe, they were mostly just reducing the official price to what the console already didn't sell at at retailers.
Price cut alone won't cut it. They need to have a serious price cut, add a year of Gold to every SKU and a free first party game.
Should be 299. Which would be in line with the power difference to PS4. Those 50 € cuts weren't helping them with 360 in Europe, they were mostly just reducing the official price to what the console already didn't sell at at retailers.
Same problem WiiU threads have, the price is never low enough. I think its funny that we've had bundles galore from X1 and Sony has done nothing. What happens when Sony finally decides to cut the price?
The device already became 'cheaper to purchase' by 100$ a few weeks ago. It didn't really do anything.
It's the console's image they have to improve. The negative stink around it that's still permeating the mindshare of Xbox one. Dropping the price a few bucks is not going to make an undesirable product suddenly desirable.
Sony has had more than enough bundles.
If you look at Amazon.de there are 6 Bundles alone.
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00BIYAO3K/
Unless you're really desperate for a game it's easy to wait. Part of the issue for MS is that the 360 generation taught the market that a lot of initial Xbox exclusives hit PC at some point if not pretty quickly.
Therefore if you have a PC for games (as I and many in Europe still do) it's pretty much the first thing you consider - is this game really exclusive to Xbox or if I wait will I get a better version for my PC?
It's nothing malicious or anti-MS simply a reaction to actual events. MS chose a strategy that included a lot of timed exclusives and like all strategies it has good/bad points.
One of the negatives is that once the market understands the strategy it will take it into consideration.
Look at things so far with the One already:
- It's first big exclusive - TitanFall - is right off the bat only console exclusive
- Dead Rising 3 is hitting PC already
- Ryse is hitting PC already
I do and everyone I game with on PC does and while I normally shy away from anecdotal stuff in this case I feel it is the more likely scenario.
Now of course if you really want the game day 1 then yes you'll go console but it's worth considering the PC market and the evidence via Stream and GoG that many PC gamers are happy to wait to get a deal and/or a game on PC vs console.
This area has always been a weakness for Xbox outside US (and to an extent UK).
By comparison the market has been taught a Nintendo or Sony exclusive likely isn't ever coming to PC officially not indeed to any other console.
On another note I see people grumbling about the "price isn't the issue" posts : based on the evidence in Europe price isn't the main issue, although a price drop should raise sales at least a little. Current evidence suggests the console is not very elastic to price as seen by various bundles and pack in game offers already.
Every product has it's own price elasticity and they vary.
Right now in Europe the PS4 is for sure more elastic to price than the One so MS do need to consider price drops carefully as a result. Enough to help sales a little but not enough to tempt Spny to counter. And any price drop must be part of a broader strategy involving more true exclusives and more services of use in Europe.
RandyBobandy
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Shit, 299 and I'm on board.
More PS4's will be sold.
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