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Court overturns Austria presidential poll
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's a waste of money most of all. We're good at that.
The whole deal is about opening postal ballots before schedule.
The whole deal is about opening postal ballots before schedule.
Roberto Larcos
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On what grounds? Is a slim majority not a majority enough?
The Citizen Kane of Games
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Big Germany, after all.
Palculator
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I'm sure announcing another Anschluss will look great.
From the article in the OP:
Familienoberhauptvogel
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They opened the envelopes containing postal ballot before the designated date.
Yup
AlephAlpha
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Votes that were done by mail were opened and counted too soon, afaik.
Damn, I hope vdb still wins.
Roberto Larcos
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Cheers, the article was literally just the headline when I made my comment.
dapperbandit
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Remember reading a few bits and pieces that made the result sound quite fiddled honestly. 126% voter turnout in some places etc.
Palculator
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Ah, ok. BREAKING NEWS indeed, lol.
Too many irregularities among the final poll, especially the postal votes.
Their decision "doesn't make a winner, nor a loser. It is meant to strengthen the trust."
They're not wrong. Stuff was handled shittily.
(And i voted Van der Bellen)
Enosh
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too many irregularities in the voting, mostly minor things like opening postal votes too soon etc
and I completely agree, if there are rules in place you better follow them, it shouldn't be up for debate if in a first world democracy we follow the rules and regulation of vote counting that are in place
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Actually, it's not.
From now on votes will hopefully be handled more carefully. Worst case scenario is we will now get the racist idiot as "President" but the "President" in Austria is kinda like the Queen in England. Nothing important. Though obviously I would still prefer Van der Bellen (the winner of the last poll)
Better now than after a "real" vote.
Roberto Larcos
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Schrödinger's vote.
Palette Swap
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Ugh.
Red Arremer
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Not really.
The Austrian president is capable of dismissing the parliament, and is the one who forms the cabinet. Norbert Hofer as president means that an FPÖ minority government is possible, if not likely.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Yes maybe, in theory. Just like the Queen. In theory the Queen can declare war, remove ministers and appoints the PM.
http://derstandard.at/2000032230118/Was-der-Bundespraesident-darf-und-was-nicht
It may also affect foreign investments. Will not be as bad as it was with Waldheim, but still shows Austria in a bad light.
But, yes. Rules have to be followed and I hope we will not end up with a situation like this again.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Court should just have reinstated Fischer for another term, everyone would be happy. Not that that's possible but wishful thinking.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I'd support that
Bots are better than you
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Fun fact: The comission to take over the duties until the repeated vote has a certain member, the one and only Norbert Hofer, also known as the presidential candidate of those right-wing nutjobs from the FPÖ!
E: I see the OP now has that fun fact too, bummer! :[
E: I see the OP now has that fun fact too, bummer! :[
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
careful.
Legitimization of a certain way of thinking. Legitimizing right wing politics - that's what happened in England after the referendum. - and we saw the surge of anti immigrant violence, the following days.
And there's no stronger legitimization than making someone who thinks a certain way the president.
Rabbi_Vole
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Why would Germany take Australia?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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ostrich bacon
I know all of those are jokes but the irony of those jokes are killing me. Germany doesn't want to lead. Germany just wants everyone to get their shit together.
I think it is already scary that FPÖ voters are so open about it. I remember times when people would not admit that.
Damn, that sucks. How does something that stupid happen with something so important?
Rabbi_Vole
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Austria really should consider changing its name to be less like Australia.
You could says it has to be repeated
Aye, but the issue is:
way below half of the FPÖ voters are actually far right xenophobics.
Many of them are conservatives afraid of a green president, or anti-establishment voters.
The issue is that the far right voters would believe themselves to be the MAJORITY, when actually they aren't.
Which is exactly what happened in England.
There's many Brexiters who aren't xenophobes, still the xenophobes themselves feel legitimized by the >50% result
to be fair, most of the places where this happened was them opening the ballots when they started counting the regular votes.
The election took place on a sunday. They opened the postal ballots on sunday evening. They should've opened them on monday.
Still, the election didn't follow the rules of the election and has rightfully been overturned, as much as it hurts
Red Arremer
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I'm well aware of the authorities of the BP and the Queen.
However, between the Queen and presidential candidate Norbert Hofer, the Queen never threatened that "You'll be surprised what's possible" in regards to the limited authorities of the BP.
There have been open appeals for violence against Van der Bellen, along with the release of his living address, on the Facebook page of HC Strache.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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People were anxious for results if everything else would have been in order I wouldn't be against being able to fast track the counting.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
That's a good point
So that we have a world class fullback again.
Red Arremer
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I've watched a broadcast of the Constitutional Court, who has explained in detail as to why they made this decision, and in particular the decision to repeat the election in the entire country. In short:
- It is possible to submit the postal vote not only by mail, but also by handing the postal vote to an electoral authority before a certain date. This office does not have to be in the particular constituency you are from (so if you are, say, from Vienna, you can submit your postal vote to the electoral office in Graz). To avoid people voting twice, they cannot repeat only with votes from the affected constituencies.
- Apparently, there was an unofficial flow of information from the electoral office towards the media that gave out information of the current standings of the elections. The court decided that theoretically, this could have had influence on the outcome of the vote, and thus is part of the reason as to why the election has to repeated everywhere.
- It is possible to submit the postal vote not only by mail, but also by handing the postal vote to an electoral authority before a certain date. This office does not have to be in the particular constituency you are from (so if you are, say, from Vienna, you can submit your postal vote to the electoral office in Graz). To avoid people voting twice, they cannot repeat only with votes from the affected constituencies.
- Apparently, there was an unofficial flow of information from the electoral office towards the media that gave out information of the current standings of the elections. The court decided that theoretically, this could have had influence on the outcome of the vote, and thus is part of the reason as to why the election has to repeated everywhere.
Lilalaunebaer
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Ugh, scheißdreck.
Here we go again.
Here we go again.
UnluckyKate
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Everything ended up fine last time for right rose to power in Austria
Not happy about having to do this again, but jetzt erst recht!
Or to finally get points in Eurovision again
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Some Germans may want that, but let's just wait until our Nazis from the AfD also enter the parliament and become third or second strongest party.
If there is no doubt about the correctness of the result though, they should just have instated consequences for the decision makers of the breaking of the regularities instead. Having a whole re-election is costly (independent of the risk that a nationalist scumbag may become president).
Red Arremer
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Y-yeah, just fine... just massive blows to welfare, healthcare and education. Just the biggest financial crisis in the entire history of the republic that was pretty much directly caused by the far right.
Please don't tell me you're making a reference to the Anschluss. Please.
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